Soul-slider Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Not sure if this is the right section, or if this has been discussed before but is there a picture/photo of the group? Are they blue-eyed, Hispanic or Afro American? They sound like blue-eyed soulsters to me.
Chalky Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Not sure if this is the right section, or if this has been discussed before but is there a picture/photo of the group? Are they blue-eyed, Hispanic or Afro American? They sound like blue-eyed soulsters to me. They are most definitely black, four of them.
Goldsoul Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) There should be an article on them which I wrote back in 2011 Check the archive on this site. It's somewhere as a 'news feature' Edited March 1, 2015 by The Golden 101
Guest Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Can't see what difference it makes what colour they are! It should be is it a good record or not, based on the sound, not the colour of their skin! You couldn't get a blacker soul sound than Stax records. Steve Cropper who is white, did an enormous amount of work to create that sound! That is one small example! USA was a melting pot of different people, colours and cultures. Black, White, Italian ,Jewish etc 60's/70's Soul music was created by a mix of USA cultures that all came together in the very late 50's onwards through the coming decades. That's why soul music was made in the USA and not Africa! Edited March 1, 2015 by Guest
Guest Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Can't see what difference it makes what colour they are! It should be is it a good record or not, based on the sound not the colour of their skin! You could not get a blacker soul sound than Stax records and Steve Cropper who is white, did an enormous amount of work to create that sound! That is one small example! USA was a melting pot of different people, colours and cultures. 60's/70's Soul music was created by a mix of USA cultures that all came together in the very late 50's onwards through the coming decades. That's why soul music was made in the USA and not Africa! he only asked a question!
Guest Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) he only asked a question! Well I haven't a lot on today!! But in truth he didn't just ask a question he also said he reckoned the Salvadors were a white group! Whatever that's supposed to mean! Edited March 1, 2015 by Guest
Robbk Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) Not sure if this is the right section, or if this has been discussed before but is there a picture/photo of the group? Are they blue-eyed, Hispanic or Afro American? They sound like blue-eyed soulsters to me. They were a Black group from St. Louis. They started singing while in high school in 1957. They wrote their own songs. From 1957-59, they had 5 members: Gus Winfield, Robert Vincent, Leroy McGhee, Carl Stark and another Carl. In 1960, Donald Lloyd joined, replacing Carl Stark. The other Carl dropped out, making them a foursome. In 1961, his little brother, Flint Lloyd joined, replacing McGhee. In the Nike and Wise World groups, Gus Winfield was the lead, Flint Lloyd was 1st Tenor/Alternate Lead, Donald Lloyd 2nd Tenor, and Robert Vincent sang both the Baritone and Bass parts. Winfield led on""A-E-I-O-U". Flint Lloyd led on the 3 other songs on their 2 releases. They were discovered in 1961, by E. Rodney Jones while he was DJing in St. Louis. He became their manager, and took them to Chuck Colbert in Chicago. who signed them. In late 1961, Colbert recorded them at RCA's Chicago studio, and released a record on the group on his new label, Thor Records. It featured a male version of Luther Dixon's "Mama Said", with of one of The Salvadors' own songs on the flip, titled "A-E-I-O-U". After some local Chicago sales, somehow the owners of another Thor Records, located in New York, found out about it and threatened a lawsuit. So Colbert re-issued it in spring 1962 on his newly-named Nike Records. I found a copy of the Thor WDJ a few months later, with the word "Thor" blacked out with marker, and Nike written by hand. Colbert used Thor DJ copies to promote his new, Nike release. I remember seeing a poster or two with them listed, and seeing a photo of them. They appeared in some venues in Chicago during the early '61 and early '62. Despite the almost 5 years between record releases, the group did make some local appearances between, but only in St. Louis. They broke up in late 1962, but , and again once before 1965. From '65-67, the gigged in St. Louis, unti late 1967, when E. Rodney Jones again took them to Chicago, and hooked them up with Joshie Armstead. She recorded them at Universal Sound. They appeared at a few venues in Chicago, but their record didn't sell at all, and got almost no airplay. It sold moderately in St. Louis, due to their local appearances and consequent popularity. They continued to play venues there until late 1969, when they broke up for the last time. We were correct in guessing that the two different colours on the Wise World label were due to 2 different press runs. One was run in St. Louis to meet local demand there, as the local DJs were playing it, but none of the records from the Chicago press run had made it down there. They had a lot more sales in St. Louis than in Chicago because the group mostly appeared in St. Louis. *What I didn't already know about the group history was taken from group member Flint Lloyd's interview with Bob Abrahamian on his radio show, from his "Sitting In The Park" website. They surely didn't sound like Blue-eyed Soul (Caucasians) to ME! And, since when did Joshie Armstead produce White acts??? Edited March 2, 2015 by RobbK
Robbk Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) Here are scans of their Thor WDJ record: Edited March 2, 2015 by RobbK
Robbk Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Here's The Salvadors' "Daddy Said", remake of Luther Dixon's "Mama Said" from the male point of view, on the proper Nike Records:
Robbk Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) duplicate post Edited March 2, 2015 by RobbK
The Yank Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Thanks for posting- I've never seen the Thor/ Nike promos before.
Robbk Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) Here's the proper Nike "A-E-I-O-U" side: Edited March 2, 2015 by RobbK
Robbk Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Thanks for posting- I've never seen the Thor/ Nike promos before. With a name like "The Yank", and posting in The UK's middle of the night, I assume you are located in USA. Is that so? I find it interesting that you know about a 1961 "poppish" release. Almost nobody but a Chicagoan would know about Colbert's Thor Records. Are you from Chicago?
Chalky Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) Courtesy of Kev Roberts who sent me the photo a few years ago........I think this proves they are black. Edited March 2, 2015 by chalky
Robbk Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 There should be an article on them which I wrote back in 2011 Check the archive on this site. It's somewhere as a 'news feature' I checked the articles on the 11 pages in the News Section, and none of the titles listed "The Salvadors". I'd like to read your article to see if it has anything I missed. Can you please find it for us and direct us to it?
The Yank Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 With a name like "The Yank", and posting in The UK's middle of the night, I assume you are located in USA. Is that so? I find it interesting that you know about a 1961 "poppish" release. Almost nobody but a Chicagoan would know about Colbert's Thor Records. Are you from Chicago? Right on both counts- I'm from the U.S. and live near the Windy City. I didn't even know there was a Thor label before this !
Robbk Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Right on both counts- I'm from the U.S. and live near the Windy City. I didn't even know there was a Thor label before this ! Where exactly in Chicagoland do you live? And how long have you been listening to Soul music?
Robbk Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I'll pm you - I don't want to hijack the thread. I have answered.
Mike Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I checked the articles on the 11 pages in the News Section, and none of the titles listed "The Salvadors". I'd like to read your article to see if it has anything I missed. Can you please find it for us and direct us to it? There should be an article on them which I wrote back in 2011 Check the archive on this site. It's somewhere as a 'news feature' kev here's a list of articles under your name I can't find or recall an article about the salvadors though there was this radio interview post.... and similar from Bob A was there more posted ? cheers mike
Rob Wigley Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Whilst record hunting on the West Coast I came across a whole section of "Salvadores" records, unfortunately they were all by a local "Hispanic" group !
Soul-slider Posted March 4, 2015 Author Posted March 4, 2015 Whilst record hunting on the West Coast I came across a whole section of "Salvadores" records, unfortunately they were all by a local "Hispanic" group ! Which brings to my original question, didn't mean it to sound like a daft question but it was the name that threw me, it just sounded Hispanic and with the exposure on Elaine's NS film thought I'd start a thread about them as I never heard that much on them. I thought they sounded blue-eyed (or maybe 'brown-eyed' which is another term I've heard used), but hey, people in the States thought the Righteous Brothers were Afro-Americans! I do collect blue-eyed/Carolina Soul myself and was just wondering if I should put the Salvadors on a blue-eyed CD compilation I was putting together for the car. Obviously now I know. Thanks guys for all the great information.
Soul-slider Posted March 4, 2015 Author Posted March 4, 2015 Wonder if any group members are still around and know about their fame on the NS scene? Just imagine their faces if they were to watch Elaine's film!
Steve Foran Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 A relative ( son or nephew) posted on You Tube a couple of years ago after someone here put up SBMB. He gave names etc it was on the comments section down the left hand side.
Robbk Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Wonder if any group members are still around and know about their fame on the NS scene? Just imagine their faces if they were to watch Elaine's film! Flint Lloyd, still living in St. Louis found out about his group's fame when he was contacted by Bob Abrahamian for his interview about the group. The one other group member is still alive, Robert Vincent, who now lives in Seattle. He was contacted by Lloyd, and told about their Northern Soul fame. Lloyd has a new group that appears at venues in the St. Louis Area. I wonder if Bob A. connected him with anyone in The UK that could have arranged for him to bring his new group to Britain to perform, (especially as Flint Lloyd was the lead on the two Wise World cuts)?
Goldsoul Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Robb- I found Flint and put him in touch with Bob A. I declined bringing them into the UK as the lead singer is deceased plus there's only 1 or 2 originals remaining.
Guest Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 In case anyone missed Mikes post # 23. This is the late Bob Abrahamians (Boba) interview with Flint Lloyd from 13/6/2010. https://www.sittinginthepark.com/interviews/salvadors-6-13-2010.mp3
Robbk Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) Robb- I found Flint and put him in touch with Bob A. I declined bringing them into the UK as the lead singer is deceased plus there's only 1 or 2 originals remaining. I thought Flint said in his interview that HE had sung lead on the Wise World cuts. If so, why wouldn't his singing with a backup group be good enough? Gus Winfield (deceased) was the original and main lead, sang lead on the Thor/Nike cuts. But, I seem to remember that Flint said that HE, himself, sang lead on the Wise World cuts. Now I see that I heard it incorrectly, as Donald Lloyd was the lead on the Wise World cut. So, as Donald is deceased, and Flint is the only member of the group who still sings (Robert Vincent in Seattle, is retired), there was no demand to bring Flint and his new group to The UK. Edited March 7, 2015 by RobbK
Goldsoul Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 If anyone wants to bring Flint and his new group into the UK, I will supply contact details.
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