Guest dundeedavie Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 can anyone give me the names / email addresses of dealers who sell 78's Davie
Kev Connellan Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 can anyone give me the names / email addresses of dealers who sell 78's Davie Mike Sterwart @ Green River Records https://grrecords.com/index.html
Kev Connellan Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 you collecting then Davie? it would be so cool to DJ with some 78s I only own one though!
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 not so much collecting kev , looking whats out there really , but possibly looking at playing some stuff on 78 if i can find it
Kev Connellan Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 not so much collecting kev , looking whats out there really , but possibly looking at playing some stuff on 78 if i can find it gotta be some very nice early stuff out there. I wouldn't like to have to carry them around with me though, have to treat them very carefully................not good after you've had a few glasses of fizzy pop
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 gotta be some very nice early stuff out there. I wouldn't like to have to carry them around with me though, have to treat them very carefully................not good after you've had a few glasses of fizzy pop tis a good job i don't drink then innit lolol.... for me it's the sorting the wheat from the chaff as i know the BIG numbers from pre-60 but the rest is a learning curve at the mo . if you have any recomendations let me know
Richard Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) Kev's right Davie, be a real bugger to carry around and they are very liable to break in half on you transporting around - bakalite is really fragile. Besides won't be able to hear them played over a Gramophone at a do Edited August 19, 2006 by richard
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 Kev's right Davie, be a real bugger to carry around and they are very liable to break in half on you transporting around - bakalite is really fragile. Besides will be able to hear them played over a Gramophone don't worry about hearing them richard lolol .....modern turntable with output sockets for the amp etc . hearing them will deffo not be a problem and the only transporting would be from my house to BASICS as i don't imagine i'd be able to play them anywhere else
Richard Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 Should be plenty on King, Queen, Deluxe etc also Peacock
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 Loads of Excello stuff on 78s.... cheers joe , if i find something worthy of playing then i'll try it and see . as i say i know the big numbers ..pneumonia ( i would think) , jo ann henderson , rose mitchell , big mama thornton etc but not that big on 50's stuff and don't wanna go back to buying blind lol
Richard Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 Would imagine the sound on 78's would be bloody horrible mate. I mean the needles could have been used to knit with
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 Would imagine the sound on 78's would be bloody horrible mate. I mean the needles could have been used to knit with You're quite right, Richard - I tried to do a blues and R & B spot from 78s about 20 years ago - just being 'clever' really - but even with a decent sound system and clean 78s, the reproduction just sounded ghastly. After about 10 or 12 minutes of cccccccccchhhrrrrrrrcccchhhhhpopppopppoppppppppcccchrhhhhhhhh, interrupted by the occasional burst of Amos Milburn or whoever, I happily retreated to the safe have of the box of 45s I'd bought along for backup. My advice to Davie and to anyone who's thinking of playing 78s at a do, even for a lark, is don't bother. Really... TONE
Richard Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Was a great idea though as there must be loads of great stuff not on 45 Davie maybe try early 50's albums, when did LP's start to get produced? Mind you when did 45's start to get produced?? I've got a Dominoes single from 1952 so they would go back as early as that at least
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) Was a great idea though as there must be loads of great stuff not on 45 Davie maybe try early 50's albums, when did LP's start to get produced? Mind you when did 45's start to get produced?? I've got a Dominoes single from 1952 so they would go back as early as that at least The first singles were produced by US Columbia in 1948-49. They were 7 inchers that played at 33 and that, unusually for the USA, had small centres. Obviously, they didn't catch on... The first 45s as we know them were produced around the same time - just slightly later, in fact - by RCA Victor. These had the lagre centre we've all gotten used to - and were on coloured vinyl, with a different colour being used for each different category of music. "Race Music" (i.e. Rhythm & Blues) was a fetching shade of cerise. Needless to say, all the early RCA R & B 45s are highly collectable. I have the first one (numbered 0000!) which is a brilliant double sider of Arthur 'Big Boy' Crudup's "That's All Right Mama" and "Crudup's After Hours". I believe this to be the first R & B record ever produced as a 45. RCA and Columbia (now issuing 'regular' 45s) were in full swing by 1950. Other major labels followed suit shortly thereafter, but quite a lot of the R & B independent labels didn't come on board with 45s until a few years later. This is quite understandable - a reluctance to embrace a new technology that, at the time, many were not certain would replace the 78, coupled with the fact that only a small number of R & B buyers would have been able to afford a 45 autochanger in 1951, would have made sticking to 78s a safer bet for many labels. King, though, did start quite early - around 1951, as did Modern. Specialty, by comparison, did not fully commit to the production of all their releases as singles, as well as 78s until late 1952. By 1957, most companies had begun to phase out 78s - but not all. Some labels, like Chess, carried on producing a decreasing number of releases on 78 into early 1959. Others, like Gone and Fire/Fury, carried on beyond that - I have a Gone 78 of the Flamingos' "I Only Have Eyes For You" and a Fire 78 of Buster Brown's "Fannie Mae", both pressed very late on in 1959. The very latest US 78 I have is, incredibly, from 1963 - Ray Barretto's "El Watusi" on Tico, presumably pressed for sale mostly in Spanish Harlem and Puerto Rico. Sorry to have gone on a bit but I hope you found it both helpful and interesting... TONE Edited August 20, 2006 by TONY ROUNCE
Kev Connellan Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Sorry to have gone on a bit but I hope you found it both helpful and interesting... VERY interesting reading Tone
Godzilla Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Haven't we had this topic before? If so I may have posted these before - Argentinian I think:
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Haven't we had this topic before? If so I may have posted these before - Argentinian I think: had what topic ? i only asked if anyone had any info on dealers who deal in 78's
Guest Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 had what topic ? i only asked if anyone had any info on dealers who deal in 78's Rob Smith in Nottingham might be worth a try
FrankM Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Could some HiFi nut advise but given that 78's spin faster wouldn't the sound be of a higher quality than a 45. Given of course you have the correct stylus for playing 78's. Thus may be of assistance to you Davie in terms of playing them. https://www.historicmasters.org/78.htm This guy sells them https://www.tefteller.com/
Cheapsiderecords Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 There are a couple of 78 only dealers who used to advertise in Record Collector, I believe one is in Gloucester.
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) Haven't we had this topic before? If so I may have posted these before - Argentinian I think: Hi Godz' They're more likely Filipino - they were still producing 78s in the Phillipnes in 1963. I have Jo Ann Campbell "I Changed My Mind Jack" on Filipino ABC Paramount from '62... For everyone's info, the last country to stop production of 78s was India - some companies out there went on till 1965 or possibly 1966. Nobody's ever turned up a Stateside 78 though - but things like the Beatles' "Help" and the Beach Boys' "All Summer Long" were pressed on Parlophone and Capitol 78s, and they naturally sell for a small fortune. The latest UK 78 I've ever seen is from 1961 - the Everly Brothers' "So Sad". By that time only UK Decca was pressing 78s, and they were almost pressing them to order. I was told once, by someone who worked for Decca back then, that things like thie Everlys' 78 would probably have had a pressing run of no more than 100-150 tops. The latest 78 I've ever seen, period, is an Indian copy of Trini Lopez' "Sinner Not A Saint" - nah, not really, it was "Lemon Tree", actually, a 1966 Reprise recording... TONE PS - to answer Brother Munk's question, yes, that's theoretically true, but given that 78s are usually made of shellac and 45s are made of vinyl, it doesn't work like that for the most part. Some US companies (King being one of them, MGM, Columbia and RCA being others) made their promo 78s out of something called viny-flex, which was like a non-bendable version of shellac and which gave a beautiful sound quality. From 1957 onwards, UK Pye made their 78s out of a plastic-based product and they, too sound pretty fab (I have a Ritchie Valens' "Come On Let's Go" Pye International 78 - when you play it, it sounds like Ritchie and his band are in the room with you...) Edited August 20, 2006 by TONY ROUNCE
Ged Parker Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Hi Godz' They're more likely Filipino - they were still producing 78s in the Phillipnes in 1963. I have Jo Ann Campbell "I Changed My Mind Jack" on Filipino ABC Paramount from '62... For everyone's info, the last country to stop production of 78s was India - some companies out there went on till 1965 or possibly 1966. Nobody's ever turned up a Stateside 78 though - but things like the Beatles' "Help" and the Beach Boys' "All Summer Long" were pressed on Parlophone and Capitol 78s, and they naturally sell for a small fortune. The latest UK 78 I've ever seen is from 1961 - the Everly Brothers' "So Sad". By that time only UK Decca was pressing 78s, and they were almost pressing them to order. I was told once, by someone who worked for Decca back then, that things like thie Everlys' 78 would probably have had a pressing run of no more than 100-150 tops. The latest 78 I've ever seen, period, is an Indian copy of Trini Lopez' "Sinner Not A Saint" - nah, not really, it was "Lemon Tree", actually, a 1966 Reprise recording... TONE PS - to answer Brother Munk's question, yes, that's theoretically true, but given that 78s are usually made of shellac and 45s are made of vinyl, it doesn't work like that for the most part. Some US companies (King being one of them, MGM, Columbia and RCA being others) made their promo 78s out of something called viny-flex, which was like a non-bendable version of shellac and which gave a beautiful sound quality. From 1957 onwards, UK Pye made their 78s out of a plastic-based product and they, too sound pretty fab (I have a Ritchie Valens' "Come On Let's Go" Pye International 78 - when you play it, it sounds like Ritchie and his band are in the room with you...) Tone, Your knowledge, and for that matter memory, never ceases to amaze me thanks for the info another good read.
Guest Mart B Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Hi Hi dundeedave2 i was at bentick soul do on friday night and dj/record dealer rob smith had a fist full of 78s with him.Having been to his record shop in nottingham theres know dought theres more.Cheers.
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Hi Hi dundeedave2 i was at bentick soul do on friday night and dj/record dealer rob smith had a fist full of 78s with him.Having been to his record shop in nottingham theres know dought theres more.Cheers. excellent , any contact details for him .....
Guest Mart B Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Hi dundeedavie2 The only address i know is robs records hurts yard nottingham. Theres no dought someone on soulsource will have his phone number. cheers.
Guest Mart B Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Hi dundeedavie2 yell.com.should find you contact details.Hi
Mace Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Hang around any decent allnighter after 4.30 a.m. and Rob Smith will normally be on his way in... The Jo Ann Henderson is a hard one on 78 mate. Big Maybelle 'I got a feeling' is on 78 as well I believe. Think Kitty White was on ebay on 78 t'other week. Got a 78 on my wall on Okeh by Sophie Tucker called Aggravatin' Papa - can't play it as aint got player with 78 speed...sounds shite at 45 though...
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Hang around any decent allnighter after 4.30 a.m. and Rob Smith will normally be on his way in... The Jo Ann Henderson is a hard one on 78 mate. Big Maybelle 'I got a feeling' is on 78 as well I believe. Think Kitty White was on ebay on 78 t'other week. Got a 78 on my wall on Okeh by Sophie Tucker called Aggravatin' Papa - can't play it as aint got player with 78 speed...sounds shite at 45 though... wasn't necessarily jo ann henderson i wanted .... but if something came up that was playable then i'm not gonna turn it down
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 wasn't necessarily jo ann henderson i wanted .... but if something came up that was playable then i'm not gonna turn it down oh yeah and while i remember rose mitchell is so much better anyway
Mace Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 oh yeah and while i remember rose mitchell is so much better anyway My arse..... Funny thing at last Hideaway - Damian had a copy of Jo Ann Henderson in his box for £200. Merv and Paul Bennet turns up and I says to Damian....watch this, I bet one of these 2 buy that tonight. I turn to Merv and Paul and says....You guys sure Rose Mitchell is better tha Jo ann Henderson then, and both nod there heads accordingly and echo 'Oh yes' similar to the Churchill dog . So I says - shame that, cus Damian has a Jo Ann Henderson for sale in his box but I suppose neither of you guys are bothered about it then. Paul couldn't get his cheque book out quick enough....
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 My arse..... Funny thing at last Hideaway - Damian had a copy of Jo Ann Henderson in his box for £200. Merv and Paul Bennet turns up and I says to Damian....watch this, I bet one of these 2 buy that tonight. I turn to Merv and Paul and says....You guys sure Rose Mitchell is better tha Jo ann Henderson then, and both nod there heads accordingly and echo 'Oh yes' similar to the Churchill dog . So I says - shame that, cus Damian has a Jo Ann Henderson for sale in his box but I suppose neither of you guys are bothered about it then. Paul couldn't get his cheque book out quick enough.... i tried to buy a jo ann henderson but pulled out at just under £300 so i can't say i don't like it , but i prefer the rose mitchell , only have it on album though
Mace Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Presume you would you pay £300 for Rose Mitchell then???
Jumpinjoan Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) Thought of this thread when i noticed this... look at his other items for sale.. always find it wierd when they have something big for sale... and then... nothing! Have just tried it... it takes a while... but it does open..... eventually Al Williams Edited August 21, 2006 by jumpinjoan
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Presume you would you pay £300 for Rose Mitchell then??? without a doubt
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 I'll start looking then..... if you get one on £45 i'll give ya £300
Guest Baz Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Hang around any decent allnighter after 4.30 a.m. and Rob Smith will normally be on his way in... Thats an early arrival for Rob
Mace Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Fair play. By the way - you agreed to £300 far too quickly so if I find one it may be more...
Mace Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Is the 7" 45rpm or 33rpm by the way - Merv tells me he has it but never seen it myself (dare not look at it in case it makes me fall asleep on the spot)
steve z Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 can anyone give me the names / email addresses of dealers who sell 78's Davie Hi Davie ,try BLUES WORLD If you find the record I'm after ...........ATB Stevie
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Is the 7" 45rpm or 33rpm by the way - Merv tells me he has it but never seen it myself (dare not look at it in case it makes me fall asleep on the spot) to be honest i have no idea either lolol Hi Davie ,try BLUES WORLD If you find the record I'm after ...........ATB Stevie what record you after ?
Mace Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 to be honest i have no idea either lolol what record you after ? ...wondered if you were trying to con me out of my possible £295 profit by telling me its a 33 not a 45 if I turned one up. Will find out off Merv and try and find a box full as soon as poss. Would you require more than one at £300 being as you like it so much - maybe 2 for £550, 3 for £800?????
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 ...wondered if you were trying to con me out of my possible £295 profit by telling me its a 33 not a 45 if I turned one up. Will find out off Merv and try and find a box full as soon as poss. Would you require more than one at £300 being as you like it so much - maybe 2 for £550, 3 for £800????? so you're confident you'll find one then
steve z Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 to be honest i have no idea either lolol what record you after ? Hi Pal, I'm after the best 50s tune with soul content ever IMHO....came out on 33 and 45 RPM
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Hi Pal, I'm after the best 50s tune with soul content ever IMHO....came out on 33 and 45 RPM pm me with it , or not , just don't tease i'm renowned for having zero patience
Mace Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 so you're confident you'll find one then I'm confident I'll try me f*ckin' hardest if I can sell it for £300
steve z Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 pm me with it , or not , just don't tease i'm renowned for having zero patience I've not heard the "Zero Patience" ATB Steve
Guest dundeedavie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 I've not heard the "Zero Patience" ATB Steve comes in a picture sleeve with me looking like this
steve z Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 comes in a picture sleeve with me looking like this Hi ,now if I tell you what I'm after you may try and track it down Been trying for a few years on this particular tune....on 78 its $1000 ATB Steve
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