Original Vinyl Only Ovo

[ockers]

Just been reading lots of threads about events who stipulate ovo, sounds like a rare disease but im sure this has been covered many times but my point is that if events state that ovo is a prerequisite is this why some events charge admission fees and high ones at that which penalises guests?

We run a free soul weekend and used to run free soul nights in morecambe and ovo wasnt an issue with vinyl mp3 and cds being played

Do the punters really care id hazard a guess that most wouldnt be bothered just that the right music in their eyes being played on the night

Id also be worried about needles and ensuring they were new to preserve the quality of the vinyl if playing v expensive records

Judging by some of the sellers selling mint/ex copies id doubt that very much or am i missing the point in that ovo events are a collectors get together and a celebration of collecting original records?

At morecambe we welcome all collectors djs people who play great music all formats

I heard that at one event a camera was linked to a big screen so that people could see which discs were veing played i mean is that really necessary?

Im sure in the heydays it was no different than now people played the tune bo matter whether ovo boot pressing or reissue?

I collect and sell records its a great feeling receiving them despite knowing playing them depreciates their value like other things you can collect

I just would be worried about playing them too many times at events but i suppose the more you collect the less of a problem it becomes

Apologies for the rant just curious as to why all of a sudden theres a necessity to use the term ovo only...

[KevH]

What's wrong with cameras above the decks.? If its ovo great,if not then people like yourself dont care. There's plenty of collectors who are interested in ovo,hearing it and seeing it. 

Your'e right i guess most punters don't care.I for one am in the ovo camp.If you're going to play records out after all these years,play originals whenever you can.

There's not much integrity around in these throwaway days,five minutes of fame days..why should we buckle to that trend.? As for charging high prices - whch venues.?

Rant over for me - but i fear not for everyone else.

Edited March 26, 2015 by KevH

[Quinvy]

It's been done to death on here mate. I think most of us have said our piece on the subject.

[Jnixon]

if you are doing it for free i cant use my ill pay you with a fake fiver to get in line. 

[Labeat]

Hi Ockers.

Maybe you take the issue of format with a pinch of salt, but there are some serious

minded expectations out there, beware trodding the minefield, don't get blown up

[Supercorsa]

Just been reading lots of threads about events who stipulate ovo, sounds like a rare disease but im sure this has been covered many times but my point is that if events state that ovo is a prerequisite is this why some events charge admission fees and high ones at that which penalises guests

 

This subject has been done to death.

 

However as for admission charges I would say generally OVO events are cheaper.  Here's an event, that I'd wager wasn't OVO and look at their admission charges!  https://www.northernsouldownsouth.co.uk

[KevH]

It's been done to death on here mate. I think most of us have said our piece on the subject.

 

Wonder what Clarkson would have said Phil.?

Edited March 26, 2015 by KevH

[Garswood]

Not this again..... Next

[ockers]

Hi guys

No criticsm or any bad feeling towards anyone on this it was merely an observation as it comes across as an instruction

I collect and sell records and its great to play them out as you all do for me thats been 2/3 times a year

I think i was just curious as to why it was necessary to use that label unless there was a very good reason to use it you know

I think cameras over decks is excessive

Promoters at events can state the terms for djs/collectors

At collectors events i cant see any problem because its s celebration of the vinyl which is great

[Quinvy]

Don't worry the battle is being lost on a daily basis and it will soon be anything goes where ever you go.

[Kev Cane]

At collectors events i cant see any problem because its s celebration of the vinyl which is great 

 

The way ahead, well said, the only type of do that interests me these days

 

Kev

[Baldsoulie]

When did OVO events get renamed collectors events?, I go to OVO events and vinyl only events (presumably pressings , boots etc played) and its usually the same punters ie collectors AND those just wanting to dance/socialise. What gets me are events that are not OVO advertising 5 to 10 DJs? What the hell for if they have all bought the same 72 track CD bundle, phew and breathe.

Stu

Edited March 26, 2015 by Baldsoulie

[ockers]

Take a deep breath stu

Very good point but i suspect some "promoters" just ask their mates to play a few records without having to pay for a collector dj?

i just remember when i first played a set out in the late 80s i played original vinyl but no promoter ever stipulated that it should be so it was a given and it was as djs used to chat records swaps etc

I just think something happened to make people use the term ovo

Perhaps too many people playing records who will never be djs playing boots represses perhaps? Is that what prompted the use of the term ovo?

[Baldsoulie]

Should also point out that there are many non OVO DJs/ collectors who are as knowledgeable as OVO DJs, having brass does not bestow knowledge just as buying OVO does not make an anorak DJ/collector.

[ockers]

Cant argue with that at all baldsoulie

Ive bought all formats

Spot on

[Mal C]

I've not read the whole thread, apologies, but did I read right, was one part of the start of this thread about cameras above the decks?

Seriously, and that's being touted as an effort to add interest to collectors, while giving the added benefit of subversively acting as OVO Police....

No wonder the outside world think we're all mad...

I love you all, but you lot are Fookin crazy!!!!

That said you could cover the labels with interesting pictures and messages... That would be fun....

Mad as March Hares... All of you... Me included...

Edited March 26, 2015 by Mal C

[Shsdave]

I've not read the whole thread, apologies, but did I read right, was one part of the start of this thread about cameras above the decks?

Seriously, and that's being touted as an effort to add interest to collectors, while giving the added benefit of subversively acting as OVO Police....

No wonder the outside world think we're all mad...

I love you all, but you lot are Fookin crazy!!!!

That said you could cover the labels with interesting pictures and messages... That would be fun....

Mad as March Hares... All of you... Me included...

 

but hasn't one of the so called biggest venues had cameras & then some of their DJs have played boots ??????? 

[Kjw]

I see lots of flyers advertising events playing OVO - still waiting to see one that claims to play bootlegs and re-issues though

 

Re - the cameras over the decks - I like them. If you're on the dance floor you can see what's coming up next and know whether to hang around or not

[Mal C]

Is that right? It would be fun to boo or Coo when a boot or original came on.... You could do a silly dance....

[ockers]

Kjw i never thought about that re cameras thats a very good point id be honest enough to say id like to see what was next that is a positive way to use them but i suspect its the negative reason that prevailed

[Northern Soul Uk]

In my humble opinion and for what it's worth, one of the exciting things about going to an event as a punter is NOT knowing what is coming next. Knowing the next tune every time would also spoil that element of surprize for the DJ too. You wouldn't get the same buzz from the crowd if they all knew what was coming next. One of the fun things about DJing is dropping a tune out of the blue and watching the crowd react.

Edited March 26, 2015 by Northern Soul UK

[ockers]

Northern soul uk

Good point i think it can work both ways

With my eyesight i probably wouldnt see what was on the screen anyway lol

[Kevinkent]

 Surprised that you think charging a high entry fee penalises guests.

Not always the case, but I generally find that you get what you pay for in life, and this scene included.

IMO free entry events are to be avoided and I consider it disrespectful not to pay the DJ's for their input. Unless of course their input and their collection is worthless

 

 - Kev

[Northern Soul Uk]

 Surprised that you think charging a high entry fee penalises guests.

Not always the case, but I generally find that you get what you pay for in life, and this scene included.

IMO free entry events are to be avoided and I consider it disrespectful not to pay the DJ's for their input. Unless of course their input and their collection is worthless

 

 - Kev

and as of late even if you had a box full of bootlegs they would be worth a fortune the way prices are going recently, with people paying huge amounts of wonga for boots with look alike original labels stuck over 'em.

[Northern Soul Uk]

Northern soul uk

Good point i think it can work both ways

With my eyesight i probably wouldnt see what was on the screen anyway lol

Me neither LOL. You might as well get the DJ to announce what the tune after the one he is playing is going to be, save the expense of cameras and screens being installed   

"and the next tune I'll be playing after this one is Tomangos on a boot, so if you don't want to dance to it you can go and order you drink at the bar after this one. you should have enough time because the tune I'll be playing after that will be an original copy of The Salvadors, which you will definitely want to dance to"

LOL

[ockers]

Notthern soul uk

Lol thats good i like it

This 45 is the argentinian press sorry if this offends anyone lol

[ockers]

Kevin

As s soul club in Morecambe we never charged

Our lads and friends on the scene came along and played

Its not about money

Ive djd for wayne hemingway at vintage and wouldnt dream of asking for money hopefully ill get the chance again september

We raised money for local cancer charities by asking people to donate

Thats something thats close to my heart as someone fighting cancer

The weekender i created in morecambe is in its 9th year a free festival with djs only too happy to come and play from all parts of the country

Punters love it

Collectors collect records and play out simple as they pay for their collection noone else and thats how it should be imho

There are few real djs on this scene who are technically proficient and can work a room

And they earn their crust

Just my ten bobs worth

[KevH]

but hasn't one of the so called biggest venues had cameras & then some of their DJs have played boots ???????

ain't that the truth !! Mad as hatters.

[Ncfc]

 Surprised that you think charging a high entry fee penalises guests.

Not always the case, but I generally find that you get what you pay for in life, and this scene included.

IMO free entry events are to be avoided and I consider it disrespectful not to pay the DJ's for their input. Unless of course their input and their collection is worthless

 

 - Kev

Would not dream of asking a fee to DJ,drove over 3 hours to DJ at Horse and Groom.Was a privlige to play whatever you wanted(ovo mind)

[ockers]

Nice one ncfc

They sound great sessions too from their playlists

Thats dedication you travelling all that way

Nice one!!!

[Kevinkent]

Would not dream of asking a fee to DJ,drove over 3 hours to DJ at Horse and Groom.Was a privlige to play whatever you wanted(ovo mind)

 

Neither would I.  And if I were a promoter I wouldn't dream of not paying my DJ's.

 

Too many 'promoters'  building their ego's from full floors created by, amongst other things, minimal door tax and the expectation of free DJ's.

 

Too many ' dj's' happy to oblige and willing to obtain top tunes by the easiest possible boot..... I mean route.

 

 

 

 - Kev

Edited March 26, 2015 by KevinKent

[Chalky]

It's all a load of bollox.  Most know where they are going, are happy to go as well, they know who they will be listening too, what they play and are happy with what they play.  OVO has been hijacked by many who play semi legit and legit reissues. As Phil said done to death, just go where you are happy to go.

Edited March 26, 2015 by chalky

[Winsford Soul]

I was brought up in the belief and it still holds that DJ,s at nighters  play originals . Soul night, never a issue for me but nighters its a unwritten law

 

Steve

[Northern Soul Uk]

"And if I were a promoter I wouldn't dream of not paying my DJ's"

 

 

Agreed, Why wouldn't DJs be paid, they spend hundreds and sometimes thousands on their collections, and they are booked to play the records they have bought. It's like asking a joiner to build you a kitchen and not paying them cos they can do it or they enjoy doing it. Many DJs, myself included do it as a profession, a job and a means of earning money to live. It's OK doing it for free if that's what you want, or to get your name of flyers etc. for your CV fair dinkum.

[ockers]

I agree with your point kevin

At big events i would expect djs to work hard for their money and be adequately rewarded

But at smaller events cover your overheads and share some of the profit perhaps

Its why we did free nights no falling out over money it kills a lot of things and why we run a free weekender

Shaun gibbons who made vast sums from the pier niters in the 80s paid his "djs" dreadfully and i was a victim of that

Ive worked with richard searling and kev roberts and they were very fair with me

[Steviehay]

suppose it can be looked at in two ways. on vinyl only or original vinyl only loved to know who drummed up the abbreviation in the first place 

[Guest Ivor Jones]

In my humble opinion and for what it's worth, one of the exciting things about going to an event as a punter is NOT knowing what is coming next. Knowing the next tune every time would also spoil that element of surprize for the DJ too. You wouldn't get the same buzz from the crowd if they all knew what was coming next. One of the fun things about DJing is dropping a tune out of the blue and watching the crowd react.

 

Exactly. One of the key elements in the relationship between the DJ and the dance floor in my opinion is the element of surprise. The camera ruins that and should be avoided at all costs in my opinion because of that[and only because of that].

Frankly speaking, if you don't trust the DJs to be spinning the right stuff then you're in the wrong venue !

[Northern Soul Uk]

Exactly. One of the key elements in the relationship between the DJ and the dance floor in my opinion is the element of surprise. The camera ruins that and should be avoided at all costs in my opinion because of that[and only because of that].

Frankly speaking, if you don't trust the DJs to be spinning the right stuff then you're in the wrong venue !

Or booking the wrong DJs

[KevH]

Not still going on is it......look...boots,cd's etc are for muggles.........  

Edited March 26, 2015 by KevH

[ockers]

Im done with it kev

Good discussion for those interested

I accept many have gone through all this before

Interesting to gather opinon

Noones right or wrong

Cheers sean

[Swifty]

For my Twopenneth (whatever that is  ) , I don't go out much to do's . so can't critisize but when I did it was to hear records that I liked and didn't have. I'm sure a lot of us on here have (and still have) had decent collections over the years.

Me , like a lot of us sold all my stuff back in the day for f**k all 'cause I needed the dosh.

I'll get to the point , I'm all for everyone enjoying Northern (daren't say "our Music" 'cause it isn't ) but if a place wants to hold a "Northern Soul" night in my opinion it should be true to the cause , if you know what I mean, which means playing original copies of records ?

Anyway my local do that used to play off laptop and CD, I went a couple of times and didn't feel comfortable and being a grumpy old soulie stopped going although a lot of our friends (who don't give a flying fook what it's played on) carried on going. Anyway they have changed their policy to  Vinyl and have asked me to do a spot, which I will do to my best and be playing only Original copies 'cause that's how I think it should be , we will see         

 

Swifty

Edited March 26, 2015 by SWIFTY

[Russoul1]

 Surprised that you think charging a high entry fee penalises guests.

Not always the case, but I generally find that you get what you pay for in life, and this scene included.

IMO free entry events are to be avoided and I consider it disrespectful not to pay the DJ's for their input. Unless of course their input and their collection is worthless

 

 - Kev

 

"club caliente" is free entry...we pay our djs...does the likes of resident djs carl fortnum & steve Jackson have worthless

collections? I think not...some of us promotors have venues that pay us, which isn't a lot in our case but enough to cover our djs with no profits to ourselves and of course a strict ovo policy with the decks set out that the records being played

can be seen by the punters

 

so should these free entry events be avoided.......why are these events avoided because the thought of some actually hearing something they might like...outside the top 500

[Kevinkent]

"club caliente" is free entry...we pay our djs...does the likes of resident djs carl fortnum & steve Jackson have worthless

collections? I think not...some of us promotors have venues that pay us, which isn't a lot in our case but enough to cover our djs with no profits to ourselves and of course a strict ovo policy with the decks set out that the records being played

can be seen by the punters

 

so should these free entry events be avoided.......why are these events avoided because the thought of some actually hearing something they might like...outside the top 500

 

Russ, my previous posts were generalising, hence equating free entry with dj's plying their trade for free. There are obvious exceptions .....charity events (though they shouldn't be free admission IMO), and a few events where collectors and music fans gather together to celebrate the artists and their output - Dave Moore's brilliant Hitsville Weekenders being a notable example.

You're very lucky to find a venue that pays you, and it's admirable that your profits are used to pay your dj's.  Not the sort of event I was talking about in my generalisation, and I must pay another visit to Peterboro soon - it's been too long.

 

I will add that on a number of occasions, at various venues, I've been offered free entry (for distance travelled or helping set up etc) , but insist on paying as I reckon the the promoters and dj's at the places I attend are worth every penny they can get.

 

 - Kev

[phillyDaveG]

I'm also lucky enough to have a venue that pays us to hold events, thus enabling us to make the nights free entry & pay guesting DJs. To say the quality of an event depends on how much it costs to get in is clearly laughable, some of the best and most well known nights ever were free.

Anyway, we play OVO, as well as OCDO, & OMP3O!

Edited March 26, 2015 by phillyDaveG

[Quinvy]

Neither would I.  And if I were a promoter I wouldn't dream of not paying my DJ's.

 

Too many 'promoters'  building their ego's from full floors created by, amongst other things, minimal door tax and the expectation of free DJ's.

 

Too many ' dj's' happy to oblige and willing to obtain top tunes by the easiest possible boot..... I mean route.

 

 

 

 - Kev

Sorry if I'm being dumb Kev. But isn't there a contradiction in your first line?

[Quinvy]

"And if I were a promoter I wouldn't dream of not paying my DJ's"

 

 

Agreed, Why wouldn't DJs be paid, they spend hundreds and sometimes thousands on their collections, and they are booked to play the records they have bought. It's like asking a joiner to build you a kitchen and not paying them cos they can do it or they enjoy doing it. Many DJs, myself included do it as a profession, a job and a means of earning money to live. It's OK doing it for free if that's what you want, or to get your name of flyers etc. for your CV fair dinkum.

What? You make a living out of Dj'ing?

[Cover-up]

Ive djd for wayne hemingway at vintage and wouldnt dream of asking for money hopefully ill get the chance again september

 

Why would a multi-millionaire who's putting on a profit-making venture not pay his DJs? 

[Quinvy]

I'm also lucky enough to have a venue that pays us to hold events, thus enabling us to make the nights free entry & pay guesting DJs. To say the quality of an event depends on how much it costs to get in is clearly laughable, some of the best and most well known nights ever were free.

Anyway, we play OVO, as well as OCDO, & OMP3O!

Bloody hell! How does that work? I've never heard of that, and if you asked for a venue round these parts and said they had to pay you. Well I shudder to think what the consequences would be. Either laughed out or carried out I should think. 

[ockers]

Cover up

Waynes a friend whos djd with us in morecambe

A few times

[Jim G]

One of the ironies of OVO is OVO seems to be aimed at rare soul records. We all know there many many great records sub £20 that rarely get played out because people want to hear rare stuff or the top 500. I offer no judgement on this, but it is getting harder and harder to find the top 500 and / or rare as hell stuff in any condition, which ultimately means fewer venues can claim to be playing OVO or the really rare stuff. This in turn will lead to reducing numbers at venues etc. and then fade out...

 

So we have a situation whereby only those with very deep pockets will be able to satisfy the OVO criteria unless punters open their ears to great records that don't cost a small fortune, even for those oldies that don't get played today. Original vinyl is a diminishing resource, in twenty years time anyone that went to the Wheel will most likely be dead or in the their twilight years, I will be nearly 80, meaning our collections risk being cast aside, or worse reduced to being worthless. So, the elitism of OVO will either be continued by today's youth, or simply remembered as "remember the days when we had to play Original Vinyl?!" I suspect it will be the latter.

 

Most People who listen to and play music from the 1920's and 30's don't own 78's, it doesn't diminish their passion and love from that time, they simply listen to it on a current format. Indeed one of my favourite tunes is from 1890, what is the OVO for that? 

 

My point, enjoy the music, if you can experience it on original vinyl then great, or if not, it is your choice.