Pete S Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I was thinking, if Al Kent was a musician not a vocalist, his records include You Gotta Pay The Price and Ooh Pretty Lady - and when he played in the UK, he did not perform his classic The Way You've Been Acting Lately...then this is my question....who actually is the vocalist on The Way You've Been Acting Lately, because he's bloomin' good - Edwin Starr?? 2
Md Records Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I was always led to believe it was Tommy Smiley, who recorded on Marquee Des 1
Rob Moss Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 He told me, years ago, that the only reason he sang it was that he couldn't afford to pay another vocalist. He has sung on other records and was with a singing group in his teens. 2
Premium Stuff Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I was always led to believe it was Tommy Smiley, who recorded on Marquee Des That's what I understood too Des. Never found any evidence to support this, despite asking. The voice definitely sounds very similar. Cheers Richard
Pete S Posted February 3, 2015 Author Posted February 3, 2015 He told me, years ago, that the only reason he sang it was that he couldn't afford to pay another vocalist. He has sung on other records and was with a singing group in his teens. Well he should surely have done more, he is a great singer on that one 2
Popular Post macca Posted February 3, 2015 Popular Post Posted February 3, 2015 A tune Levi Stubbs could have brought home effortlessly. Hate it when people call it a dirge. Loved and love it. 4
Popular Post Chalky Posted February 3, 2015 Popular Post Posted February 3, 2015 TWYBAL is one of the greatest 45's ever, doesn't need Levi or anyone else to make it any better, its class as it is. 16
Popular Post Louise Posted February 3, 2015 Popular Post Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) He told me, years ago, that the only reason he sang it was that he couldn't afford to pay another vocalist. He has sung on other records and was with a singing group in his teens. Yep a 1950's street corner group known as 'The Sparrows' Al (Kent) Hamilton, Hermom Weems Charles Harris, Paul Leslie and Phil Townsend (who incidently co-wrote The Little Foxes "Love Made To Order", as well as "So Glad Your Love Don't Change"and Ortheia Barnes "Heartbreaker, Soulshaker"). Dave Edited February 4, 2015 by Louise 5
Popular Post Sunnysoul Posted February 3, 2015 Popular Post Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) "Where Do I Go From Here" , the other side of "You've Got To Pay The Price" , has always been criminally ignored: Edited February 3, 2015 by sunnysoul 8
Popular Post Soul-slider Posted February 4, 2015 Popular Post Posted February 4, 2015 An all round great 45 to have, no excuses, every box should have a copy and it's cheap as chips. 4
Epic Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 On "The Way You've Been Acting Lately" - what is it the girls sing before the say "The Way You've Been Acting Lately" ?
Chalky Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 On "The Way You've Been Acting Lately" - what is it the girls sing before the say "The Way You've Been Acting Lately" ? Funny funny feeling baby lets....
Steve G Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 (edited) Sounds like Funny funny feeling feel about you baby Funny funny feeling baby let's make up. Edited February 6, 2015 by Steve G
Chalky Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Sounds like Funny funny feeling baby let's think. it sounds like lets face it to these ears but it isn't very clear 1
Steve G Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 it sounds like lets face it to these ears but it isn't very clear Edited post chalky slowed it down, see above..
Chalky Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Edited post chalky slowed it down, see above.. good enough for me Steve 1
Steve G Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 I agree it's a great record too. one of the best.
Dobber Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 the vocalist on acting lately is jackie wilson!
Guest son of stan Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 On "The Way You've Been Acting Lately" - what is it the girls sing before the say "The Way You've Been Acting Lately" ? Sounds to me like, 'Funny, funny feeling, let's make it Funny, funny feeling, don't break it' ...whatever that means!!
Dazdakin Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 I have NEVER heard anyone call this monster tune dirge!! It's absolutely one of the best 45's ever made. Actually I quite like it :-)) Dazz
Guest son of stan Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Sounds to me like, 'Funny, funny feeling, let's make it Funny, funny feeling, don't break it' ...whatever that means!! No it isn't. It's Funnny, funny feeling, ooh must we break up? Funny funny feeling, baby let's make up.'
Jerry Hipkiss Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 I have NEVER heard anyone call this monster tune dirge!! It's absolutely one of the best 45's ever made. Actually I quite like it :-)) Dazz There was a period (around 77/78?) when it got reactivated and hammered to death at most venues, and I can definitely remember several people - at least one in print - describing it as a dirge. Which, of course, it isn't, it was just reaction to an overplayed oldie... 1
macca Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 TWYBAL is one of the greatest 45's ever, doesn't need Levi or anyone else to make it any better, its class as it is. Not suggesting that another version was needed or could have been improved upon, just that the style matches Levi Stubbs' vocal talents and that I could imagine him singing it too, that's all. :-) 2
macca Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 I have NEVER heard anyone call this monster tune dirge!! It's absolutely one of the best 45's ever made. Actually I quite like it :-)) Dazz One of the 'contributors' to Winstanley's Soul Survivors book. Numpty.
macca Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 the vocalist on acting lately is jackie wilson! No way, José!! 1
Popular Post Louise Posted February 7, 2015 Popular Post Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) The last I spoke to Al Kent he was reputedly in the process of writing a book, as to wether this actually happened I don't know. But I'm sure it would have made great reading, Hermon Weems once told me a great story about the early day of Wingate & Goldern World. Before Wingate built his own studio's he used to use either RCA in New York or Columbia in Chicago. On one occassion he booked Bob Hamilton, Al Kent and Hermon Weems on a flight from Detriot to New York to record some sessions.The plane that they were on had two seats on either side. Bob And Hermon where seated on one side with AL with some unkown guy on the opposite. Just before the plane was due to take off a pssengers name was announced over the tannoy askiing him to vacate the flight, this being the guy who was sitting next to Al. The guy after several calls continued to refuse to vacate his sit. Eventually the cabin crew man handled this passenger out of his seat and as they are pushing him out of the door of the plane the familiar figure of Ed Wingate crept in behind them and took his seat, much to Bob, Hermon's and Al's amazement. When they asked Ed how the hell he managed that, he just smiled and said "Easy, I own 25% of the Airline !! Dave Edited February 8, 2015 by Louise 9
Rudzy Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Yep a 1950's street corner group known as 'The Sparrows' Al (Kent) Hamilton, Hermom Weems Charles Harris, Paul Leslie and Phil Townsend (who incidently co-wrote The Little Foxes "Love Made To Order", as well as "So Glad Your Love Don't Change"and Ortheia Barnes "Heartbreaker, Soulshaker"). Dave It is the same vocal as on "Country Boy" / "You know I Love You" - WINGATE 004. the guy could sing and had a lovely warm tone. AL KENT
Dazdakin Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 One of the 'contributors' to Winstanley's Soul Survivors book. Numpty. NUMPTY!!!! You got to laugh really getting all arsey over an "I can't believe it" quote Now if I had said "no, your wrong,nobody has ever said that" kind of line then maybe, only maybe, would numpty be ok, but you didn't did you, hmmm.
Pete S Posted February 7, 2015 Author Posted February 7, 2015 NUMPTY!!!! You got to laugh really getting all arsey over an "I can't believe it" quote Now if I had said "no, your wrong,nobody has ever said that" kind of line then maybe, only maybe, would numpty be ok, but you didn't did you, hmmm. He wasn't calling you Daz, just the bloke who gave the quote to the book 2
Steve G Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 The last I spoke to Al Kent he was reputedly in the process of writing a book, as to wether this actually happened I don't know. But I'm sure it would have made great reading, Hermon Weems once told me a great story about the early day of Wingate & Goldern World. Before Wingate built his own studio's he used to use either RCA in New York or Columbia in Chicago. On one occassion he booked Bob Hamilton, Al Kent and Hermon Weems on a flight from Detriot to New York to record some sessions.The plane that they were on had two seats on either side. Bob And Hermon where seated on one side with AL with some unkown guy on the opposite. Just before the plane was due to take off a pssengers name was announced over the tannoy askiing him to vacate the flight, this being the guy who was sitting next to Al. The guy after several calls continued to refuse to vacate his sit. Eventually the cabin crew man handled this passenger out of his seat and as they ere pushing him out of the door of the plane the familiar figure of Ed Wingate crept in behind him and took his seat, much to Bob, Hermon's and Al's amazement. When they asked Ed how the hell he managed that, he just smiled and said "Easy, I own 25% of the Airline !! Dave Shhh Dave, you'll be giving Ryanair ideas with that tale…
Dazdakin Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Oh I see, what a plonker I am. Sorry macca. Dazz 2
Agentsmith Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) jackie wilson & edwin starr?......some people clutching at straws! if, al kent could sing...then he could sing.....that's all we need to know and the tunes credit his name....so it HAS to be him singing......this is NOT ANOTHER exclusive darrell banks style story........so stop trying to be indiana jones anoraks! ...and it is a great tune...and yes, it should be in everyone's collection...wonderfully atmospheric orchestration..what you expect from detroit and what every city aspired to. Edited February 7, 2015 by AGENTSMITH 2
Louise Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) jackie wilson & edwin starr?......some people clutching at straws! if, al kent could sing...then he could sing.....that's all we need to know and the tunes credit his name....so it HAS to be him singing......this is NOT ANOTHER exclusive darrell banks style story........so stop trying to be indiana jones anoraks! ...and it is a great tune...and yes, it should be in everyone's collection...wonderfully atmospheric orchestration..what you expect from detroit and what every city aspired to. Rob Just because someone is credited as the performing artist on a record does not always mean that they are the real performing artist this music is littered with many misnomers due to contractual disagreements, moonlighting artists and musicians etc etc. For example one of the current members of the Vibrations who recently performed at Prestatyn was none then James Barnes of James Barnes & The Agents who is credited as recording two 45's on Goldern Hit, when infact he recorded three releases it's him singing on Jock Mitchell's "No Mad Woman" as Jock was tied up in a contractual dispute with Scepter at the time. People's suspicion about Al Kent not being the true vocalist on "The way You've Been Acting Lately" became aroused due to his lack of a vocal contribution during the Ric Tic Road Show during the 80's. Dave Edited February 8, 2015 by Louise 2
Steve G Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 I remember talking to him at the RT review. He was very quiet and shy, don't think he had performed live in front of a crowd for many years, if at all ever.
Agentsmith Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Rob Just because someone is crdited as the performing artist on a record does not always mean that they are the real performing artist this music is littered with many misnomers due to contractual disagreements, moonlighting artists and musicians etc etc. For example one of the current members of the Vibrations who recently performed at Prestatyn was none then James Barnes of James Barnes & The Agents who is credited as recording two 45's on Goldern Hit, when infact he recorded three releases it's him singing on Jock Mitchell's "No Mad Woman" as Jock was tied up in a contractual dispute with Scepter at the time. People's suspicion about Al Kent not being the true vocalist on "The way You've Been Acting Lately" became aroused due to his lack of a vocal contribution during the Ric Tic Road Show during the 80's. Dave i understand the logic in that dave, but why people have to fling names around with gay abandon is really purposeless. the voice in no way sounds familiar compared to most who we know, so my presumption is....it's him, the fact that, as you say, his vocal contributions are lacking, may be due to the fact, that he tried it here and one of his other ric-tic singles...then perhaps thought he wouldn't bother anymore and stuck instead to songwriting and producing.....eddie holland thought had a career in singing, but he ended up the other side of the recording console.......maybe it's him we're listening to then?....i'll stick with al. 1
Popular Post Louise Posted February 7, 2015 Popular Post Posted February 7, 2015 I think Berry Gordy had a lot to do with the demise of Eddie Holland's performing career has he was more valuable to Motown as a writer/producer and arranger and probably earned more money doing the latter. Maybe this was the case with Al Kent, Wingate was a real hard ass business man, let's not forget he put the lead singer of the Holidays on gardening leave, replacing him with Edwin on "I'll Love you Forever". Lou Beatty did the same on "Thank You Mother" (Mary Jane) the song was originally intended for Nelson Sanders, but Beatty's wife thought it suited Edward Hamilton better so to save a domestic Edward got the nod. Dave 4
Rudzy Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Fine detective work - but the defining work is your own EARS!! AL KENT was a SINGER. Incidently "YOU GOT TO PAY THE PRICE" Instr is credited to AL KENT, but we all know that it is DENNIS COFFEY supplying the legendary guitar riffs that we all love. Wonder which instrument AL KENT was performing on this gem, flip it over and it is AL's vocal on "WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE" Any further info appreciated
Robbk Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 I was thinking, if Al Kent was a musician not a vocalist, his records include You Gotta Pay The Price and Ooh Pretty Lady - and when he played in the UK, he did not perform his classic The Way You've Been Acting Lately...then this is my question....who actually is the vocalist on The Way You've Been Acting Lately, because he's bloomin' good - Edwin Starr?? Al Kent was a producer AND a singer. He was credited on instrumental records because there was no singer, and he was, in essence, the "orchestra" leader. But, they couldn't call the ad-hoc assemblage of studio session instrument players Al Kent's Orchestra, so they simply credited him as the artist. I'm pretty sure that he, himself sang on "The Way You've Been Acting Lately". He sang in a couple groups as a youngster, and had some solo singing releases recorded in Detroit, and some in New York, before working for Ed Wingate's labels. 1
Agentsmith Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Al Kent was a producer AND a singer. He was credited on instrumental records because there was no singer, and he was, in essence, the "orchestra" leader. But, they couldn't call the ad-hoc assemblage of studio session instrument players Al Kent's Orchestra, so they simply credited him as the artist. I'm pretty sure that he, himself sang on "The Way You've Been Acting Lately". He sang in a couple groups as a youngster, and had some solo singing releases recorded in Detroit, and some in New York, before working for Ed Wingate's labels. strikes again!.....
The Yank Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Let's not forget Al Kent was also a writer under the name Al Hamilton. 3
Rudzy Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Let's not forget Al Kent was also a writer under the name Al Hamilton. LIKE IT
Louise Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Let's not forget Al Kent was also a writer under the name Al Hamilton. Yep Al, brothers Bob Hamilton, Ronnie (Savoy) Hamilton, Al 's ex wife Norma Toney, Hermon Weems were all leading protagonists at Goldern World. 1
Robbk Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Yep Al, brothers Bob Hamilton, Ronnie (Savoy) Hamilton, Al 's ex wife Norma Toney, Hermon Weems were all leading protagonists at Goldern World. Bob Hamilton was AKA "Rob Reeco", "Ronnie Savoy" was really Eugene Ronald Hamilton.
Robbk Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Al Kent sang Berry Gordy's "That's Why I Love You So" on Checker Records, as well as having a couple releases on small Detroit labels, and recorded for a few New York labels, as well.
Guest Waggy Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 The knowledge on this forum never ceases to amaze me. Thanks to all the contributors to this topic. An interesting and informative read.
Prophonics 2029 Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Funny funny feeling feeling about ya baby....funny funny feelings baby let's make it.
Prophonics 2029 Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Jackie Wilson......it's not April is it. The bass line sounds Woman Lover Thief or Such Misery. Edited February 7, 2015 by Prophonics 2029
Prophonics 2029 Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Just playing the vocal and instrumental at the same time. No better.
Robbk Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Here's Al singing "Am I The Man", Jackie Wilson's hit, written by Al's brother, Bob: 3
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