Guest UPTITE U250A Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 The two syllable pronunciation was exactly what I was trying to get across… See-mon. Simone is also two syllables, hence my point! That's not what you said in your posting.... The "e" at the end depicting feminin is pronounced ....
Bo Diddley Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 I'm sure it must just be me, but every time I return to this thread, this image keeps springing to mind.... https://youtu.be/c3BGWJ8s82Y 3
macca Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 The two syllable pronunciation was exactly what I was trying to get across… See-mon. Simone is also two syllables, hence my point! Think he was on about stress but got waylaid by all the buckin' venom. In Spanish it's Simón, the stress falls on the second syllable as indicated by the accent absent from the French version. File under bollocks. 2
macca Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 That's not what you said in your posting.... The "e" at the end depicting feminin is pronounced .... As in Simone de Beauvoir? She was a rum 'un...
Amsterdam Russ Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 That's not what you said in your posting.... The "e" at the end depicting feminin is pronounced .... Don Cornelius used two syllables in his dodgy pronunciation and he was definitely trying to say it en français in my book. My comment was based on that. Let's move on to something a bit more interesting such as Soussan's second coming… What do you know? 1
spot Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Nonsense I have met plenty of northern / midland folk who were well into it in the 70s, then left it completely….."Oh yeh when I was young I loved NS, went to Wigan, got the sounds bla bla…..then I stopped going in 1976…". These days they're squabbling over tickets to see Cliff Richard at Wembley. I know what you mean Steve but lets not forget, 2 million people reckon they went/ were members of Wigan Casino but I think some might be fibbing. Spot. 2
spot Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 I have to give him credit for this though. Locating a Lovin' Spoonful instrumental track on an obscure album and re-christening it as the Golden World Strings takes some bottle........ "Supertime" - The Golden World Strings Ian D Ian do you mean Total Eclipse - 6 O'Clock? 1
Popular Post Steve G Posted April 23, 2015 Popular Post Posted April 23, 2015 He was/is a very charesmatic person and exceptionally music talented. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjgb5WkS4u0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX_GfElOIBw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsUBKPff5ls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQuL7fuUQcQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz8AvWbAjco 4
Popular Post El Corol Posted April 23, 2015 Popular Post Posted April 23, 2015 Did you really need to use five examples, Steve? On my way to A&E now because my ears won't stop bleeding! 4
Pete S Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Did you really need to use five examples, Steve? On my way to A&E now because my ears won't stop bleeding! That last one - can't think why anyone would even make a record that bad let alone listen to it
Ric-tic Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 That last one - can't think why anyone would even make a record that bad let alone listen to it Sounds like an act from working mans club in Hull
Mellorful Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjgb5WkS4u0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX_GfElOIBw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsUBKPff5ls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQuL7fuUQcQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz8AvWbAjco Think you just proved SS had a sadist streak in addition to his other flaws. 1
Popular Post MrsWoodsrules Posted April 23, 2015 Popular Post Posted April 23, 2015 We all like a loveable rogue, unless they are ripping you off personally. Only problem I've got with SS is that he drove standards down in my time at WC. Experimenting with non soul with Russ as his puppet. Not the biggest problem in the world as most people knew that the soul didn't start till Russ got off the stage and he had zero kudos anyway. I'm talking about my time, 79 onwards really. Things may have been different earlier I'm sure. 1 3
Paul R Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 The worst thing he did was come up with those awful synthesizer instrumentals, and tailor mades. I've mentioned it before in another thread that I was in Russ's shop in Wigan when Soussan was over, and he was in there spinning his new stuff on the shop decks. I was looking though the record stock(Russ did sell loads of originals in the shop. Soussan put on his Thumb a ride version. You should have seen the hurt look in his face when I said "what the f*ck is this sh*t, get it off for gods sake" I thought he was going to burst into tears. I also remember Richard telling me about this brilliant new version of Bob Relf "Blowing My Mind To Pieces" that he had. of course it was the SS sh*te!Paul 3
Guest JIM BARRY Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Orthodox Jew! Could be a case of ss joins ss to talk about ss
macca Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Orthodox Jew! Could be a case of ss joins ss to talk about ss Don't think orthodoxy has actually been confirmed so far. From being secular, there are all sorts of directions he could have gone in. He could have turned to liberal progressive or reformed Judaism. He'll probably be mystified as to why people's interest in this question goes beyond his relatively brief though controversial tenure on the NSS.
Woodbutcher Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I don't understand the continued pointless speculation in this thread , or even the thread itself ... So Ian Levine and Kev Roberts are "allegedly" back in contact with Soussan , neither of them are going to offer up a phone number , e-mail address or any other details regarding his whereabouts so why does everyone keep on about him ... ? SS himself is hardly going to just sign up on here to answer all your 'polite' questions either is he ... ? Best you can hope for is an autobiography , to be published in the not too distant future , no doubt available exclusively through Goldsoul ... 1
Goldsoul Posted April 25, 2015 Author Posted April 25, 2015 I don't understand the continued pointless speculation in this thread , or even the thread itself ... So Ian Levine and Kev Roberts are "allegedly" back in contact with Soussan , neither of them are going to offer up a phone number , e-mail address or any other details regarding his whereabouts so why does everyone keep on about him ... ? SS himself is hardly going to just sign up on here to answer all your 'polite' questions either is he ... ? Best you can hope for is an autobiography , to be published in the not too distant future , no doubt available exclusively through Goldsoul ... No interest in any book or financial gain from Soussan whatsoever. Goldsoul are in the events business and no other. You are correct that his personal details are not going to be shared because that's his wish. As for the 'allegedly' remark, what do Ian Levine and I have to gain? If interest wains on this important character of the 70's via this this platform I will happily lock the thread. Fair enough? 1
Woodbutcher Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 So why start the thread in the first place Kev , it just comes across as a carrot dangling exercise that will never offer up anything more than a teaser ... ? Goldsoul are in the events business and no other. You appear to have ten pages of books for sale ... ?
Popular Post Steve L Posted April 25, 2015 Popular Post Posted April 25, 2015 So why start the thread in the first place Kev , it just comes across as a carrot dangling exercise that will never offer up anything more than a teaser ... ? A lot of people obviously think its an interesting subject (me included) All part of the scene's history 4
Goldsoul Posted April 25, 2015 Author Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) So why start the thread in the first place Kev , it just comes across as a carrot dangling exercise that will never offer up anything more than a teaser ... ? You appear to have ten pages of books for sale ... ? 1. I felt it was of interest to anyone even loosely connected with the scene. Let's see who wants the thread locked and leave it that. OK 2. Amazon have 10 pages of books and more on our site..NOT US! They are one of our affiliates. Edited April 25, 2015 by The Golden 101
Popular Post Kegsy Posted April 25, 2015 Popular Post Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) No interest in any book or financial gain from Soussan whatsoever. Goldsoul are in the events business and no other. You are correct that his personal details are not going to be shared because that's his wish. As for the 'allegedly' remark, what do Ian Levine and I have to gain? If interest wains on this important character of the 70's via this this platform I will happily lock the thread. Fair enough? Its not immediately obvious what you have to gain, but I'm sure you'll find a way, you usually do, that's if, Soussan doesn't rip you off in the process. . Edited April 25, 2015 by Kegsy 4
Tony A Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Why all the negativity ??? the scene never used to be like this. carry on doing what you're doing Kev. 2
Woodbutcher Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 A lot of people obviously think its an interesting subject (me included) All part of the scene's history Fair enough , but there's a long running thread on the subject so why the need for another running concurrently ... ?
Goldsoul Posted April 25, 2015 Author Posted April 25, 2015 Fair enough , but there's a long running thread on the subject so why the need for another running concurrently ... ? Its not immediately obvious what you have to gain, but I'm sure you'll find a way, you usually do, that's if, Soussan doesn't rip you off in the process. . There's nothing to gain! Ian found him and has he's banned from this site he asked me to post up the interesting news. Would we not be interested in say Jeff King coming on and saying 'Anyone interested in discussing the Soul Sounds label or The Yorkshire Ripper speaks from his jail cell about his love of Northern Soul ?
Goldsoul Posted April 25, 2015 Author Posted April 25, 2015 Fair enough , but there's a long running thread on the subject so why the need for another running concurrently ... ? If Mike wishes to merge it......no problem with me. As for your cynism towards the topic....look away and chat on other threads.
Drew3 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Its not immediately obvious what you have to gain, but I'm sure you'll find a way, you usually do, that's if, Soussan doesn't rip you off in the process. . Is there really any need for this sort of statement! Regards. Drew. 3
Kegsy Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 There's nothing to gain! Ian found him and has he's banned from this site he asked me to post up the interesting news. Would we not be interested in say Jeff King coming on and saying 'Anyone interested in discussing the Soul Sounds label or The Yorkshire Ripper speaks from his jail cell about his love of Northern Soul ? Not a bad combination, when talking about Mr Soussan
Kegsy Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Its not immediately obvious what you have to gain, but I'm sure you'll find a way, you usually do, that's if, Soussan doesn't rip you off in the process. . Is there really any need for this sort of statement! Regards. Drew. Its called humour my dear fellow. 1
Woodbutcher Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 If Mike wishes to merge it......no problem with me. As for your cynism towards the topic....look away and chat on other threads. I'm as interested in the topic as anyone on the scene , just couldn't see the point in two running together , as for cynicism and looking elsewhere ... I found something to be cynical about , live with it ...
Goldsoul Posted April 25, 2015 Author Posted April 25, 2015 I'm as interested in the topic as anyone on the scene , just couldn't see the point in two running together , as for cynicism and looking elsewhere ... I found something to be cynical about , live with it ... Well then stop making silly statements without any facts to back them up. End of.
Davetay Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Serenade was essentially an instrumental version of the Electric Prunes - I Had Too Much To Dream Last Night. Don't click the link if you're not a fan of 60s garage/psych About 40 or so years late, is better then never finding out what it really is. 2
Popular Post Steve G Posted April 25, 2015 Popular Post Posted April 25, 2015 Books? I've got an idea. Why doesn't someone sit down with Soussan then and ghost write his story. It shouldn't take too long with a bit of effort and a few cups of tea and cake and it could be self published on Amazon. Someone like Ian Dewhirst who has an affinity with the man or even Ian L could do it? To me that would be better than snippets of unreliable information coming out. But it would still come with a massive health warning. We've seen how good some DJs memories are of events 40 years ago (no drug convictions at Wigan / 4m etc). 4
Goldsoul Posted April 25, 2015 Author Posted April 25, 2015 Books? I've got an idea. Why doesn't someone sit down with Soussan then and ghost write his story. It shouldn't take too long with a bit of effort and a few cups of tea and cake and it could be self published on Amazon. Someone like Ian Dewhirst who has an affinity with the man or even Ian L could do it? To me that would be better than snippets of unreliable information coming out. But it would still come with a massive health warning. We've seen how good some DJs memories are of events 40 years ago (no drug convictions at Wigan / 4m etc). Absolutely Steve. Ian D is the right man for this gig. It also gives me an opportunity to share a few Soussan rib ticklers with him 3
Ian Parker Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 SS was a little before my time (pretty much), but I think a lot of us would like to have a little 'catch up' with the guy, even if it is via this site or another. A few paragraphs would be fine, great reading im sure
spot Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjgb5WkS4u0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX_GfElOIBw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsUBKPff5ls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQuL7fuUQcQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz8AvWbA Now I remember why we stopped going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch, Mummy it hurts. 2
Popular Post spot Posted April 25, 2015 Popular Post Posted April 25, 2015 We all like a loveable rogue, unless they are ripping you off personally. Only problem I've got with SS is that he drove standards down in my time at WC. Experimenting with non soul with Russ as his puppet. Not the biggest problem in the world as most people knew that the soul didn't start till Russ got off the stage and he had zero kudos anyway. I'm talking about my time, 79 onwards really. Things may have been different earlier I'm sure. Not to different, after the Camera's arrived that's when the decline started, Pye saw an opportunity as did SS before them and after, it was business and RW played along, up until then it was brilliant and electric and I relish those days but it was the Mecca, Cleethorpes, St. Ives and places like Unity Hall that kept us interested not Joe 90 or Men from Uncle. Spot. 7
macca Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Pye International Disco Demand was well before This England, was it not? 1974 in my mind's eye. We were delivered Solid Soul Sensations from IL that same year, so it wasn't all shite by any means. From Human Jungle to Patti Jo. TSWONS. 2
Guest JIM BARRY Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I for one would love to read anything Simon or Jeff king had to say about the golden age of northern soul
spot Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Pye International Disco Demand was well before This England, was it not? 1974 in my mind's eye. We were delivered Solid Soul Sensations from IL that same year, so it wasn't all shite by any means. From Human Jungle to Patti Jo. TSWONS. Bloody hell Macca was they that far apart? Seems like I missed some of the 70's altogether then. I've checked Pye was 74 and This England 77 but you know what I mean, I think? It was mainly business for the main protagonists and there were still lots of decent music played but more and more dross, although at the time I'm sure due to other influences it all seemed good, hindsight's a wonderful thing, as they say. Spot. 2
Markw Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 You are incorrect.Simon is pronounced in French as Si mon,there are 2 syllables. More news about him will break soon.Pics are also circulating too. He was/is a very charesmatic person and exceptionally music talented.His knowledge of NS was immense.His involvment and record hunting "adventures" would make stupifying reading today,but relating that fascinating past,would serve no purpose.Better that for himself,his own interest,he not participate on Soul Source and let NS history rest as it is.The outpouring of NS venom would not contrinute to anything now.Perhaps KR or someone else can 3rd party relate some interesting stories from time to time... If you don't mind me saying, you seem to have more than a passing admiration for this fellow, know quite a bit about his current circumstances and to speak for him? 1
Amsterdam Russ Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 If you don't mind me saying, you seem to have more than a passing admiration for this fellow, know quite a bit about his current circumstances and to speak for him? I did ask if Monsieur Uptite, who's knowledgable about the French language, if he might fill us in with some more information since he's clearly in the know… 1
Lionelonthevinyl Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I for one would love to read anything Simon or Jeff king had to say about the golden age of northern soul I agree totally...I would love to read what he has to say....yes definitely been a shit bag to some....but it's without doubt a massive part of Northern soul history....if you read the history of our royal family, it's not the most savoury thing you will ever look at, and there the head of the bloody country!!...thank you..Rob
Ian Dewhirst Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Soussan obviously had an uncanny ability to win a person's confidence ... even that of Soul Train's Don Cornelius who deemed Soussan important enough to interview him on stage following Arpeggio's performance on Soul Train on 17 March 1979. The first night I got to L.A., I was immediately dragged out by Soussan and taken to a club called the Candy Box. I was wearing baggy trousers and kickers, felt totally out of place and was jet-lagged. The first person we bumped into was Don Cornelius and him and Soussan hugged and then I got introduced. Simon did move in those circles and knew most of the West Coast labels and musicians. I met up with him the next day and we bumped into Solomon Burke in a lift! Soussan recognised everyone and had as good a memory for faces as he did record labels and once he recognised someone, he could talk 'em to death on their history. I think he already had a bad reputation among the local dealers, many of whom wouldn't deal with him but he always got on well with musicians and music people. With Shalamar, I almost had a deal with Motown with Tom DePeiro championing "Uptown Festival" but Susanne DePasse thought it would piss some of the acts off hearing their hits recycled, so she quite rightly passed on the track. I introduced Soussan to Tom DePeiro which led to him getting access to the library and his hands on Frank Wilson. After Motown passed, Don Cornelius stepped in and took "Uptown Festival" as a favour to Soussan, Neil Rushton and myself I guess. I don't think anybody thought it would sell a million except me lol. Don then folded Soul Train and set up Solar with the proceeds. There was a lot of money sloshing around the L.A. music biz at that time and those were the circles that Soussan was moving within. He already knew everyone that was involved in the Shalamar recording including Jack Ashford, James Jamerson, Eddie 'Bongo' Brown, Don Hockett, Ike Turner and so on. He seemed to know everyone. Ian D Edited April 25, 2015 by Ian Dewhirst 1
Guest Noggin Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Born again Christian and an Orthodox Jew? Bootleg Christian?[/quote Is it even possible to be a born again Jew?
Tobytyke Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 has anyone mentioned the ads for the blackpool mecca that were printed in blues and soul in which they apologised for not being able to list the records they were playing because of some contemptable underhand french individual from california who as soon as he found out the title pressed them up in large quantities and flooded the market with them. they went on to describe him as an evil person. Any relation?
Guest MBarrett Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 but Susanne DePasse thought it would piss some of the acts off hearing their hits recycled, so she quite rightly passed on the track. After Motown passed, Don Cornelius stepped in and took "Uptown Festival" Ian Just trying to understand how all this stuff works. If Motown didn't want to annoy the artists - then why would they then licence the tracks to Don Cornelius for him to release. Or am I missing something.
Ian Dewhirst Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Ian Just trying to understand how all this stuff works. If Motown didn't want to annoy the artists - then why would they then licence the tracks to Don Cornelius for him to release. Or am I missing something. You're missing something. "Uptown Festival" was re-produced medley of the Motown hits, so we didn't need to licence anything, we merely re-recorded parts of Motown tunes and fixed 'em into a medley and put new singers on top. Actually just about everyone at Motown liked it but Suzanne could see potential ructions from some of the acts - probably Diana Ross in particular, so they passed for that reason apparently. Ar least Soussan got something out of em - a Frank Wilson original! Ian D
Rhino Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) No interest in any book or financial gain from Soussan whatsoever. Goldsoul are in the events business and no other. You are correct that his personal details are not going to be shared because that's his wish. As for the 'allegedly' remark, what do Ian Levine and I have to gain? If interest wains on this important character of the 70's via this this platform I will happily lock the thread. Fair enough? " If interest wins on this important character of the 70's via this this platform I will happily lock the thread. Fair enough?" you say he is an important character but the only thing that motivated him was making money.weather it be northern to disco yes lots of great records then bootlegs he had no love for the scene or the people on it . so thats what it takes to be an important character hope he stays away in my opinion. close it keep it going kevin its your choice Edited April 25, 2015 by rhino 1
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