Soul Shrews Posted August 31, 2006 Author Share Posted August 31, 2006 Here's the cover - not much to go on alas: Well thats as clear as mud then! Wanna sell it Stuart? Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted August 31, 2006 Author Share Posted August 31, 2006 Here's the cover - not much to go on alas: Seems to be three silhouette faces on there too,Stuart? Bert goes surreal? We should be told Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pomonkey Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Also the manic Decca rerecording of Screaming Jay Hawkins - I put a spell on you Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted August 31, 2006 Author Share Posted August 31, 2006 Also the manic Decca rerecording of Screaming Jay Hawkins - I put a spell on you Never realised that was Bert, thanks pomonkey 'Tho have to confess I prefer Nina Simones version Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted September 2, 2006 Author Share Posted September 2, 2006 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Never realised that was Bert, thanks pomonkey 'Tho have to confess I prefer Nina Simones version Cheers Paul Not the same record Paco Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted September 2, 2006 Author Share Posted September 2, 2006 Not the same record Paco Thanks Ken Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest MARTIN SNOW Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 one of the strangest records I have with Bert on is by "US" on a Spring 45 from 1974. Tracks are "Ostrich", flipped with "Excuse me". Average white sounding funk with a slight rocky edge, anyone else got this one ? Heres a few more good track with Bert involved : Charisma Band on Buddah Aint nothing like', Earls Going Downtown Linda Hopkins In your blood Jeree Palmer Flattery Sister Sledge Dont you miss him now Lenny Welch Eye witness news Unlimited Touch First LP Starpoint Keep on it LP Karavan The funk is gonna get you yet Passion Dont stop my love Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted September 7, 2006 Author Share Posted September 7, 2006 Heres a few more good track with Bert involved : Charisma Band on Buddah Aint nothing like', Linda Hopkins In your blood Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 one of the strangest records I have with Bert on is by "US" on a Spring 45 from 1974. Tracks are "Ostrich", flipped with "Excuse me". Average white sounding funk with a slight rocky edge, anyone else got this one ? Heres a few more good track with Bert involved : Charisma Band on Buddah Aint nothing like', Earls Going Downtown Linda Hopkins In your blood Jeree Palmer Flattery Sister Sledge Dont you miss him now Lenny Welch Eye witness news Unlimited Touch First LP Starpoint Keep on it LP Karavan The funk is gonna get you yet Passion Dont stop my love Hi Martin, are the Passion and Unlimited Touch on Prelude? Which label is Jeree Palmer? Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Paul Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hello, I did find out that Bert de Coteaux is deceased and, yes, he was black - even though his name suggested otherwise. Paul Mooney Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest melandthensome Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Great thread I tried to start one on another forum about bert and his material but didnt get much replies......I have a lot of scans of his stuff and if get any time will post. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hello, I did find out that Bert de Coteaux is deceased and, yes, he was black - even though his name suggested otherwise. Paul Mooney Thanks for the info Paul. Sorry to hear he's passed. Cheers Paul Great thread I tried to start one on another forum about bert and his material but didnt get much replies......I have a lot of scans of his stuff and if get any time will post. Yes please melandthensome! Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Benson Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Great thread I tried to start one on another forum about bert and his material but didnt get much replies......I have a lot of scans of his stuff and if get any time will post. Hi Mel, Do you have one by Linda Lewis from the 80's? (title escapes me right now) - it's on some UK label like KRL or similar (Kalaidoscope Records Ltd?) It's got Bert's name on it - which is why I picked it up at the time. It might be called "Come on back" - nice mid tempo thing, I'll have to dig it out again Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Benson Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Which label is Jeree Palmer? Cheers Paul Columbia - around 1974 I think, I have a demo of "Flattery" somewhere Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest melandthensome Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Allright john thats a new one on me mate thanks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Benson Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 OK Mel - Watch this space! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted December 6, 2006 Author Share Posted December 6, 2006 Columbia - around 1974 I think, I have a demo of "Flattery" somewhere Thanks for that John Just read somewhere else that Tony Sylvester had recently died, anyone confirm? Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Benson Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Right, here it is - Linda Lewis "Why can't I be the other woman" / "Come on back" on UK Kaleidoscope records - KRL A 2860 (1982) Both sides are produced by Bert Decoteaux, the A side was written by Linda Lewis & T Attel while Linda wrote the flip side on her own. The 45 doesn't appear to have been released in the states either (as far as I can tell) It comes in a rather naff picture cover of Linda in one of those white frilly 'School marm' blouses and a black bow tie - very off putting really If it wasn't for Bert's name in the credits I wouldn't have bothered picking it up in the first place Anyway, if anyone wants to have a listen - here it is: Come_on_back___Linda_Lewis.mp3 It might not be to everyone's taste, but it tends to grow on you after a while Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Benson Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Jeree Palmer - "Flattery" / "Will You Keep Love All To Yourself" Columbia 10123 (1975) Not my copy, but 'borowed' from the net Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Thanks for that John Just read somewhere else that Tony Sylvester had recently died, anyone confirm? Cheers Paul Hi Paul, that's a yes on that I'm afraid, sometime late november, read a little obit' dated 27th so possibly sometime round then, and Bert too, shame. R I P Derek. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 Hi Paul, that's a yes on that I'm afraid, sometime late november, read a little obit' dated 27th so possibly sometime round then, and Bert too, shame. R I P Derek. Thanks for confirming that Derek. Sad news, so they're both gone but thier musical legacy will live on through us.Like so many others they never got thier proper recognition while they could appreciate it. At least ole Norberts back on the Soul Source "front page". Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sunnysoul Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Just pulled out my copy of Adam Wade "That Old Devil Moon" on Warner Brothers and realised it has arranging credits to Bert DeCoteaux Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 Right, here it is - Linda Lewis "Why can't I be the other woman" / "Come on back" on UK Kaleidoscope records - KRL A 2860 (1982) Both sides are produced by Bert Decoteaux, the A side was written by Linda Lewis & T Attel while Linda wrote the flip side on her own. The 45 doesn't appear to have been released in the states either (as far as I can tell) It comes in a rather naff picture cover of Linda in one of those white frilly 'School marm' blouses and a black bow tie - very off putting really If it wasn't for Bert's name in the credits I wouldn't have bothered picking it up in the first place Anyway, if anyone wants to have a listen - here it is: Come_on_back___Linda_Lewis.mp3 It might not be to everyone's taste, but it tends to grow on you after a while Thanks for that John, maybe one for Simon Whites Manifesto column! Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest melandthensome Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Cheers john much appreciated mate Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Dunno how I've missed this great thread ! I looked for info on Bert about two years and came up with very little. I'll have a look see if I can find any notes. That Linda Lewis looks interesting...... ....and what a nice little record Jeree Palmer is. One I noticed recently as a Bert credit ( 'Orchestra Directed by') is 'She's Together/ Try some Of Mine' by Little Richard on the Brunswick label recorded in New York in 1967. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Any Soul Sourcers got any information about this fabulous writer/producer/arranger? Worked with Marlena Shaw and the Main Ingredient in the 70's to name but two, but I also believe he was involved with some rare/northern 60's as Norbert deCoteaux? Asking this partly as a favour for a non Soul Source friend, who asked Marlena Shaw about him at the Jazz Cafe a couple of years ago. Unfortunately she could only tell him how to pronounce deCoteaux correctly! Thanks in advance Paul Woosnam Hi Paul, Bert's an amazing guy who did a lot of work with and for my father. In fact his first major session as an arranger was on the Pat Lundy "City Of Stones" dates that Jimmy produced with John Hammond on Columbia. I'll post some pics from the session in an album. Anyway Bert actually got his start doing charts for demo sessions where he and me pops became fast friends. His amazing career credits twould be way to long to list here but suffice it to say he has seen them come and he has seen them go. An iteresting side note that not to many people know is that he has a twin brother who conducted for the San Francisco Philharmonic for many years - a vary musical family indeed! Peace Chris Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Wow, this is what it's all about infornmation straight from the horses mouth so to speak! Welcome to Soul Source, Chris. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Hi Paul, Bert's an amazing guy who did a lot of work with and for my father. In fact his first major session as an arranger was on the Pat Lundy "City Of Stones" dates that Jimmy produced with John Hammond on Columbia. I'll post some pics from the session in an album. Anyway Bert actually got his start doing charts for demo sessions where he and me pops became fast friends. His amazing career credits twould be way to long to list here but suffice it to say he has seen them come and he has seen them go. An iteresting side note that not to many people know is that he has a twin brother who conducted for the San Francisco Philharmonic for many years - a vary musical family indeed! Peace Chris Great little piece of info re' Bert and to see pics of him at work would be good too and I'm sure that would please Paul, (who started off this fine thread) no end, we've been trying to raise pics of Bert for months now, so, yes please Chris post 'em up, thanks in anticipation. Derek. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 Hi Paul, Bert's an amazing guy who did a lot of work with and for my father. In fact his first major session as an arranger was on the Pat Lundy "City Of Stones" dates that Jimmy produced with John Hammond on Columbia. I'll post some pics from the session in an album. Anyway Bert actually got his start doing charts for demo sessions where he and me pops became fast friends. His amazing career credits twould be way to long to list here but suffice it to say he has seen them come and he has seen them go. An iteresting side note that not to many people know is that he has a twin brother who conducted for the San Francisco Philharmonic for many years - a vary musical family indeed! Peace Chris Wow Chris what a great post!! Fantastic to have some "inside" information on Bert, I didn't realise he'd worked with Pat Lundy, another fine talented artist. Like you say he does have amazing career credits which is one of the reasons we found it so strange that he remained such an enigma to us. Please feel free to add anymore info it is MUCH appreciated, and the prospect of some photos of the great man in action so to speak is probably gonna keep me awake all night! Thanks very much, Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted December 9, 2006 Author Share Posted December 9, 2006 Great little piece of info re' Bert and to see pics of him at work would be good too and I'm sure that would please Paul, (who started off this fine thread) no end, we've been trying to raise pics of Bert for months now, so, yes please Chris post 'em up, thanks in anticipation. Derek. Yes, Derek I'm well pleased to finally get some "inside" info. Can"t take all the credit for the thread tho, like I said in my first post(which seems an awful long time ago now) I'm asking partly on behalf of a non soul source friend, John 'Kipper' Kerr, whos off to the 100 club tonight so you can give him a pat on the back if you're going! Appreciate your contribution too mate, lets hope those photos come through and Chris has some more Bert tales. Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Yes, Derek I'm well pleased to finally get some "inside" info. Can"t take all the credit for the thread tho, like I said in my first post(which seems an awful long time ago now) I'm asking partly on behalf of a non soul source friend, John 'Kipper' Kerr, whos off to the 100 club tonight so you can give him a pat on the back if you're going! Appreciate your contribution too mate, lets hope those photos come through and Chris has some more Bert tales. Cheers Paul Knew you'd be pleased Paul, must admit to being well chuffed myself when I read Chris' post, I'll be sending any pics on to a mate who's been digging for Bert too, so fingers crossed. I will be going down the 100 Club and will ask around and keep an eye out for John, it'll be good to put a face to the man who set us off on this (not so now) wild goose chase..... Derek. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted December 9, 2006 Author Share Posted December 9, 2006 Knew you'd be pleased Paul, must admit to being well chuffed myself when I read Chris' post, I'll be sending any pics on to a mate who's been digging for Bert too, so fingers crossed. I will be going down the 100 Club and will ask around and keep an eye out for John, it'll be good to put a face to the man who set us off on this (not so now) wild goose chase..... Derek. Sure Ken will introduce you. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Platters 81 Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 ...some super Bert productions.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest melandthensome Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 This is probably somewhere on here but anyway......and hey jim I was gonna add a couple you just posted mate.......LOL Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted December 9, 2006 Author Share Posted December 9, 2006 ...some super Bert productions.... Nice one platters! Don't know those. This is probably somewhere on here but anyway......and hey jim I was gonna add a couple you just posted mate.......LOL You"re just showing off now mel Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted December 10, 2006 Author Share Posted December 10, 2006 Dunno how I've missed this great thread ! I do wish you'd pay attention Simon Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest melandthensome Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 have more to follow Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted December 10, 2006 Author Share Posted December 10, 2006 have more to follow Wow keep "em coming mel please. Great stuff! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Paul, go to the gallery, Chris has posted up a pictture of the Man....at last we can see Bert. Met up with John at the100 Club, no doubt talked his ear off! bought a record off him too Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 Paul, go to the gallery, Chris has posted up a pictture of the Man....at last we can see Bert. Met up with John at the100 Club, no doubt talked his ear off! bought a record off him too Great stuff eh Derek! I'll let John know later, can just picture him running down to the computer shop first thing tommorrow! Hope you got a good deal on your record. Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Nice one platters! Don't know those. Cheers Paul Top tunes Paco,used to have em`all not now tho`,idiot idea sellin`em,and for nothin`like what they`re makin`now Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest melandthensome Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Just like to thank you for the picture great stuff...... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 (edited) Just like to thank you for the picture great stuff...... Yes Mel I agree. Chris, can"t thank you enough for putting that picture up Such a slight looking figure for such a huge talent! Cheers Paul Edited December 11, 2006 by soul shrews Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Hi Paul, Good news, of a sort, I've just heard from David who runs the mag "In The Basement", he was talking to Buddy Scott who told him that Bert is very much alive, but very ill and confined to a wheelchair and that he did manage to attend the funeral of Tony Sylvester. So, though it does not bode well, it is good to know that our man is still hanging in there. Derek. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Hi! Just came across this forum and wanted to add my 2 cents. I worked with Bert, for about a year, on a project (The Pati Brothers) @ Columbia Records in the early 80's. He was a truly wonderful person and, without a doubt, a super talented musician. His talents were not being utilized by Columbia; the fact was that he was the only person on the A&R staff who was under contract, and it certainly appeared (to me) as though he was just being given menial tasks here and there...just running the clock. He did have the freedom of signing an occasional artist to production deal which was the case with TPB. Man, did he LOVE this music! I remember sending him an 8 track demo of a particular song and him calling me absolutely raving about how great it he though it was. And man, when he liked something he would curse up a storm while talking about it!! He, most definitely, was not a foul mouthed guy but when the music got to him he just couldn't control himself! Bert had such a great spirit about him, he was SO excited about the music/artist we were working with and it was very contagious. One of Bert's greatest talents was the ability to work with an artist without stepping on his/hers toes. In the case of TPB, there were plenty of emotions present at the sessions; Bert would throw ideas out and if they were met with any opposition he would just say "ok, if you don't like it we won't do it". He never made the artist feel pressured or that the music was being compromised. Don't get me wrong, most of his ideas were right on the money! The end result was a very nice collaboration which absolutely worked. In closing I just want to say that this man was so important to us guys back then; he treated us like royalty...and he certainly didn't have to as we were just 3 young guys with absolutely no professional background, or connections/clout...he just loved the music. I am hoping that the news of his death is incorrect as I would love to speak with him again, but if that is not the case I still have wonderful memories of Bert Decoteaux and the honor of having known and worked with him. P.S. Actually, the master tapes of those 26 year old Pati Brothers demo sessions were just recovered and remixed. I am expecting a disc in the mail today...so; I'll probably be back praising Bert again later!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 Thanks for sharing that Oldliason any "personal" memories of Bert are really welcome Cheers Paul PS Good luck with your music !!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 I'll See If I Can't Track Down Bert's Brother As Well. I've This Phone Book Here That List All The Greats, From Back In The Day, Home Number And Address' For Guys Like Bert Decoteaux, Bernard Purdie, Quincy Jones, List All The Studios On Braodway, Publishing Houses, Hotels, Some Nightclubs, Ray Pollard, Gloria Lynne, Anita Humes (The Essex), Barbara English, Ellie Greenwich, Steve Karmen, Arthur Prysock, Otis Pollard, Ehster Phillips, Shelby Singleton, Papa Don, Luther Simmons (Main Ingredient), Adam Wade, Dee Warwick, Teacho Wiltshire,Nat Tarnapol... everybody! Twould Make A Fine Addition To Any New York Collectors Booty Aye? Perhaps I Could Be Pursuded To Part With It. Cheers! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 Hi Chris Can you confirm if Berts still alive ? Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Hi Chris Can you confirm if Berts still alive ? Cheers Paul The Last Number I Had On Him In New Jersey Is Not Good Anymore But I'll Ask Some People. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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