Couple of days on this,think we`ve finaly know whats what?,but you never know...do you?

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We have two we think are ok,but if anybody knows diferant?

In Manship's Price Guide 3rd Edition it has;

Legend L-1001 @ £75 - (Case Of Tyme)

Legend L-1014 @ £30 - (James Lewis and the Case Of Tyme)

So i was right,1014 is first of Case of time with J Lewis,now next question,is it the same?

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by ken

QUOTE(mark.b @ Aug 21 2006, 10:39 PM) link i am not a big gun but i always thought that it was yellow with red writing that were the originals.

mark more of a saturday night special than a magnum

Edited August 21, 200618 yr by 45cellar

  ken said:

Couple of days on this,think we`ve finaly know whats what?,but you never know...do you?

/

We have two we think are ok,but if anybody knows diferant?

In Manship's Price Guide 3rd Edition it has;

Legend L-1001 @ £75 - (Case Of Tyme)

Legend L-1014 @ £30 - (James Lewis and the Case Of Tyme)

So i was right,1014 is first of Case of time with J Lewis,now next question,is it the same?

  ken said:

My copy on Yellow/Red is unplayable.

I used to play the Green copy out and about in the seventies. Nobody ever said it was different in any way to listen to. They certainly Danced to it, anyway, which was the main objective at the time. "Shop At Tesco's" used to get shouted when it was played.

As far as I'm aware, It was just re-issued on a later number and James Lewis had by that time become the Named lead - Just Like Diana Ross & the Supremes etc.

Edited August 21, 200618 yr by 45cellar

  45cellar said:

My copy on Yellow/Red is unplayable.

I used to play the Green copy out and about in the seventies. Nobody ever said it was different in any way to listen to.

As far as I'm aware, It was just re-issued on a later number and James Lewis had become the Named lead - Like Diana Ross & the Supremes etc.

So a reissue,then Mr Cellar ,so were stukc with gettin` a green-un then,with paper label,on styrene,with scratched in matrix then?,

Miff will be miffed!!

Edited August 21, 200618 yr by ken

  ken said:

So a reissue,then Mr Cellar ,so were stukc with gettin` a green-un then,with paper label,on styrene,with scratched in matrix then?,

To the best of my knowledge the copy I have, on Styrene, Green Label with the Scratched in ZTSC Matrix is the Original first Issue.

Edited August 21, 200618 yr by 45cellar

  45cellar said:

To the best of my knowledge the copy I have, on Styrene, Green Label with the Scratched in ZTSC Matrix is the first Issue.

I`m orf to bed now,i`ll be dreaming about finding one like yours cheers Cellar.

A bukcet then the sakc for me,good-night

Edited August 21, 200618 yr by ken

  ken said:

I`m orf to bed now,i`ll be dreaming about finding one like yours cheers Cellar.

A bukcet then the sakc for me,good-night

Like I say, I hope you find one.

All the Best

in the eighties it was......dont know where u are,or where u been,but u been taking amphetamin,shop at tesco

Well , I should modestly call myself a "small gun" !!!

I have both the yellow bootleg and the yellow original.

The yellow one with LEGEND in RED is a 100% ORIGINAL

But yours Ken, the yellow one with LEGEND in BLACK is a 100% BOOT !!!

No comment about the green styrene ....

Edited August 21, 200618 yr by sunnysoul

  arnie j said:

in the eighties it was......dont know where u are,or where u been,but u been taking amphetamin,shop at tesco

Thanks for that i think

  sunnysoul said:

Well , I should modestly call myself a "small gun" !!!

I have both the yellow bootleg and the yellow original.

The yellow one with LEGEND in RED is a 100% ORIGINAL

But yours Ken, the yellow one with LEGEND in BLACK is a 100% BOOT !!!

No comment about the green styrene ....

Prove it i think some pictures might be in order,add to the dubious pictures allready posted,little gun...................Pea shooter more like!! maybe?anyway red i have decided is a 100% re-issue,as it is four numbers later,as stated previously issued without Mr Lewis,cant argue with that,or can you?,unless differant cut but so far as we can make,its the same,so sorry to piss on your parade join Miff.............................

And PeteS.........

Edited August 21, 200618 yr by ken

  ken said:

Prove it i think some pictures might be in order,add to the dubious pictures allready posted,little gun...................Pea shooter more like!! maybe?anyway red i have decided is a 100% re-issue,as it is four numbers later,as stated previously issued without Mr Lewis,cant argue with that,or can you?,unless differant cut but so far as we can make,its the same,so sorry to piss on your parade join Miff.............................

And PeteS.........

But Ken , scans of both yellow discs have already been put up ! The pictures aren't dubious at all !

And why do you say one is " 4 numbers later" ?

They BOTH have the SAME number release "1014" .

As Pete Smith says - it's very simple - the one with legend in red is the ORIGINAL !

Your one with Legend in black is a boot !!! Why so hard to work out ?

Cheers mate !!!

  sunnysoul said:

But Ken , scans of both yellow discs have already been put up ! The pictures aren't dubious at all !

And why do you say one is " 4 numbers later" ?

They BOTH have the SAME number release "1014" .

As Pete Smith says - it's very simple - the one with legend in red is the ORIGINAL !

Your one with Legend in black is a boot !!! Why so hard to work out ?

Cheers mate !!!

If you look at the original styrene,paper label,scratched ZTSC copy,the number is 1001,and differant produced,you can see for yourself somewhere in the thread,and as somebody said it was done later,with J Lewis added,and i realize my yellow one,is iffy....no arguement there,or have the rules changed

oops,14 numbers later. there for you,see it and weep

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by ken

  ken said:

If you look at the original styrene,paper label,scratched ZTSC copy,the number is 1001,and differant produced,you can see for yourself somewhere in the thread,and as somebody said it was done later,with J Lewis added,and i realize my yellow one,is iffy....no arguement there,or have the rules changed

oops,14 numbers later. there for you,see it and weep

New question,is it acceptable to play the red and yellow one?out

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by ken

  ken said:

New question,is it acceptable to play the red and yellow one?out

Just noticed extra 10 seconds on the green,have a look!!,so well could be differant takes?,so both could be original,anybody wanna` take issue?.

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by ken

  ken said:

Just noticed extra 10 seconds on the green,have a look!!,so well could be differant takes?,so both could be original,anybody wanna` take issue?.

hope this works.

Oooh eh!!

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by ken

  ken said:

New question,is it acceptable to play the red and yellow one?out

Of course it is ! The yellow and red is the ORIGINAL for god's sake !!! Ken , what on earth are you on, mate !

  sunnysoul said:

Of course it is ! The yellow and red is the ORIGINAL for god's sake !!! Ken , what on earth are you on, mate !

What do you mean?,they are both real,but differant............one made before the other,so whats the green one then?,a reissue with a lower number?......,i concede a point,come on call the green one a boot then!!i tell you the timings are differant,means nothing to you...........why?

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by ken

If the green one IS really ten seconds longer it must be the original unless it's a legitimate re-press using the master tape which would be pretty unlikely.

  benji said:

doh, pete, you're right. didn't have the manship guide at hand when i posted. original "case of tyme" is green with stamped ZTSC matrix. manship guide doesn't really say there's an original crediting "james lewis ...", he says "bootlegged twice with a yellow label black lettering. once in vinyl, once in styrene, delta #102883"

IMO this means, there's no original "james lewis...", what do you think?

Well for a start it was bootlegged more than twice with yellow labels, there's a terrible quality one which was done in 1975 along with bobby paris - night owl - which was also bad, bought both of these from an ad in Black Music magazine. There's also a white label black lettering copy which can be dismissed immediately.

Most or maybe all of the yellow ones with red logo don't have a stamp on them of any sort, just a number. That green styrene copy is lovely, never had that.

  ady croasdell said:

If the green one IS really ten seconds longer it must be the original unless it's a legitimate re-press using the master tape which would be pretty unlikely.

It's edited differently on the instrumental break (and I also thought the end was different)

  Pete-S said:

It's edited differently on the instrumental break (and I also thought the end was different)

Cheers Pete,for that........so we can agree,there are two issue`s............both differant,both original,ie;one is deffinitly a allternative take,either speedin` the master up or more likely,using a differant master,so ok to play both out,but one is deffinitely more real than the other,and my money is on the green one,pluss it all so reflected in the Ovenchipe guid,£30 for a yellow and red(but they all might not be?),and £70 for your Green,paper label,scratched in,styrene copy so my yellow one,might still be real its a good quality boot if not .

I`m sure somebody will know differant Or post a white demo,for us to rip-apart............oooooh eh.

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by ken

Yellow with red logo is original.

Green styrene is original.

One is a slightly different edit, not a different mix or speeded up version.

The more I think about, the more I'm positive that it has a small part of the instrumental break cut.

Thats it!

  Pete-S said:

Yellow with red logo is original.

Green styrene is original.

One is a slightly different edit, not a different mix or speeded up version.

The more I think about, the more I'm positive that it has a small part of the instrumental break cut.

Thats it!

So simple really,not ,so which is the original original then. glad i pointed out the differance first,so not a wasted thread

  ken said:

So simple really,not ,so which is the original original then. glad i pointed out the differance first,so not a wasted thread

Well ime just pleased that ive only paid a tenner to much rather then 40 quid for a boot

thanks to all the guns what ever your size, that posted up a reply

any one fancy sending me an mp3 of the longer version so i can listern and compare

  miff said:

Well ime just pleased that ive only paid a tenner to much rather then 40 quid for a boot

thanks to all the guns what ever your size, that posted up a reply

any one fancy sending me an mp3 of the longer version so i can listern and compare

Would be intresting,i think?,dont think anybody is bothered about this thread anymore.we`ll see?,and we have established Y+R is original,of that version,and Y+B are boots,but not em` all though maybe?,only deffo` first is G+B,paper,styrene copy,with scratched matrix,be nice to know the real story,but dont look like we might get it,cheers Miff. Now anybody got mp3 of the G+B for Miff?..........thanks for everybodys input.Ken

Ok, ok...what about my copy then. Got it around 15 years ago (can't remember where)...

white label L-1001, black lettering, styrene stick on label, ZTSC - 148638 scratched in the run out groove, credited to 'Case Of Time' ...LEDGEND logo across the top (in black) and not down the side. Demo copy then?

Shop in Norwich has the yellow one with red LEDGEND for sale as a boot.

  Soul-Slider said:

Ok, ok...what about my copy then. Got it around 15 years ago (can't remember where)...

white label L-1001, black lettering, styrene stick on label, ZTSC - 148638 scratched in the run out groove, credited to 'Case Of Time' ...LEDGEND logo across the top (in black) and not down the side. Demo copy then?

Shop in Norwich has the yellow one with red LEDGEND for sale as a boot.

Sounds iffy,wanna` sell it? ,and red and yellow,how much is it?,if its cheap £15 or less i`ll have it.How about a scan of you`re styrene copy?,cheers Ken

  Soul-Slider said:

Ok, ok...what about my copy then. Got it around 15 years ago (can't remember where)...

white label L-1001, black lettering, styrene stick on label, ZTSC - 148638 scratched in the run out groove, credited to 'Case Of Time' ...LEDGEND logo across the top (in black) and not down the side. Demo copy then?

Shop in Norwich has the yellow one with red LEDGEND for sale as a boot.

Sounds iffy,wanna` sell it? ,and red and yellow,how much is it?,if its cheap £15 or less i`ll have it.How about a scan of you`re styrene copy?,cheers Ken

PS how long is your one?2.15 like G+W or 2.05 same as Y+R?

Come on Slider,dont take too long,to think about it offer wont be here forever

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by ken

  ken said:

Sounds iffy,wanna` sell it? ,and red and yellow,how much is it?,if its cheap £15 or less i`ll have it.How about a scan of you`re styrene copy?,cheers Ken

PS how long is your one?2.15 like G+W or 2.05 same as Y+R?

Come on Slider,dont take too long,to think about it offer wont be here forever

Quiet at the bakc ........................oh you are!!

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by ken

  ken said:

Quiet at the bakc ........................oh you are!!

Ikcle bump,before me bukcet..........no more different copys,that need investergated` then?

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by ken

  ken said:

Sounds iffy,wanna` sell it? ,and red and yellow,how much is it?,if its cheap £15 or less i`ll have it.How about a scan of you`re styrene copy?,cheers Ken

PS how long is your one?2.15 like G+W or 2.05 same as Y+R?

Come on Slider,dont take too long,to think about it offer wont be here forever

P.m'd you Ken, running time on mine is 3.15 and looks kosher!

  Soul-Slider said:

P.m'd you Ken, running time on mine is 3.15 and looks kosher!

So Y+R,is lookin` second best then?,and more like a reissue/retake/local issue/Canadian/foriegn/counterfit fukc knows what?

Might be some more life in this thread,we`ll see..........cheers Slider

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by ken

  ken said:

So Y+R,is lookin` second best then?,and more like a reissue/retake/local issue/Canadian/foriegn/counterfit fukc knows what?

Might be some more life in this thread,we`ll see..........cheers Slider

Good-night

Here's a scan of the white label styrene copy, which I guess is the same one mentioned by Soul-Slider above. It's definitely a bootleg:

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by Sebastian

  Sebastian said:

Here's a scan of the white label styrene copy, which I guess is the same one mentioned by Soul-Slider above. It's definitely a bootleg:

Again looks well nice,????

  ken said:

Again looks well nice,????

It might very well look good, but the point is that it's a bootleg.

  Sebastian said:

It might very well look good, but the point is that it's a bootleg.

Not arguing whatsoever,seen em` before............wouldnt buy one for a £5,no point its so obvious sounds like slider`s thing,but wait and see,hope not .Cheers Sebastian

Thanks for clearing up the fact that mine is an original with legend in red and all that. I think I paid £5 for it in some toilets in Brighton in 1990.

  71TRSC said:

Thanks for clearing up the fact that mine is an original with legend in red and all that. I think I paid £5 for it in some toilets in Brighton in 1990.

Rub it in why dont you

just as a point of intrest any one wanna give a value for the green orig & the yellow orig

as i stated above i paid 40 for mine which i was happy to pay at the time. and will never part with it. and seems a fair price to me

  miff said:

Rub it in why dont you

just as a point of intrest any one wanna give a value for the green orig & the yellow orig

as i stated above i paid 40 for mine which i was happy to pay at the time. and will never part with it. and seems a fair price to me

Ovenchips+£60 G+B and £30 for Y+R,second take

Edited August 23, 200618 yr by ken

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Edited August 23, 200618 yr by ken

  Soul-Slider said:

Ok, ok...what about my copy then. Got it around 15 years ago (can't remember where)...

white label L-1001, black lettering, styrene stick on label, ZTSC - 148638 scratched in the run out groove, credited to 'Case Of Time' ...LEDGEND logo across the top (in black) and not down the side. Demo copy then?

Shop in Norwich has the yellow one with red LEDGEND for sale as a boot.

Bootleg, worth 10 pence.

(oops sorry didn't realise someone else already said so)

p.s. shop in Norwich sold me an original of Dickie Wonder as a boot!

Edited August 23, 200618 yr by Pete-S

  Pete-S said:

Bootleg, worth 10 pence.

(oops sorry didn't realise someone else already said so)

p.s. shop in Norwich sold me an original of Dickie Wonder as a boot!

Secured that red/yellow 'Case Of Tyme' off that shop in Norwich.

By the way Pete, same shop sold me a Moses Smith (Girl Across...) deffo original for £7.

Sorry Ken, white one's same as scan....but who really ever knows? It's a great recording and styrene/label is perfect.

  Soul-Slider said:

Secured that red/yellow 'Case Of Tyme' off that shop in Norwich.

By the way Pete, same shop sold me a Moses Smith (Girl Across...) deffo original for £7.

Sorry Ken, white one's same as scan....but who really ever knows? It's a great recording and styrene/label is perfect.

Well i`m bakc to Y+B,if thats a boot,i`ll wear sokcs at the 100 club anniversary

  ken said:

Well i`m bakc to Y+B,if thats a boot,i`ll wear sokcs at the 100 club anniversary

Will you be taking this with you Ken?

Mines like yours,I always thought it was a

boot but its not now,not until this can is closed.

As no ones coming forward with a sound file can someone time the green & black orig to see if it is actully longer, might just explain the release of the yellow & red one if they messed up with the time on the first press if you know what i mean

Edited August 23, 200618 yr by miff

just spoted jm reading this thred you wrote the book whats the answers

  miff said:

just spoted jm reading this thred you wrote the book whats the answers

He`s buggered off,maybe he knows bugger all I`m moving to Norwich

Edited August 23, 200618 yr by ken

  ken said:

if thats a boot,i`ll wear sokcs at the 100 club anniversary

Bloody hell Ken, we dont want hell to freeze over