Original Vinyl Only Ovo

[Stanley]

One of the ironies of OVO is OVO seems to be aimed at rare soul records. We all know there many many great records sub £20 that rarely get played out because people want to hear rare stuff or the top 500. I offer no judgement on this, but it is getting harder and harder to find the top 500 and / or rare as hell stuff in any condition, which ultimately means fewer venues can claim to be playing OVO or the really rare stuff. This in turn will lead to reducing numbers at venues etc. and then fade out...

 

So we have a situation whereby only those with very deep pockets will be able to satisfy the OVO criteria unless punters open their ears to great records that don't cost a small fortune, even for those oldies that don't get played today. Original vinyl is a diminishing resource, in twenty years time anyone that went to the Wheel will most likely be dead or in the their twilight years, I will be nearly 80, meaning our collections risk being cast aside, or worse reduced to being worthless. So, the elitism of OVO will either be continued by today's youth, or simply remembered as "remember the days when we had to play Original Vinyl?!" I suspect it will be the latter.

 

Most People who listen to and play music from the 1920's and 30's don't own 78's, it doesn't diminish their passion and love from that time, they simply listen to it on a current format. Indeed one of my favourite tunes is from 1890, what is the OVO for that? 

 

My point, enjoy the music, if you can experience it on original vinyl then great, or if not, it is your choice. 

i think the main points are ,if you don,t have the original vinyl to play at a venue,don,t charge entry.trouble is now everyones a dj ,with abootleg box full for £100.and he thinks he,s the cats whiskers.decides to put on a night and charge at the door and then slag off genuine people/collectors/dj,s  who don,t attend them.

[KevH]

One of the ironies of OVO is OVO seems to be aimed at rare soul records. We all know there many many great records sub £20 that rarely get played out because people want to hear rare stuff or the top 500. I offer no judgement on this, but it is getting harder and harder to find the top 500 and / or rare as hell stuff in any condition, which ultimately means fewer venues can claim to be playing OVO or the really rare stuff. This in turn will lead to reducing numbers at venues etc. and then fade out...

 

So we have a situation whereby only those with very deep pockets will be able to satisfy the OVO criteria unless punters open their ears to great records that don't cost a small fortune, even for those oldies that don't get played today. Original vinyl is a diminishing resource, in twenty years time anyone that went to the Wheel will most likely be dead or in the their twilight years, I will be nearly 80, meaning our collections risk being cast aside, or worse reduced to being worthless. So, the elitism of OVO will either be continued by today's youth, or simply remembered as "remember the days when we had to play Original Vinyl?!" I suspect it will be the latter.

 

Most People who listen to and play music from the 1920's and 30's don't own 78's, it doesn't diminish their passion and love from that time, they simply listen to it on a current format. Indeed one of my favourite tunes is from 1890, what is the OVO for that? 

 

My point, enjoy the music, if you can experience it on original vinyl then great, or if not, it is your choice. 

 

There are lots of ovo records at cheap prices.Problem with mentioning ovo is that many think "expensive". It doesn't have to be the case.Rare records are a different beast altogether.

Top 500 tunes are becoming harder to come across,collectors and dj's hanging onto them,but to be honest many of them wouldn't float my boat now.Right place right time i guess.

Loads of great tunes out there,enjoy them.!

[John Reed]

Like many others I have some “expensive” records that I don’t want damaged.  So when DJing, would it be acceptable to display the record on something like this.

 

 

And then play the tune from a CD/mp3?

Edited March 27, 2015 by John Reed

[viphitman]

Well I guess at the Tate or the Louvre they are a little mad as well for displaying the original artworks. It might have been a tradition to do so for many years for various inexplicable reasons to display original artworks at most galleries but surely all people involved must suffer from arthritis. I am sure most punters don’t care if they see the real deal or just a copy. I am currently running a free art gallery in Hamburg where you can admire copies of some fab paintings and nobody ever complained. People just enjoy being there, socialising and looking at the artworks. Anyway, they must be mad to display all those expensive paintings as I am sure that’s not going to help to keep them in pristine condition. I have been once to the Louvre and it was full of art critics and collectors. Most galleries are just full of really expensive stuff. It’s just about the money not the artistic value. I am sick and tired of looking at the Mona Lisa but I got a great response when I displayed a copy of Impression Sunrise at my gallery. Down the road, they display original art works by many different artists. Some of them I’ve never heard off and are pretty cheap to get hold off but I just stick with the classics.

Edited March 27, 2015 by viphitman

[sir cumference]

Like many others I have some “expensive” records that I don’t want damaged.  So when DJing, would it be acceptable to display the record on something like this.

 

 

And then play the tune from a CD/mp3?

Only so long as you don`t expect a joiner to make you the easel for free!

[KevH]

Well I guess at the Tate or the Louvre they are a little mad as well for displaying the original artworks. It might have been a tradition to do so for many years for various inexplicable reasons to display original artworks at most galleries but surely all people involved must suffer from arthritis. I am sure most punters don’t care if they see the real deal or just a copy. I am currently running a free art gallery in Hamburg where you can admire some fab paintings and nobody ever complained. People just enjoy being there, socialising and looking at the artworks. Anyway, they must be mad to display all those expensive paintings as I am sure that’s not going to help to keep them in pristine condition. I have been once to the Louvre and it was full of art critics and collectors. Most galleries are just full of really expensive stuff. It’s just about the money not the artistic value. I am sick and tired of looking at the Mona Lisa but I got a great response when I displayed a copy of Impression Sunrise at my gallery. Down the road, they display original art works by many different artists. Some of them I’ve never heard off and are pretty cheap to get hold off but I just stick with the classics.

 

Ive been to the Louvre several times.It was full of tourists and art lovers,who appreciate art.As for "really expensive stuff",alot of the works are priceless.

I suppose if you don't appreciate the art,don't go.Bit like ovo nights/nighters.

The only dissapointment around the Mona Lisa is the size.

Sorry for off topic.

[Alan Bonthrone1]

Would the easel have to be wood or is laminate acceptable ?

[Peter Richer]

Well I guess at the Tate or the Louvre they are a little mad as well for displaying the original artworks. It might have been a tradition to do so for many years for various inexplicable reasons to display original artworks at most galleries but surely all people involved must suffer from arthritis. I am sure most punters don’t care if they see the real deal or just a copy. I am currently running a free art gallery in Hamburg where you can admire some fab paintings and nobody ever complained. People just enjoy being there, socialising and looking at the artworks. Anyway, they must be mad to display all those expensive paintings as I am sure that’s not going to help to keep them in pristine condition. I have been once to the Louvre and it was full of art critics and collectors. Most galleries are just full of really expensive stuff. It’s just about the money not the artistic value. I am sick and tired of looking at the Mona Lisa but I got a great response when I displayed a copy of Impression Sunrise at my gallery. Down the road, they display original art works by many different artists. Some of them I’ve never heard off and are pretty cheap to get hold off but I just stick with the classics.

 

Beautifully put. With sarcasm and irony in equal measure. Nice.

 

An argument I have been making myself for some time now. Sadly, it will all go over the heads of the 'OVO doesn't matter' brigade. But hey, it's still fun to ridicule them.

[Peter Richer]

Oh, and for the original poster (after nearly 10 years as a member, and around 1,300 posts) to suddenly decide to start this argument up again with a pretence of naivety ... come off it.

 

Thinly veiled plug for an upcoming 'free' weekender - and hoped for justification thereof - methinks.

 

Doesn't wash.

[Chris L]

Just been reading lots of threads about events who stipulate ovo, sounds like a rare disease but im sure this has been covered many times but my point is that if events state that ovo is a prerequisite is this why some events charge admission fees and high ones at that which penalises guests? We run a free soul weekend and used to run free soul nights in morecambe and ovo wasnt an issue with vinyl mp3 and cds being played Do the punters really care id hazard a guess that most wouldnt be bothered just that the right music in their eyes being played on the night Id also be worried about needles and ensuring they were new to preserve the quality of the vinyl if playing v expensive records Judging by some of the sellers selling mint/ex copies id doubt that very much or am i missing the point in that ovo events are a collectors get together and a celebration of collecting original records? At morecambe we welcome all collectors djs people who play great music all formats I heard that at one event a camera was linked to a big screen so that people could see which discs were veing played i mean is that really necessary? Im sure in the heydays it was no different than now people played the tune bo matter whether ovo boot pressing or reissue?

I collect and sell records its a great feeling receiving them despite knowing playing them depreciates their value like other things you can collect I just would be worried about playing them too many times at events but i suppose the more you collect the less of a problem it becomes Apologies for the rant just curious as to why all of a sudden theres a necessity to use the term ovo only...

 

If I had to explain you wouldn't understand.........................

[ockers]

Peter Richer

Youre so wrong my point was valid and a genuine question and there have been some very interesting intelligent discussions with the odd barbed comment thrown in

Publicity for a free weekend???

Check the events page i bet we forgot to list

After 9 years people know where we are thank you

[ockers]

Chris L

I think youll find i would

Your comment comes across as very patronising

[Raremusicdirect]

Personally prefer the discipline of OVO as there are indeed thousands of 45s out there to be played.  It helps maintain individuality, a reason to travel and for me adds authenticity and credibility.   

 

I fully accept I am a dying breed.   I don't care though..........I don't intend to twist my passion and principles for others...........

 

At venues it used to be a given that events were OVO (apparently) - I have stated before I no longer think that's the case now.   

 

I urge those who still run OVO events to put it on the flyer, advertise as such, because the key to me is that events are as described, you then take your choices.  

Many promoters and djs have argued its not necessary as people "should know" ; well many don't - especially newcomers ; so it would help set these events apart...............

 

I also see some OVO djs allow it to be left unstated on events they run, as a cover for other djs on the rosta who play whatever they like...................

 

I see loads of do's playing cds etc ; and that's fine (to a limited extent in that playing reissues and boots does undermine rare soul originals) - its their thing, they don't care and they seem to enjoy it......................live and let live (to a degree), but I don't see why lovers of 45s should be always be branded as "soul snobs" just because they like original vinyl, after all (ironically) some original 45s are worth less than the high end bootlegs ...........and the price range for originals is £10 upwards..........

Edited March 27, 2015 by RareMusicDirect

[Quinvy]

Most of the events advertised as OVO mean that the music is played on vinyl. Trouble is not all of it is on the original. Therein lies the problem.

[Jordirip]

Is that right? It would be fun to boo or Coo when a boot or original came on.... You could do a silly dance....

 

Air horns or vuvuzelas should be handed out.

[ockers]

Lol horns and vuvuzelas.....

The ritchie family brazil.....vuvuzela

Mike post afternoon of the rhino.....horn

Lol

Theme from joe 90 kazoo

[Kev Cane]

Not being a killjoy or anything, but like Phil said at the beginning, this has been done to death and in the cold light of day we all know who the runners and riders are regarding who is likely to be playing boots and where they are going to be played, who the money grabbing promoters are, simple solution, don't go, choose whatever floats your boat

 

Kev

[Johnmcc]

Why would a multi-millionaire who's putting on a profit-making venture not pay his DJs? 

That's why he's a multi millionaire!

[Frankie M]

knowing how we all look hard and sometimes spend the rent money on the "original " I always prefer and

am impressed by Djs playing tunes on original vinyl and would not readily go elsewhere because

yes we all have a choice at the end of the day . I do realise that today with all the hype everyone

appears to be a northern soulie and this has resulted in more venues and the playing of boots etc etc

its a topic that wont go away I am afraid and I will change my opinion to " to each his own " which

might surprise some with the comments I have made in the last months .

[Mal C]

Air horns or vuvuzelas should be handed out.

I love it, horns and whistles... hey, day glow record labels, that could catch on you know...

 

Caption: The Kings Hall last night, unbridled euphoria as it becomes apparent Sag War Fare is indeed an original Press!!!

Edited March 27, 2015 by Mal C

[Mark R]

What's wrong with cameras above the decks.? 

If you really think cameras above the decks is a good idea then I think you've lost sight of the dancers perspective on proceedings!!

 

As for admission charges, the original post makes the rash assumption that this money is passed on to the guys and gals that spend so much money on these OVO tunes!

 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

[Rhino]

Oh, and for the original poster (after nearly 10 years as a member, and around 1,300 posts) to suddenly decide to start this argument up again with a pretence of naivety ... come off it.

 

Thinly veiled plug for an upcoming 'free' weekender - and hoped for justification thereof - methinks.

 

Doesn't wash.

 

 

been to the weekender and its a great event 100% free great venue 3rooms playing something that something for everyone. chilled out atmosphere no vocal pisshead being idiots and to of run for so long u deserve praise for your efforts cant wait till may. as they say dont knock it till u have tried it 

[KevH]

If you really think cameras above the decks is a good idea then I think you've lost sight of the dancers perspective on proceedings!!

 

As for admission charges, the original post makes the rash assumption that this money is passed on to the guys and gals that spend so much money on these OVO tunes!

 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

 

Not lost sight of anything Mark.Didn't say it was good or bad. Loads don't dance,so the camera's are a nice distraction/talking point/piss taking opportunity.Those who just dance may not generally care.Do agree with a previous poster who said it takes the spontaneity out of the night by knowing what's cued up next.!! 

Edited March 27, 2015 by KevH

[KevH]

Not being a killjoy or anything, but like Phil said at the beginning, this has been done to death and in the cold light of day we all know who the runners and riders are regarding who is likely to be playing boots and where they are going to be played, who the money grabbing promoters are, simple solution, don't go, choose whatever floats your boat

 

Kev

 

Or in some promoters cases float your yacht.

[Labeat]

Would the easel have to be wood or is laminate acceptable ?

 

Sorry Alan, OVO.... Oak Veneer Only

[Labeat]

What's wrong with cameras above the decks.? If its ovo great,if not then people like yourself dont care. There's plenty of collectors who are interested in ovo,hearing it and seeing it. 

Your'e right i guess most punters don't care.I for one am in the ovo camp.If you're going to play records out after all these years,play originals whenever you can.

There's not much integrity around in these throwaway days,five minutes of fame days..why should we buckle to that trend.? As for charging high prices - whch venues.?

Rant over for me - but i fear not for everyone else.

Hi Kev. Last time i saw cameras over the decks was at Derby assembly room nighter several years back,

it gave those interested an extra talking point, i was in awe looking at those prize possessions (and listening of course).

Not seen any cameras since to this day

[KevH]

Hi Kev. Last time i saw cameras over the decks was at Derby assembly room nighter several years back,

it gave those interested an extra talking point, i was in awe looking at those prize possessions (and listening of course).

Not seen any cameras since to this day

 

Your'e right Neil,Derby about 3 years ago - ?.I think Stoke has them still.? And Chesterfield winding wheel.?

[ockers]

Just wanted to point out to people that ive collected and sold records for 30+ years

Ive been a 70s soul collector and had some great records and always played original vinyl and got a big thrill listening to them on a big system thats a collector putting on records and getting a buzz

Money is secondary and a bonus

I dont profess to be a dj like eg mark randle dave hulmes steve naylor who are technically good and can mix

[Mark R]

Do agree with a previous poster who said it takes the spontaneity out of the night by knowing what's cued up next.!! 

 

Didn't read all the thread Kev, so didn't see that comment, but that's exactly my point!

 

 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

[Chalky]

Not lost sight of anything Mark.Didn't say it was good or bad. Loads don't dance,so the camera's are a nice distraction/talking point/piss taking opportunity.Those who just dance may not generally care.Do agree with a previous poster who said it takes the spontaneity out of the night by knowing what's cued up next.!! 

 

May as well just have a juke box or put a cd on 

Edited March 27, 2015 by chalky

[Guest john s]

Fucking hell

 

are we still building the pyramids?

[Mellorful]

Fucking hell

 

are we still building the pyramids?

Yea but on ORO (original rock only), no cement or tarmac permitted, cobbled stones strictly forbidden and the stone masons mark must also be authentic on each stone.  

[ockers]

And the stones for the pyramids must be lined up in the correct order to be truly authentic especially those on the orion label....

[KevH]

Nothing like hovis,sorry ovo for me.

Like Ted's Lee McKinney wdj.He let me touch it,,,and the record.(i'm here all week  ).

Life's too short - dont take it all too seriously.