Betty Swanne C/u For Sale £2,250

[Jim G]

Intrigued, £2,250 for a record that you won't know who it is until after you buy it. The person selling it wants to keep its identity a secret!

 

I have never liked cover ups for reasons stated in previous posts and this record just adds to my hate for them. reveal the soddin title FFS! 

 

https://www.rarenorthernsoul.com

[Chalky]

I know who it is and I can assure you it is rare.  Andy Dyson discovered it, at least he was the first to play it, then Butch who I think got his copy from Andy.  Don't know who Lee/Steve are selling this one for or if they got it from Andy? 

[Constellation161]

Nice tune, £2000 + not sure about that though.

   Mick Perrins.

[Pat]

Nice Track, but there are others I would buy first!!

[ockers]

Pathetic to cover up a record

£2250 for this is a joke

Average sounding record nothing immediate nothing memorable

Sounds like an album filler

Just because its rare doesnt mean its any good

[Nsg]

Pathetic to cover up a record

£2250 for this is a joke

Average sounding record nothing immediate nothing memorable

Sounds like an album filler

Just because its rare doesnt mean its any good

 

Very true indeed, although its probably NOT a joke for the person trying to off load it as potentially it may be discovered on its true label now or in the future in hand fulls as most are .........

[Steve G]

It is known, as one or two have played it uncovered. I got mine from Butch and it's still covered. Goes down well, played it at Filthy last night. It's not an average album filler either…. It might be Sams copy for sale.

Edited April 6, 2015 by Steve G

[Godzilla]

Makes me want to play a game of "who would I cover this up as?" aka "It sounds a lot more more like ??? than it does Bettye Swann" (as her name is actually spelled...).

[Chalky]

Makes me want to play a game of "who would I cover this up as?" aka "It sounds a lot more more like ??? than it does Bettye Swann" (as her name is actually spelled...).

 

Butch covered it as Bettye Swann, Andy had it covered as Lorraine Rudolph I think.

[Godzilla]

Butch covered it as Bettye Swann, Andy had it covered as Lorraine Rudolph I think.

 

I'd have maybe gone for Deana Lucas...

.. although in my defence I'm quite hung over and didn't genuinely expect anyone else to join in my imaginary game hehehe

[Jim G]

Very true indeed, although its probably NOT a joke for the person trying to off load it as potentially it may be discovered on its true label now or in the future in hand fulls as most are .........

 

So, cover it up, sell for £2K, even though it might be rare. It gets 'uncovered' then someone finds a few cos we all know what it is price drops, buyer peed off. I am all for market supply/ demand etc. But this reeks of deceit to me. (if that offends anyone, then so be it, I am just stating my opinion!)

 

We are not 17 anymore FFS.

[Chalky]

So, cover it up, sell for £2K, even though it might be rare. It gets 'uncovered' then someone finds a few cos we all know what it is price drops, buyer peed off. I am all for market supply/ demand etc. But this reeks of deceit to me. (if that offends anyone, then so be it, I am just stating my opinion!)

 

We are not 17 anymore FFS.

 

Some serious record finders know what it is and it has not turned up.  As for the practice of covering up been debated loads of times so no point adding to it.  As for selling it covered up couldn't give a toss either way, out of my price range anyway, between the buyer and the seller at the end of the day, same as anything so I keep getting told.

[Dobber]

same seller thinks the headlines-looking for a love is a 600 quid tune,so what does that tell ya! 250 on a very good day!

that c/u wants chopping in half...the price i mean..haha

[Dobber]

just listened to the c/u,it just soinds like a b side on a early 70's stax/atlantic record...not memorable by any stretch!

[Chalky]

same seller thinks the headlines-looking for a love is a 600 quid tune,so what does that tell ya! 250 on a very good day!

that c/u wants chopping in half...the price i mean..haha

 

Many think he is over priced, if they are they won't sell simple as that.

[Labeat]

So, cover it up, sell for £2K, even though it might be rare. It gets 'uncovered' then someone finds a few cos we all know what it is price drops, buyer peed off. I am all for market supply/ demand etc. But this reeks of deceit to me. (if that offends anyone, then so be it, I am just stating my opinion!)

 

We are not 17 anymore FFS.

Jim, The cats out of the bag.... post 7, Steve G.... Quote- "one or two have played it uncovered"

Walls have ears, talk of the grapevine.... word travels fast on this scene mate 

[Jim G]

It is known, as one or two have played it uncovered.

 

So what is it and who by? !

[Northern Soul Uk]

Edited April 6, 2015 by Northern Soul UK

[Labeat]

So what is it and who by? !

You'll have to join the cloak&dagger club first Jim

Or maybe the Freemasons... coded handshakes n'all that

Edited April 7, 2015 by Labeat

[Guest Ivor Jones]

So what is it and who by? !

 

 

Doesn't sound anything like Bettye Swann to me, her voice is so distinctive isn't it. This track sounds more like Shirley Johnson "Too Big To Cry" on Lashawn

[25miles]

Some serious record finders know what it is and it has not turned up.  As for the practice of covering up been debated loads of times so no point adding to it.  As for selling it covered up couldn't give a toss either way, out of my price range anyway, between the buyer and the seller at the end of the day, same as anything so I keep getting told.

YES CHALKY..............WE'LL NEVER BE THIS YOUNG AGAIN !!

[Labeat]

So thats it then, you are either getting a record played by serious soul dj's Butch, Sam and Andy D (who know their stuff)

or an "Unmemorable" 70's Stax B side.... as quoted on here; ooh eck', what a dilema 

[KevH]

Sorry...not for me....

[Guest]

Average "Wash and Wear Love" type sound.

[Steve G]

The critics can say what they like, it always gets people up and dancing.

Edited April 7, 2015 by Steve G

[ockers]

Steve

I wasnt being critical of the record

I was critical of the nonsensical use of covering up artists identities and promoting egos

There are no serious djs there are serious collectors who can throw a tune on in my view

Djs are for the dance scene

Its a contradiction in terms a collector finding a great record acknowledging it and then covering it up is disrespectful to that artist

This record imho is nice but not something id pay £2200 mel britt on the other hand well maybe

[Guest]

I`ll sell you a Mel Britt for £2`200 

[Labeat]

Steve

I wasnt being critical of the record

I was critical of the nonsensical use of covering up artists identities and promoting egos

There are no serious djs there are serious collectors who can throw a tune on in my view

Djs are for the dance scene

Its a contradiction in terms a collector finding a great record acknowledging it and then covering it up is disrespectful to that artist

This record imho is nice but not something id pay £2200 mel britt on the other hand well maybe

Sorry Ockers, not being personal but it's you being contradictory, in your post 5.... "average sounding, nothing

memorable, album filler"??? now it's "nice"?

[ockers]

Hi labeat

No i want being horrid about the record its pleasant but not worth £2200

And steve ha ha i think i saw one for sale yesterday £1250

Out of my league lol

[Labeat]

Hi labeat

No i want being horrid about the record its pleasant but not worth £2200

And steve ha ha i think i saw one for sale yesterday £1250

Out of my league lol

Right, i will let you off because you seem a nice bloke

Incidentally, these figures i keep seeing... are they the contact phone numbers

[ockers]

Cryptic telephone numbers lol

Could be.....ha ha

I do find it interesting how people set prices for records like these and expect someone to buy it at that price without knowing if its truly rare or not

Another reason why egos should stop doing this practice

[Chalky]

Hi labeat

No i want being horrid about the record its pleasant but not worth £2200

And steve ha ha i think i saw one for sale yesterday £1250

Out of my league lol

I, you or any seasoned collector only have to see whose site it is listed on to begin questoning the value.  Many items he lists are considered overpriced by the majority.  As said he will either sell it or not.

 

I'm not sure what it is worth or what the few copies in circulation have sold for, maybe Steve will tell you but I do know it is rare.  Will it turn up, who knows that is the risk any one takes when buying expensive or indemand records.

[Steve G]

I agree this copy looks over priced compared to what the rest of us have paid for our copies….but who knows it may be more in demand now than it was back then. It's certainly been getting plays from a number of us, and it's much rarer than comparable northern oldies that go for this sort of sum. No copies on popsike etc. and only one internet playlist mention….But once all the "diggers" and groundhogs start putting it on their wants lists, I am sure a few copies will come out of the woodwork from somewhere. They usually do.

 

Obviously some people still don't get how difficult it is to find genuinely unknown records and break them.  Just maybe then they should stick to "discovering" underplayed Luther Vandross and Teddy Pendergrass tracks. I am sure they'll find some if they look…..  

Edited April 7, 2015 by Steve G

[Eddie Hubbard]

So is it Shirley Johnson " Too big to cry " then ?

[Simon T]

Is the other take much different?

[Quinvy]

It's a sad state of affairs that we have come to this and Sir Joe etc as the best new discoveries. 

 

Time me to call it a day?

[Eddie Hubbard]

I think they are both really good ....

[Pete S]

It's a sad state of affairs that we have come to this and Sir Joe etc as the best new discoveries. 

 

Time me to call it a day?

 

For £2500 I'd want a 'new discovery' of the quality of Cecil Washington not some drab 70's plodder

[Soulcarp]

If you read is sales pitch he's kept it cover on the request of the person who discover it so is it Andy???

[Simon T]

For £2500 I'd want a 'new discovery' of the quality of Cecil Washington not some drab 70's plodder

I hope you'd change the name of the mp3 to the c/u name before posting it up on your site

[Pete S]

I hope you'd change the name of the mp3 to the c/u name before posting it up on your site

 

Well done my son, well done...

[ockers]

"Obviously some people still don't get how difficult it is to find genuinely unknown records and break them. Just maybe then they should stick to "discovering" underplayed Luther Vandross and Teddy Pendergrass tracks. I am sure they'll find some if they look….. " a quote from steve G

I find this consescending and patronising

Collectors collect not to impress by discovering unknown tracks thats just good luck if they do but to find sounds they like irrespective of value

Soul junction records do a great job by making unknown tracks available to us all with some fab tracks from oliver cheatham elbowed out and bill spoon to name but a few and not withold so as a few egos can impress by putting wallpaper in records to disguise them thank you dave and john

I can think of many TP and Vandross records better than this "unknown"

Some people need to see that

[Labeat]

Good morning Ockers.

I for one am not smart enough to "cover-up" discs as some wise lads would recognize the said tune,

but i do understand the reasoning of this in that if all was revealed then other DJ's would be on a

mission to track them down and therefore they all have similar sets to play.... nothing exclusive.

I like to hear when out stand out tracks that only one or two DJ's have and not so much run-of-the-mill

overexposed usuals. Whether we like it or not cover-ups are part and parcel of the Soul scene. 

[Steve G]

Totally agree - unbelievably patronising and an attitude that put's newer converts off going to venues .

 

What a ridiculous conclusion. Plenty of youngsters are red hot on their vinyl searching. 

[ockers]

Good morning labeat

Its funny but some of the best sets ive heard mix up their sounds to create a good vibe on the night

Its in the grooves that counts

Best £3 i spent about 6/7 years ago maxine weldon i want sunday back again 45 from manship

Cover ups are ludicrous and unnecessary

Its intention was always "ive got something you havent" and some people just need to grow up

Nothing aimed at you sir......

[ockers]

And on the subject of sets i remember one of soul sams sets at the orwell years ago playing natural impulse and lou rawls youll never find back to back filled the dancefloor!!

[Steve G]

"Obviously some people still don't get how difficult it is to find genuinely unknown records and break them. Just maybe then they should stick to "discovering" underplayed Luther Vandross and Teddy Pendergrass tracks. I am sure they'll find some if they look….. " a quote from steve G

I find this consescending and patronising

Collectors collect not to impress by discovering unknown tracks thats just good luck if they do but to find sounds they like irrespective of value

Soul junction records do a great job by making unknown tracks available to us all with some fab tracks from oliver cheatham elbowed out and bill spoon to name but a few and not withold so as a few egos can impress by putting wallpaper in records to disguise them thank you dave and john

I can think of many TP and Vandross records better than this "unknown"

Some people need to see that

 

Good it was meant to get your attention. Find this constant "holier than thou" approach somewhat tedious to say the least. Soul Junction do indeed do a great job, but the scene cannot rely on the small quantity that SJ put out. I know Anthem fests are very popular but some people still want to hear something refreshing and new. 

[ockers]

Steve

Youre right people di want to hear fresh sounds whether 2015 releases and i enjoy listening to mark merry mick odonnell and yourself for pushing new sounds

Theres a wealth of sounds to hear

I dont like to hear anthem fests but i like to hear well thought out sets with old new and the familiar

I just hate the idea of covering up artists records and some djs used to do this to new records generally those djs who progressed from the northern scene bringing this practice with them

Check out issue 14 voices we went through this back then!!!!

[Labeat]

One example of a cover-up that is now exposed would be Johnny Praye "Can't get too much love"

This tune now seems to have died a death, i never hear this on the circuit, was it a case of here

today gone tomorrow?

[Chalky]

One example of a cover-up that is now exposed would be Johnny Praye "Can't get too much love"

This tune now seems to have died a death, i never hear this on the circuit, was it a case of here

today gone tomorrow?

 

Hardly here today gone tomorrow, it's been played since the early 90's by Butch.