Chuck Holiday Just Can't Trust Nobody . . What Year Was This Released?

[Guest Leonardo]

Can anyone shed any light on this for me please.

 

Regards, Paul.

[Mal C]

Yep, On Gloria records, costs allot, and its not that good... it did get a reissue in the late 9ts early 2000ns...

 

Strangely I wonder if it actually got issued twice on Gloria... oh and its the same backing as another Big Detroit record, Green label, cant remember the name..

Edited January 19, 2015 by Mal C

[Mal C]

thats it, same backing as Four Voices - Your love is getting stronger, which is also bloody expensive, best choice get the Gold 2nd issue of Four Voices for £50.. best track at an affordable price...

 

M

Edited January 19, 2015 by Mal C

[Gibby Gibby]

chuck superb sound

[boff]

chuck superb sound

Totally agree with you mate plus the other side.... I still love you... Brill. As well ....

[Russ Vickers]

Mal your p*ssed...

 

Russ

[NEV]

Mal your p*ssed...

 

Russ

Daren't ask him for his opinion on E.WILLIAMS -TRADE MY SOIL WITH THE DEVIL 

[Robbk]

Voice Records was owned by Chex's Tony Ewing, and the recording session was run by Popcorn Wylie.  Gabriel Garrett, who produced the Gloria record, had worked previously with Ewing.  There's no credit to Ewing, and his own Music publishing co., Criss Music, doesn't share the publishing with Garrett's publisher.  I wonder how Garrett got that backing track, and why the original music writers, Ewing and Othea George, didn't share in the writing credits?

[Mal C]

Daren't ask him for his opinion on E.WILLIAMS -TRADE MY SOIL WITH THE DEVIL 

I just hate the vocal on Chuck Holiday, its not a patch on the Four Voices vocals... and I love both versions of 'Trade my Soul', but E.Williams probably a bit more...

Edited January 21, 2015 by Mal C

[Jumpinjoan]

For me Four Voices has everything CH doesn't have - class - apart the very last line - "that low down dirty dog just stole my woman" - quality!  Far from bobbins, just both sides of the FV is far superior backing wise and vocally

 

However, any version of TMS is bobbins of the highest order lol

Edited January 21, 2015 by jumpinjoan

[Dave Thorley]

Voice Records was owned by Chex's Tony Ewing, and the recording session was run by Popcorn Wylie.  Gabriel Garrett, who produced the Gloria record, had worked previously with Ewing.  There's no credit to Ewing, and his own Music publishing co., Criss Music, doesn't share the publishing with Garrett's publisher.  I wonder how Garrett got that backing track, and why the original music writers, Ewing and Othea George, didn't share in the writing credits?

 

 

I met Gabriel and he said he was a member of The Four Voices, so that might explain how he had the masters. He also said that he and Tony had been friends since childhood and grown up in the same neighbourhood. Sadly Tony's circumstances were not great and he was looking after much of Tony's material. Gabriel did have some acetates of Tony's recordings including Technics recordings and the last of the stock copies of  'Every dog' .

 

Gabriel was definitely a member of Tony & The Technics (Othea George Tenor/Lead, Willie 'Tony' Ewing First Tenor, Gabriel Garrett Baritone / Bass, C. Washington Baritone) Now can't fully remember the conversation, but think The Four Voices is basically the same group, re-named.

Gabriel named the label Gloria after his wife.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Dave Thorley

[Prophonics 2029]

Chuck's backing has a great sax break or is it a french horn thing.

[Guest Leonardo]

Thanks for all the other info. but would still like to know what year Chuck Holiday was released?

[Tlscapital]

Thanks for all the other info. but would still like to know what year Chuck Holiday was released?

I'm not into the known but I always thought it was a later recording to the Four Voices and the label looks late seventies to me.

[Dave Thorley]

I don't known when it was released, but looking at the pressing I would guess early 70's

[Gibby Gibby]

just love this scene marvellous

[Blackpoolsoul]

I was not a member of this site until recently so thought would add some info 4 years on

I found a stickered copy of Chuck's next record dated 1975 so I am guessing same year or slightly earlier which also implies that this was  release was a couple of years before the Four Voices which I believe was 1977

Did we ever know who Chuck was ? I know he partnered Timmy Shaw through Johnnie Mae Matthews on Big Hit

 

Edited September 10, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul

[Garethx]

The gold 'reissues'* of the Four Voices may well be from 1977 but the green labelled copies of both Four Voices titles are late '60s.

* This has generally been referred to as a legal reissue and it does seem to use the same Archer plates as the original but as to who put it out and at whose request or prompting I've never seen adequately answered.

[Blackpoolsoul]

6 hours ago, Garethx said:

The gold 'reissues'* of the Four Voices may well be from 1977 but the green labelled copies of both Four Voices titles are late '60s.

* This has generally been referred to as a legal reissue and it does seem to use the same Archer plates as the original but as to who put it out and at whose request or prompting I've never seen adequately answered.

 

[Chalky]

The Gold ones done 1999/2000 by someone with access to the plates.  May have been Brooklyn Born, he was selling a l lot of them when the first appeared. Whoever did them apparently or allegedly didn’t own the rights nor have the the rights to press them. 

Like Gareth says there is no way The Four Voices is a 1977 recording. 

[Blackpoolsoul]

58 minutes ago, Chalky said:

The Gold ones done 1999/2000 by someone with access to the plates.  May have been Brooklyn Born, he was selling a l lot of them when the first appeared. Whoever did them apparently or allegedly didn’t own the rights nor have the the rights to press them. 

Like Gareth says there is no way The Four Voices is a 1977 recording. 

Sorry Chalky....... so the "gold" ones only came about in the late 1990's (I bought one off Ebay when there were loads of them) and there wasn't one in the 1970's as suggested.....is that correct ?

I have looked at other threads and it's very confusing and the implication was that there were 2 gold ones

Edited September 17, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul

[Robbk]

On 09/09/2019 at 23:46, Blackpoolsoul said:

I was not a member of this site until recently so thought would add some info 4 years on

I found a stickered copy of Chuck's next record dated 1975 so I am guessing same year or slightly earlier which also implies that this was  release was a couple of years before the Four Voices which I believe was 1977

Did we ever know who Chuck was ? I know he partnered Timmy Shaw through Johnnie Mae Matthews on Big Hit

I always heard he was Charles Dillard, who was listed on most of Chuck Holiday's cuts as songwriter, and sometimes as the arranger. 

[Blackpoolsoul]

11 minutes ago, Robbk said:

I always heard he was Charles Dillard, who was listed on most of Chuck Holiday's cuts as songwriter, and sometimes as the arranger. 

Good point.....Detroiter ?

[Robbk]

1 minute ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Good point.....Detroiter ?

I'd bet he was a Detroiter.  I've seen his name on other Detroit labels, including De-To, and, if I remember correctly, a couple of Clarence Marshall's labels.

[Chalky]

41 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Sorry Chalky....... so the "gold" ones only came about in the late 1990's (I bought one off Ebay when there were loads of them) and there wasn't one in the 1970's as suggested.....is that correct ?

I have looked at other threads and it's very confusing and the implication was that there were 2 gold ones

There may well be two gold presses, I didn't see one before the initial lot.  There is a green boot, all in a previous topic. 

[Dave Pinch]

14 hours ago, Garethx said:

The gold 'reissues'* of the Four Voices may well be from 1977 but the green labelled copies of both Four Voices titles are late '60s.

* This has generally been referred to as a legal reissue and it does seem to use the same Archer plates as the original but as to who put it out and at whose request or prompting I've never seen adequately answered.

Don't think anyone has just come out and said the gold copies are just out and out counterfeits but they are imo

[Stanley]

remember all the boxes of gold issues of four voices just done nearly 20 years ago in detroit apparently legit along with a few boxes of dennis edwards black labels at the same time ...

Edited September 17, 2019 by Stanley

[Robbk]

2 hours ago, Dave Pinch said:

Don't think anyone has just come out and said the gold copies are just out and out counterfeits but they are imo

I doubt that the person who pressed them up was the legal owner of the master tapes, and the rights to sell the recordings. 

[Chalky]

2 hours ago, Dave Pinch said:

Don't think anyone has just come out and said the gold copies are just out and out counterfeits but they are imo

Doubt very much they are legit, certainly done to exploit the scene.

[Sunnysoul]

And in the years after the gold label issue surfaced, one lost track of the number of apparently "OVO" events where DJ's played the gold label record as an "original" ... or on the basis that it was a legit second issue ...