Charles Sheffield Rare Copy Or?

[Guest t o t s s c]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191532873660?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

 

 

writing is on 2 lines. all copies are single line title even the bootlegs

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[Liamgp]

You can't exactly tell from the picture but the vinyl looks flat whereas the original one has a dished centre and the typeface looks too 'modern'. Could be all wrong of course!

[Kev John]

Sheldon  matrix stamp in run out means pressed in Chicago that what he is saying ! 

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[Guest]

Sheldon stamp is Nashville Matrix!.......some do have the 2 line title as well

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[Liamgp]

Sheldon stamp is Nashville Matrix!.......some do have the 2 line title as well

 

Sheldon was in Chicago not Nashville.

[Guest t o t s s c]

so is this a second pressing. if it is then where are the other copies. none showing on popsike etc.

[Phild]

This is a second pressing.

[Liamgp]

This is a second pressing.

 

If you don't mind explaining how you know that I'm sure we'd all be grateful. As I said above it doesn't look right to me, but having never seen a second pressing before, more info would be useful.

[Phild]

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[Liamgp]

 

These were done, I believe, in the 70's when Nashboro (Excello's parent company) were reissuing most of their back catalogue. This label design (with the Nashboro Records address at the top rather than the bottom of the label) although based on the earlier iteration is typical of this period in which Nashboro/Excello were predominantly reissuing back catalogue as opposed to new recordings.

 

Here's another reissue showing the same label design and below the original label design

 

https://images.45cat.com/slim-harpo-im-a-king-bee-excello.jpg - REISSUE

 

https://www.somanyrecordssolittletime.com/wp-content/uploads/slim-harpo-king-bee.jpg  - ORIGINAL

 

 

 

 

Thank you sir! Now who's going to tell the seller?

[Guest t o t s s c]

at last. it just didnt look right and the detailed explanation is perfect fit.

[Guest]

 

These were done, I believe, in the 70's when Nashboro (Excello's parent company) were reissuing most of their back catalogue. This label design (with the Nashboro Records address at the top rather than the bottom of the label) although based on the earlier iteration is typical of this period in which Nashboro/Excello were predominantly reissuing back catalogue as opposed to new recordings.

 

Here's another reissue showing the same label design and below the original label design

 

https://images.45cat.com/slim-harpo-im-a-king-bee-excello.jpg - REISSUE

 

https://www.somanyrecordssolittletime.com/wp-content/uploads/slim-harpo-king-bee.jpg  - ORIGINAL

 

 

 

That would mean the 70s issue would be more prevalent than just the one on Popsike and even more so than the earlier 1961 press surely!

[Guest t o t s s c]

that is why i asked the question, Where are they all then. so maybe a re think again

[Guest]

Yes, I very much doubt it was issued again in the 70s or we would see more of these. More likely a different labeling plant was used. 

Record collecting....full of enigmas and many still to come. 

[Phild]

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[Guest]

It`s an opinion just like yours!

I`m not saying your wrong but you haven`t really added anything that`s  been backed up by any facts Phil. And the records been around for quite some time and this topic has never, as far as i`m aware come up before.

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[Phild]

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[Liamgp]

From Wikipedia - not ultra reliable but food for thought:

 

'Ernie Lafayette Young (label founder) died in 1977, by which time Nashboro was increasingly reissuing out of its back catalogue rather than issuing new material'

[SHEFFSOUL]

i can remember this track first coming to my attention sometime in the early 80's on an Ace (i think) compilation LP, probably before it was played on the northern scene?..however as such it stands to reason it was ripe for reissue..and imo the 45 in question looks like a reissue..

[Phild]

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[Dimples]

The lettering looks very "modern" in this issue for 1961 if you see what I mean.

[Liamgp]

The lettering looks very "modern" in this issue for 1961 if you see what I mean.

 

I agree, the font does not look right for the early 1960s. For instance, here's a discussion about this sort of wildly exciting thing regarding an Okeh 70s reissue:

 

https://www.45cat.com/record/47291

[Phild]

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[Guest]

Well now you`ve sprayed me with your nerd musk...  ...something other than saying "It`s a reissue" I understand fully that they`re probably later issues.

 

Cheers for the info 

 

[Garethx]

I agree, the font does not look right for the early 1960s. For instance, here's a discussion about this sort of wildly exciting thing regarding an Okeh 70s reissue:

 

https://www.45cat.com/record/47291

That's Franklin Gothic, which was first cut in 1902!

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[pow wow mik]

The original is not a rare record, it makes sense that a 70s re-issue would be rarer, why would it have sold well in the 70s?

[Chalky]

Sheldon  matrix stamp in run out means pressed in Chicago that what he is saying ! 

 

 

Doesn't necessarily mean pressed by Sheldon.  They also just did the mastering.  If pressed by them it usually has a sheldon number in the run out S****.  Sheldon is in italic font, bit like Nashville Matrix.

[stokesoulboy]

There was a big rock n roll revival during the 70s, thus was spun by 50s rock n roll scene djs long before it hit the northern scene,so this could possibly be aimed at this market ? Or it could just be a label variation on a original 60s press ?

[Liamgp]

There was a big rock n roll revival during the 70s, thus was spun by 50s rock n roll scene djs long before it hit the northern scene,so this could possibly be aimed at this market ? Or it could just be a label variation on a original 60s press ?

 

I think you've hit the nail on the head. A lot of 50s material was re-released in the 70s especially after the whole American Graffiti thing and labels could potentially make some money from that back then. And, as you also say, this was not ever played or collected by anyone on the soul scene until years later. In fact I first heard it and various Slim Harpo, Little Willie John, Richard Berry tunes at rocking events in the mid 80s when I had enough hair for a quiff.

[stokesoulboy]

Still a great record tho, i remember early 90's flicking thru Keith Minshulls sales box and saw this for £30, ARE YOU MAD?, I'm not paying £30 for a excello record, there's hundreds about- Doh

[Dave Pinch]

so is this a second pressing. if it is then where are the other copies. none showing on popsike etc.

was this one from 7 years ago

 

https://www.popsike.com/Charles-Sheffield-on-Excello-2200-GREAT-RBSoul-45-/160227767449.html

Edited March 14, 2015 by dave pinch

[Frankie Crocker]

Well, in spite of this discussion, folk are bidding on it like it is an original whether it is a reissue, label variation or perhaps, putting the cat among the pigeons, a Sheldon stamped very first issue, making all the rest later reissues timed to coincide with a subsequent Halloween...QED...

[Tlscapital]

I don't know too much about these Excello releases but when reissuing after few years the Nashboro group managed, it seems, to use contemporary label design to do so as far as I know. These are not later label designs. Maybe they just have use another pressing plant at this one time (late 1961) to supply/meet demand with a "rush release" that actually came in a little "too late" and was not followed-up commercially; which would explain why it is rare® if it didn't sell. Even more so since they didn't "cut" the unsold records for discount price before...1965 or so (?). Quick search on the net; 

 

 

Edited March 15, 2015 by tlscapital

[Sunnysoul]

Original white demo

 

[Straight Up]

You can't exactly tell from the picture but the vinyl looks flat whereas the original one has a dished centre and the typeface looks too 'modern'. Could be all wrong of course!

My copy has a slightly dished centre & the title's all on one line.

This one does'nt look right to me

[Guest t o t s s c]

End price £394 showed the doubt about this copy but it leaves the question now was it an expensive reissue or a bargain original first press from a different plant.