Another Repro

[Reg Scott]

I truly think collecting is being further undermined from what seem to be reputable sources. I know we've had boots, counterfeits, repros and re-issues since the beginning but now the reproductions are coming thick and fast and on some items you wonder "why this one.." Now Secret Stash are releasing more M-PAC material that includes a 'bonus single' which is one of the tougher 45's to pick up being Willie Parker's "I've Got To Fight It,". I know I might be an anorak but this shit gets on my (add rude word here) Apologies for the rant!!

 

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[Daz]

Ditto - sick of the sight of all of them!

[Frankie Crocker]

Ditto - makes you puke...

[Labeat]

I'm sometimes told "don't worry, it wont devalue your original"! Aw yeah, that makes it alright then

[soul45s]

I dont buy them, deffo dont play them and wouldnt be seen dead at an event that does....

 

To me, its the same as fake clothes, watches, number plates, aftershaves etc, its false, come into the real world, its brilliant

[Guest Gogs]

I have to agree. i.m fed up seeing all these "re-issues" or whatever you want to call them !!. I no longer even look at Evilbay as 1. there are too many of these and 2. with a lot of records now you won't know that it is a "re-issue" "boot" or "lookalike" until you have actually got it in your hands.

[Louise]

Here we go again, its amazing how in less than 12 months the Secret Stash guys have gone from hero's with the unisssued Ringleaders and Sharpees 45's to zero's with their current releases. Only last week the great unwashed of Soul Source were hailing Ady Croasdell as the greatest discover of unissued northern with a potential vocal version of Tyler & Davis's "Hold On Help Is On The Way" and this week your giving the Secret Stash guy's a kicking for doing exactly the same, come on double standards or what ! The secret tash guys have spent a lot of hardwork and their own money, buying the mastertapes etc from the family to produce a great product included the unearthing of circa 50 previously unissued tracks thus far !

Thet ought to be applauded not lambasted, for preserving the history and legacy of these great small independent black  Chicago ladels. There's one thing you lot need to remember, no matter how many thousands of pounds you spend on a record you only ever own the carrier not the music, The ownership of the music remains with either the label owners/producers/artists or the person/s to whom they may have sold the rights on to at a latter date and it is theirs to do what they see fit with period.

Dave

Edited March 22, 2015 by Louise

[John Reed]

Whats wrong with giving support to people who support the music?  I don't think any of these re-issues will have any true effect on "collecting" as I believe it generally won't affect people who collect originals releases in the long-term, although it may make the price of originals dip for a bit.  I think it will mainly affect "the DJ's" more, as another semi-elusive disc is made available for the masses to DJ with.  Surely it should then make DJ's dig deeper into their collections for other still illusive (but also good musically) discs to support? 

Edited March 6, 2015 by John Reed

[Kegsy]

Here we go again, its amazing how in less than 12 months the Secret Stash guys have gone from hero's with the unisssued Ringleaders and Sharpees 45's to zero's with their current releases. Only last week the great unwashed of Soul Source were hailing Ady Croasdell as the greatest discover of unissued northern with a potential vocal version of Tyler & Davis's "Hold On Help Is On The Way" and this week your giving the Secret Stash guy's a kicking for doing exactly the same, come on double standards or what ! The secret tash guys have spent a lot of hardwork and their own money, buying the mastertapes etc from the family to produce a great product included the unearthing of circa 50 previously unissued tracks thus far !

Thet ought to be applauded not lambasted, for preserving the history and legacy of these great small independent black  Chicago ladels. There's one thing you lot need to remember, no matter how many thousands of pounds you spend on a record you only ever own the carrier not the music, The ownership of the music remains with either the label owners/producers/artists or the person/s to whom they ma have sold the rights on to at a latter date and it is theirs to do what they see fit with period.

Dave

 

Quite right, as long a Secret Stash have the rights and pay the royalties, where due, whats the big deal.

How much did Eddie Parker or his family get from the last copy of I'm Gone that was auctioned ?.

[Mrtag]

I'm sometimes told "don't worry, it wont devalue your original"! Aw yeah, that makes it alright then

 

That's all well and good Neil them saying it won't devalue your original!!! the original is still the Original but who wants it when it's been played to Death!! by everybody who gets away with playing the £6 re-isssue or boot or second issue or whatever glossy term you choose to call them by!!! exactly Nobody!! So it does devalue it!! 

Edited March 7, 2015 by mrtag

[Louise]

That's all well and good Neil them saying it won't devalue your original!!! the original is still the Original but who wants it when it's been played to Death!! by everybody who gets away with playing the £6 re-isssue or boot or second issue or whatever glossy term you choose to call them by!!! exactly Nobody!! So it does devalue it!! 

 

Not according to the prices regulary achived on E-bay, Manship's auctions etc, it's the more played to death has been records from the past that seem to reach top dollar.

I always thought you bought records first and formost for your own personel enjoyment not to enhance your ego and kudos, could this be the real reason for the initail vitriol on this thread ?

Dave

[Kegsy]

Not according to the prices regulary achived on E-bay, Manship's auctions etc, it's the more played to death has been records from the past that seem to reach top dollar.

I always thought you bought records first and formost for your own personel enjoyment not to enhance your ego and kudos, could this be the real reason for the initail vitriol on this thread ?

Dave

 

 

As Berry Gordy might have put it, "Its the dollars in the grooves that count".

[Kegsy]

That's all well and good Neil them saying it won't devalue your original!!! the original is still the Original but who wants it when it's been played to Death!! by everybody who gets away with playing the £6 re-isssue or boot or second issue or whatever glossy term you choose to call them by!!! exactly Nobody!! So it does devalue it!! 

 

Perhaps it would help if you were to quantify the point you are trying to make.

 

For example;

 

By how much did the legit UK Tamla Motown issues of Frank Wilson devalue the original

Soul copies ?

 

or maybe

 

By how much did Ady Croasdale's release of Buddy Smith devalue the U.S. originals ?

[Kegsy]

I dont buy them, deffo dont play them and wouldnt be seen dead at an event that does....

 

To me, its the same as fake clothes, watches, number plates, aftershaves etc, its false, come into the real world, its brilliant

 

But they are not "fakes" and there isn't any intention to deceive people.

[Amsterdam Russ]

How dare record companies reissue obscure music from their back catalogue?

 

How dare they bring music that's known only to a minority to the attention of a wider audience?

 

How dare they share the legacy of the mainly long-forgotten artists and groups involved and help make their music accessible to everyone?

 

How dare they? I mean really? We all know that singers and groups fought hard to achieve real obscurity, to never be known for their work, for their music to be unknown except to a few. And they most certainly did not want to gain recognition, respect or royalties. I mean, that's why they went into the recording studios, right?

 

What are record companies playing at? They should stop it immediately.

 

Reissues are killing music!

Edited March 6, 2015 by Russell Gilbert

[Kegsy]

That's all well and good Neil them saying it won't devalue your original!!! the original is still the Original but who wants it when it's been played to Death!! by everybody who gets away with playing the £6 re-isssue or boot or second issue or whatever glossy term you choose to call them by!!! exactly Nobody!! So it does devalue it!! 

 

How many people started out on the northern soul adventure ONLY buying

original copies or ONLY hearing tunes played on original copies ?.

 

How many of those who initially bought pressings, re-issues etc. now search out originals

with a passion ?.

 

I would suggest anything that gets the music out there into more earholes

can only be a good thing, including for the collecting game.

[Labeat]

I suppose re-issues are acceptable to some, it's when the bootleggers try to pull the wool with their "identical" copies that i don't condone because lets face it.... they are out to pass them off as originals.... and they succeed!

[Mal C]

Is he paying onto the people who wrote and published these great records? of course he is... Personally I think he's doing a great job over there, great set of classic Chicago labels, and hes done it right..

 

Secret stash as far as I'm aware is not a bootlegger label, I love their releases... especially the LP comps...

 

Mal

[Kegsy]

I suppose re-issues are acceptable to some, it's when the bootleggers try to pull the wool with their "identical" copies that i don't condone because lets face it.... they are out to pass them off as originals.... and they succeed!

 

But that isn't the case here.

[Kegsy]

How dare record companies reissue obscure music from their back catalogue?

 

How dare they bring music that's known only to a minority to the attention of a wider audience?

 

How dare they share the legacy of the mainly long-forgotten artists and groups involved and help make their music accessible to everyone?

 

How dare they? I mean really? We all know that singers and groups fought hard to achieve real obscurity, to never be known for their work, for their music to be unknown except to a few. And they most certainly did not want to gain recognition, respect or royalties. I mean, that's why they went into the recording studios, right?

 

What are record companies playing at? They should stop it immediately.

 

Reissues are killing music!

 

 

Excellent post.

 

Let's not worry about any of these things.

 

Artists musicians who's hopes and dreams were smashed when their record

didn't sell many copies, thus increasing its future collectable value.

Artists who lived/died in squalor and poverty due to them trying to make good music

which didn't get recognised as such at the time.

Whether its brilliant tune or whether its a total shite dirge.

 

As long as I have the original piece of plastic and it holds its value, that's all that counts !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited March 6, 2015 by Kegsy

[Pete Eccles]

How dare record companies reissue obscure music from their back catalogue?

 

How dare they bring music that's known only to a minority to the attention of a wider audience?

 

How dare they share the legacy of the mainly long-forgotten artists and groups involved and help make their music accessible to everyone?

 

How dare they? I mean really? We all know that singers and groups fought hard to achieve real obscurity, to never be known for their work, for their music to be unknown except to a few. And they most certainly did not want to gain recognition, respect or royalties. I mean, that's why they went into the recording studios, right?

 

What are record companies playing at? They should stop it immediately.

 

Reissues are killing music!

 

 

The artists wanted to avoid recognition so much that they demanded that DJs playing their records to the public changed their name and the title and that they hide the label, just to make them even more obscure

Edited March 6, 2015 by Pete60

[Andrea Ko]

I have a "friend" who bought the reissues of my originals and she is currently playing in some "neutral" venue where I play sometimes. I'm not jelous but this is very sad....

[Mrtag]

Not according to the prices regulary achived on E-bay, Manship's auctions etc, it's the more played to death has been records from the past that seem to reach top dollar.

I always thought you bought records first and formost for your own personel enjoyment not to enhance your ego and kudos, could this be the real reason for the initail vitriol on this thread ?

Dave

 

I know what you're saying Dave in the long run it will recover and possibly get back to it's true value! But short term it takes a hit and also you lose a tune from your playbox as it will be played to death! Also the Frank Wilson Is a 1 to 2 known playable copies so a little unfair to pick that tune for a comparison!! Imho. John

[Guest johnny hart]

Quite right, as long a Secret Stash have the rights and pay the royalties, where due, whats the big deal.

How much did Eddie Parker or his family get from the last copy of I'm Gone that was auctioned ?.

Well said Kegsy ,you speaketh mucho,common sense!

[Kegsy]

I know what you're saying Dave in the long run it will recover and possibly get back to it's true value! But short term it takes a hit and also you lose a tune from your playbox as it will be played to death! Also the Frank Wilson Is a 1 to 2 known playable copies so a little unfair to pick that tune for a comparison!! Imho. John

 

Ok how about the Tamangos, what has happened to its value, because of the grapevine release ?

[Kegsy]

I know what you're saying Dave in the long run it will recover and possibly get back to it's true value! But short term it takes a hit and also you lose a tune from your playbox as it will be played to death! Also the Frank Wilson Is a 1 to 2 known playable copies so a little unfair to pick that tune for a comparison!! Imho. John

 

100's of, not so rare, records have had their values inflated by actually being played to death.

 

Bettye Swann  - Kiss My Love Goodbye

Sam Dess        - Fragile Handle With Care

Stanky

 

Would you say any of the above were rare enough to command the silly prices they were selling for now or a few years ago.

How many collectors complained that they were played to death, when they sold the copies

they had bought years ago, for some ridiculous amount, based on the record's actual rarity.

Edited March 6, 2015 by Kegsy

[Mrtag]

100's of, not so rare, records have had their values inflated by actually being played to death.

 

Bettye Swann  - Kiss My Love Goodbye

Sam Dess        - Fragile Handle With Care

Stanky

 

Would you say any of the above were rare enough to command the silly prices they were selling for now or a few years ago.

 

There Not RARE Records!

[Kegsy]

There Not RARE Records!

 

No they arn't, but neither are many of the records that sell for 100's of pounds these days.

It's all about popularity at a given time or the fact that people don't want to sell them

which inflates the price.

 

Have you any idea how many copies of Key To My Happiness were found on Bradford market ?

It now goes for 300/400, mainly because collectors hoard it because its such a great sound.

If all the copies came onto the market it wouldn't fetch a quarter of what it does.

 

In addition there are countless stories of dealers dripping out single copies over long

periods of time even though they have dozens of copies.

 

Danny Moore on Allrite or that Trickbag record spring to mind.

Edited March 6, 2015 by Kegsy

[Gene-r]

In addition there are countless stories of dealers dripping out single copies over long

periods of time even though they have dozens of copies.

 

Danny Moore on Allrite or that Trickbag record spring to mind.

 

Dream Team on Gregory

Clara Hardy on Tuna

Four Tracks on Mandingo

[Mrtag]

No they arn't, but neither are many of the records that sell for 100's of pounds these days.

It's all about popularity at a given time or the fact that people don't want to sell them

which inflates the price.

 

Have you any idea how many copies of Key To My Happiness were found on Bradford market ?

It now goes for 300/400, mainly because collectors hoard it because its such a great sound.

If all the copies came onto the market it wouldn't fetch a quarter of what it does.

 

Very True!! But still not what I would call rare!! But thats just my humble opinion!! Dave quoted an exceptionally rare record just my take on things but I didnt realise that Dave was going on about the first post which I hadn't read I was replying to the post made by La-Beat and his take on the damage that can be done! and as with your view on the Tomangoes all the boots and Grapevine etc it has stood the test of time but all those years ago there would have been owners of the original having a beef back then!! but back in the day the owner of the boots etc weren't DJ'ing with them, to hear top tunes you had to travel to hear the DJ's that owned them play them out!! not anymore. Just my humble opinion mind you!!

[Mrtag]

Dream Team on Gregory

Clara Hardy on Tuna

Four Tracks on Mandingo

 

Funny you should mention Danny Moore just been talking to a record dealer this morning about that one not that many copies where found but the stampede started and that 45 has never recovered!! I actually overheard a conversation where one DJ was slagging it off saying not this crap!! It was excellent when selling for 4 figures sums then it's suddenly crap because the value drops!! I don't think so!!

[Kegsy]

Very True!! But still not what I would call rare!! But thats just my humble opinion!! Dave quoted an exceptionally rare record just my take on things but I didnt realise that Dave was going on about the first post which I hadn't read I was replying to the post made by La-Beat and his take on the damage that can be done! and as with your view on the Tomangoes all the boots and Grapevine etc it has stood the test of time but all those years ago there would have been owners of the original having a beef back then!! but back in the day the owner of the boots etc weren't DJ'ing with them, to hear top tunes you had to travel to hear the DJ's that owned them play them out!! not anymore. Just my humble opinion mind you!!

 

That's because, back in the day, new tunes were being discovered at a rapid rate of knots

and DJ's knew there were plenty more out there to be played, when something was re-issued

or booted. That's not the case these days.

Also, back then,  loads of people DJ'd with pressings/re-issues AND unknown originals at local nights in the week,

Its wasn't like now where only the top DJ's break new sounds.

Where do you think I first heard Dean Parrish I'm On My Way ?, it was at a

local mid-week night in Selby, at that time it had never been played at a major venue.

 

People like Graham Slater, God rest his soul or Dave Box have probably discovered

more records than most big name DJs or dealers, but they hardly if ever DJ'd at any major

weekend venues on the scene.

Edited March 6, 2015 by Kegsy

[Mal C]

Dave Box, is he famous or something?

M

[Kegsy]

Dave Box, is he famous or something?

M

 

Not that I know of.

[Mal C]

wasn't he half part of Soft Cell?

 

Ignore that, Dave Ball was half of Soft Cell, my mistake..

 

M

Edited March 6, 2015 by Mal C

[Frankie Crocker]

Here we go again, its amazing how in less than 12 months the Secret Stash guys have gone from hero's with the unisssued Ringleaders and Sharpees 45's to zero's with their current releases. Only last week the great unwashed of Soul Source were hailing Ady Croasdell as the greatest discover of unissued northern with a potential vocal version of Tyler & Davis's "Hold On Help Is On The Way" and this week your giving the Secret Stash guy's a kicking for doing exactly the same, come on double standards or what ! The secret tash guys have spent a lot of hardwork and their own money, buying the mastertapes etc from the family to produce a great product included the unearthing of circa 50 previously unissued tracks thus far !

Thet ought to be applauded not lambasted, for preserving the history and legacy of these great small independent black  Chicago ladels. There's one thing you lot need to remember, no matter how many thousands of pounds you spend on a record you only ever own the carrier not the music, The ownership of the music remains with either the label owners/producers/artists or the person/s to whom they ma have sold the rights on to at a latter date and it is theirs to do what they see fit with period.

Dave

Wotcha Dave. It's one thing to issue unreleased tracks on vinyl but another to re-release tracks on lookalike labels. Other outfits get by releasing series of CD's and this suits plenty of music lovers. It's worth noting that Ady combs through hundreds of studio takes to identify one or two high quality gems for 100 Club exposure and/or Anniversary singles and Kent label releases; wholesale reproduction of dud takes with a few marginally tolerable tracks is hardly something to be applauded. I can remember Rich Rosen trying to sell me 'Ringleaders' carvers a while back - I would be fairly dubious about anything put out by the Ringleaders unless there was sufficient evidence it was absolutely genuine. Sure, legacy is important but so too is the rare soul scene and the rare records it embraces.

Edited March 6, 2015 by FRANKIE CROCKER

[Chalky]

Wotcha Dave. It's one thing to issue unreleased tracks on vinyl but another to re-release tracks on lookalike labels. Other outfits get by releasing series of CD's and this suits plenty of music lovers. It's worth noting that Ady combs through hundreds of studio takes to identify one or two high quality gems for 100 Club exposure and/or Anniversary singles and Kent label releases; wholesale reproduction of dud takes with a few marginally tolerable tracks is hardly something to be applauded. I can remember Rich Rosen trying to sell me 'Ringleaders' carvers a while back - I would be fairly dubious about anything put out by the Ringleaders unless there was sufficient evidence it was absolutely genuine. Sure, legacy is important but so to is the rare soul scene and the rare records it embraces.

 

 

What evidence do you need?  They have posted scans of the origianl tape boxes etc?  Everything is above board and they have done a great job.  The LP's are superb as are the unreleased tracks that have been issued so far.  They are not out to deceive anyone, they are not bootlegging unlike the previous releases of look a like lable ringleader releases.

 

I'm not sure how the Sharpees which is fantastic or the Ringleaders can be classed as dud takes?  Secret Stash have IMO done just as good a job as Kent with the Leaner Brothers material.

Edited March 6, 2015 by chalky

[Guest nickw]

Eric and Will at Secret Stash are unbelievably passionate about Chicago soul music, they are producing arguably some of the highest quality releases available currently and in that, they are bringing unheard music to us all. Do some of you want those tapes laying in the Leaners basement until they are past recovery so we never hear them? Sometimes I despair of peoples insular view of music.  

[Guest Russell H]

I like soul music.

 

I buy soul music so I can listen to it.

[Jazz]

I like soul music.

I buy soul music so I can listen to it.

ditto Edited March 7, 2015 by jazz

[Guest nickw]

I like soul music.

 

I buy soul music so I can listen to it.

 

This !  

[Kegsy]

Wotcha Dave. It's one thing to issue unreleased tracks on vinyl but another to re-release tracks on lookalike labels. Other outfits get by releasing series of CD's and this suits plenty of music lovers. It's worth noting that Ady combs through hundreds of studio takes to identify one or two high quality gems for 100 Club exposure and/or Anniversary singles and Kent label releases; wholesale reproduction of dud takes with a few marginally tolerable tracks is hardly something to be applauded. I can remember Rich Rosen trying to sell me 'Ringleaders' carvers a while back - I would be fairly dubious about anything put out by the Ringleaders unless there was sufficient evidence it was absolutely genuine. Sure, legacy is important but so too is the rare soul scene and the rare records it embraces.

 

Were they sat on top of boxes full of Trickbag ?

He seemed to have a plentiful supply of it last time I was there.

In fact I remember thinking it was well dodgy, and that it had just been pressed up 

off an old master tape or was a taylor made a la The Four Vandals.

As far as I know there are no promo copies and every copy I've ever

seen was brand spanking stone mint.

Edited March 7, 2015 by Kegsy

[Biggordy]

I think it's about time that the legal re-issue companies sued the arse off of people who call them bootleggers etc.

 

That would kill a few egos......

[Frankie Crocker]

Were they sat on top of boxes full of Trickbag ?

He seemed to have a plentiful supply of it last time I was there.

In fact I remember thinking it was well dodgy, and that it had just been pressed up 

off an old master tape or was a taylor made a la The Four Vandals.

As far as I know there are no promo copies and every copy I've ever

seen was brand spanking stone mint.

I'd already had the Excuses via an auction before visiting the Las Vegas store. As I was sorting out the piles into expensive, extortionate and ridiculous, he went around the back and slid this under my nose. He said he had a few and wanted two or three hundred for a copy but this was dependent on how much I spent... I now avoid Las Vegas, much as I like the place, and shun the Las Vegas dealers as too many peddle bootlegs etc.

[Kegsy]

I'd already had the Excuses via an auction before visiting the Las Vegas store. As I was sorting out the piles into expensive, extortionate and ridiculous, he went around the back and slid this under my nose. He said he had a few and wanted two or three hundred for a copy but this was dependent on how much I spent... I now avoid Las Vegas, much as I like the place, and shun the Las Vegas dealers as too many peddle bootlegs etc.

 

There were 4/5 copies of Bettye Swann Kiss My Love Goodbye  plus multiples

of other Atlantic stuff that was going/had gone biggish at the time, in the cheap racks.

I wanted all of them, of course he went into his usual, you can only have

one copy of ANYTHING routine. He was shit scared of people knowing what was what before he did,

and missing out on a few dollars. Especially with UK customers.

Edited March 7, 2015 by Kegsy

[Frankie Crocker]

I think it's about time that the legal re-issue companies sued the arse off of people who call them bootleggers etc.

 

That would kill a few egos......

I don't see anyone accusing this Chicago outfit of anything illegal but the bigger issue is the proliferation of re-issues and especially lookalike labels that are clutterring up the sales lists and DJ playlists. Now, we are looking at a boxed-set trend that puts the scene on a par with Star Wars and Downton Abbey. Nothing wrong with a small, local project salvaging lost master tapes etc but getting pretty fed up with packaged product overwhelming the stacks of decent 60's lesser known records worthy of attention, and certainly worthier than much of the reissued stuff.

[Chalky]

I don't see anyone accusing this Chicago outfit of anything illegal but the bigger issue is the proliferation of re-issues and especially lookalike labels that are clutterring up the sales lists and DJ playlists. Now, we are looking at a boxed-set trend that puts the scene on a par with Star Wars and Downton Abbey. Nothing wrong with a small, local project salvaging lost master tapes etc but getting pretty fed up with packaged product overwhelming the stacks of decent 60's lesser known records worthy of attention, and certainly worthier than much of the reissued stuff.

 

I think most would agree the commercialisation has gone to far or is heading that way with nothing sacred on a once cool scene.  

 

Original vinyl does seem to be taking a back seat.  

 

But I don't see anyone knocking Kent, Soul Junction, even Goldmine/Soul Supply Sevens seem to be getting widely accepted these days why I don't know?

 

So why should Secret Stash be suffering the wrath of collectors?  IMO they have done a fantastic job bringing some superb unreleased as well as remastered work from the M-Pac/One-Derful/Mar-V-Lus stable.  The unissued Sharpees, The Otis Clay given away with the first LP release, absolutely superb examples of uptempo Chicago Soul, and down tempo if you flip them, as good as anything I've heard in the last couple of years.  As said it is all above board, with the co-operation of the Leaner Brothers Estate and some seriously hard work has gone into the reproduction and remastering.

As someone else said what should they do just leave it there to rot?  Should Kent, Soul Junction, Secret Stash and others not bother just to satisfy collectors?  

 

I'm not particularly fond of look-a-like labels but in this case they are done in conjunction with the rightful owners. The other release on Secret Stash's own label, they have done nothing to deceive.

 

This scene is really up its own arse at times, some going that far up it they are stuck there.

 

Some should really start taking it up with those who post up the wants lists of boots etc, start reporting the bootleggers on ebay, stop supporting the venues that play the things if they feel that strongly about it.

Edited March 7, 2015 by chalky

[Mick Holdsworth]

I've noticed Secret Stash appear to have suffered from the bootleggers.

 

The Valdons "Stop, Wait A Minute" is now available on a yellow repress (SS original press is Yellow, and their second press is Gold). There now appears to be a further repress. Yellow label, but nothing like the first two ...

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351330186428

 

I assume it's a boot, as I can't see Secret Stash repressing it yet again, when they still have have Gold copies for sale.

 

Cheers

Mick

[Guest Mrs M]

A very intense topic with a lot of opinions so forgive me if I repeat any of the above. Categorically agree with the 'royalties' and the scepticism surrounding if any are actually being paid to the artists or their families.

Whether they all have an impact on the devaluation of the originals, I don't think so. They may prevent the originals increasing in price but for me that's a good thing. We all know that your lifelong genuine collectors wouldn't even consider anything but the real deal or it would go against what they have honoured for decades. If prices stabilise because of it then a collectors wants list has a chance of becoming reality again. Too many flash, ego fuelled 'Wanabee DJ's' with fat wallets have outpriced so many records for the average hard working man/woman creating silly money price tags whilst lining the pockets of the profit making dealer.

Whoever is pressing them up are driven by greed and shamefully lacking in morals and all the idiots who are buying them blatantly represent the massive influx of middle-aged returnees over the past few years who spent 18 months going to Wigan, wouldn't know an issue, a demo or a bootleg from their retro 1978 Northern Soul attire that has recaptured the youth of the middle aged 'Soulie' who now sadly portray to the media a once cool underground music culture to now be an en vogue resurrected Northern Soul scene dominated in a world of baggie kecked, circle skirted,vested up old folks with KTF and KOKO tattooed on bingo wings and spongy muscles so everyone knows they are Soulies. Ask them what label Eddie Parker is on and they'll say 'I think it's a green one'. Ask them where you would find the snake pit and they would direct you down the path alongside the lake. Ask what is Van McCoy famous for and they'll say that's who Mr M's was named after to honour him fathering all 4 lads from Wigan's Chosen Few and being the voice that said 'Hi There Baby, I'm the Wigan Joker' only hours after finishing the lyrics to Footsee.

My silly sarcasm aside, the whole underhanded money making production they have going on will inevitably catch up with them and the illegal usage of every recording ending in prosecution when thousands of dollars worth of unpaid royalties come to light. I've already read a statement made by an artist who wasn't happy with a certain person who had put out numerous compilation cd's without having legal rights to reproduce. Shame people cannot follow by Ady Croasdell's standards of honour and respect.

Right I've gotta go now to try on my new full cirle skirt and practice my spinning without flashing my new control knickers exclusive to female soulies who find the KTF g-strings on ebay chaffe when doing high kicks and box splits. *Girls are out to get ya wooooo hoooo woooo hooooo'

[Chalky]

Royalties will be paid to whoever the songwriter is and who owns the rights which in most cases won't be those who sang it.

 

Me, I'm eternally grateful for companies like Kent, Numero, Soul junction, Secret Stash and others as this scene would be poorer if they hadn't put the time and effort in to bring us some simply superb soul music and the scene is a better place for some of it.

 

Now those who do it to deceive, be them bootleggers or DJ's should be burnt at the stake.

Edited March 7, 2015 by chalky