Reissues With Exact Label Scans

[Steviehay]

https://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=181596332847 Don't want to diss this guy but he does state they are NOT originals why on earth would you pay this sort of money for these plus he is selling these by the bucket loads he should actually state they are NEW ,his starting price is a reasonable £20 ,then you get out bid only to find another copy turns up later I leave this in your ball court

[soulgrooves]

Stevie, Yes indeed I looked back at his previous auctions and he has sold MULTIPLES of some very Rare Northern 45's with lookalike labels and selling for ££-£££ , they look ok at first glance but then another Larry Clinton turns up ummmmmmmmm!! if only, but hey when they are FAKE that is EASY , PPL pay the money and he is rolling them out , mind you in saying that there have been some terrible boots/etc over the years as we know,but his at least look the part I guess ok,but agreed the money they fetch amazes me Gilly

Edited January 16, 2015 by soulgrooves

[Orotava]

£82 for a boot??!!!! 

[Ian Dewhirst]

Well these are boots period. I'd be interested in how the labels look. What are they like and how have they been done? He must have access to a record plant surely? I can't see how else he could be running presumably minimal amounts of records off. Unless he's doing maybe 50 at a time and just feeding 'em out over a period of years. Either way, it's naughty and just makes everything that little bit murkier ay?

 

What's the betting that a few Eddie Parker's start emerging? 

 

Ian D 

[Guest john s]

He has a UK Tamla on there - "THIS IS A CARVER  WITH  GREAT LABELS, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE"

 

so maybe they're all carvers....

[Ian Dewhirst]

He has a UK Tamla on there - "THIS IS A CARVER  WITH  GREAT LABELS, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE"

 

so maybe they're all carvers....

 

That's why I'm interested in how the labels look. Glued on or stamped on?

 

Ian D

[Frankie M]

Murky aint the word , they realise the increase of "interest " in the scene and there is definitely a market

to sell these whatever we say and yes I can definitely see Eddie Parkers on a 6.99 buy it now anytime soon

Ps have a great birthday Steve catch u soon

[Guest john s]

That's why I'm interested in how the labels look. Glued on or stamped on?

 

Ian D

Well the Martha Reeves label appears to rather blurry, and to have been cut out with a blunt pair of scissors.

[Md Records]

I was under the assumption it was old reissues with "better" labels e.g. a soul galore Jimmy Mack with Palmer labels - I may be wrong 

 

Des

[Les H]

£82 for a boot??!!!! 

Salvadors wise world boot £112 this week ?

[Quinvy]

You can see the label is stuck on. These are carvers definitely. No wonder the originals are going for silly money. You buy the original, record the audio, copy the labels. Get a few carvers done, stick the labels on, flog the original, flog the carvers. Get more carvers done......

[Algsoul]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-NATURAL-FOUR-I-THOUGHT-YOU-WERE-MINE-/181634757839?pt=UK_Records&hash=item2a4a4674cf

 

just had a look on his completed listings

 

some nutters about

 

lawrence

[Shinehead]

At least the guy is honest with his descriptions (you know what they are) any fool who then thinks they are buying anything other than a carver must be stupid.

[Cunnie]

At least the guy is honest with his descriptions (you know what they are) any fool who then thinks they are buying anything other than a carver must be stupid.

And that is the problem, he's being 100% honest about his dishonesty & still ebay do nothing about it.

[Lionelonthevinyl]

Not sure if this is the same chap, but I posted on here some time back about someone using exact copied labels on boots/carvers/look a likes or what ever they are...do people buy them to try to pass them off as an original?....personally drives me mad.....the one I saw was Herb Ward-Strange Change-Argo........Rob

[Dave Moore]

And that is the problem, he's being 100% honest about his dishonesty & still ebay do nothing about it.

 

I think the real problem is that people STILL pay for them!

 

Regards,

 

Dave

[Mike Lofthouse]

And that is the problem, he's being 100% honest about his dishonesty & still ebay do nothing about it.

3,842,367  - records currently listed on ebay.com.  Not sure what you can do, how would you 'vet' that lot?

[Cunnie]

3,842,367  - records currently listed on ebay.com.  Not sure what you can do, how would you 'vet' that lot?

Of course they can't vet that many Mike but they don't even do anything when stuff get's reported.

[Speedlimit]

this guy  sold a del larks boot the other week for about £120

[Chalky]

And that is the problem, he's being 100% honest about his dishonesty & still ebay do nothing about it.

Exactly.  Ebay is a joke, they couldn't give a toss about bootleggers because they are making money out of them.  There is no wonder many are deserting ebay. 

[Swifty]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-NATURAL-FOUR-I-THOUGHT-YOU-WERE-MINE-/181634757839?pt=UK_Records&hash=item2a4a4674cf

 

just had a look on his completed listings

 

some nutters about

 

lawrence

That is fooking nuts   

[John A]

this sort of thing has always gone on. I remember Shifty ebaying a bunch of boots with copied labels. So what? He stated clearly what they were just like this seller is doing. F*ck it, I'm gonna get a few carvers done. Now,who can recommend a good label scanning service? 

 

BTW, I don't really like all this carry on, but you can't really blame this bloke cashing in while there's these arseholes who want to buy this crap. Surely 

[Guest Soulskate70]

I have to admit I was tempted by a Bob & Fred boot this guy was selling a few days ago....  I haven't been collecting that long and have about 40 singles and not a single boot among them... All mint but nothing really worth over £100. I love the Bob & Fred track and there is no way I will ever be able to afford (Or in reality justify) buying an original copy.  If it were available as a legitimate re-release I would buy a copy tomorrow.... I would just love the track as a 45 single. I resisted buying as I kind of thought it would "spoil" the rest of my collection, but right or wrong I can see why people are tempted to hand over money. What I don't understand are the crazy prices for something that is really pretty worthless...

[Steviehay]

I did email the guy who replied very courteously. ?(me) l presume the sound quality of these carvers is ok ?....Hi this is not a carver it is a reissue with excellent copied labels,sound quality is very good hope that helps.....I nearly fell out of my rocking chair when I saw the piccie of martha reeves ???? By the way cheers for the birthday wishes frank

[Guest Awake 502]

Bottom line is Ebay don't give a toss. They very rarely do anything if you report fake or bootleg items, I am sure most on here could go on Ebay and find 1000 illegal items within a few minutes....

[Roual Galloway]

Well these are boots period. I'd be interested in how the labels look. What are they like and how have they been done? He must have access to a record plant surely? I can't see how else he could be running presumably minimal amounts of records off. Unless he's doing maybe 50 at a time and just feeding 'em out over a period of years. Either way, it's naughty and just makes everything that little bit murkier ay?

 

What's the betting that a few Eddie Parker's start emerging? 

 

Ian

Ian - I doubt if he's pressing up 50 copies at a time. At £80 a pop he'd only need to sell 7-8 to break even and the rest is profit. I would say that he's pressing 300 and sitting on the balance drip feeding them over a period

[John A]

I have to admit I was tempted by a Bob & Fred boot this guy was selling a few days ago....  I haven't been collecting that long and have about 40 singles and not a single boot among them... All mint but nothing really worth over £100. I love the Bob & Fred track and there is no way I will ever be able to afford (Or in reality justify) buying an original copy.  If it were available as a legitimate re-release I would buy a copy tomorrow.... I would just love the track as a 45 single. I resisted buying as I kind of thought it would "spoil" the rest of my collection, but right or wrong I can see why people are tempted to hand over money. What I don't understand are the crazy prices for something that is really pretty worthless...

It has been. Came out on goldmine sevens label. Shouldn't be too hard to find and not cost a lot.

in fact, a quick look on eBay. Here ya go

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BOB-FRED-Ill-Be-On-My-Way-THE-PARLIAMENTS-Heart-Trouble-GS022-/151548068175?pt=UK_Records&hash=item2348f8014f

Edited January 17, 2015 by John A

[pow wow mik]

Bottom line is Ebay don't give a toss. They very rarely do anything if you report fake or bootleg items, I am sure most on here could go on Ebay and find 1000 illegal items within a few minutes....

We dont really want ebay trying to police the record market though do we? How would they definitively know what was authentic for a start, because you tell them? And how long before disputed releases get caught up in it, modern bootleg remixes and mash-ups etc.

I think its better for all that the market is left alone, neither public or private institutions have the knowledge or incentive to control this, so would inevitably do so in a clumsy way.

I suggest that we forget blaming ebay, or even the sellers, and put all tbe responsibility squarely on the people buying them. So many sell that its impossible that no one knows someone who's buying them. But having said that, I actually dont, so it must be a sub-subculture all of its own - the pretend record collecting scene, I wonder if they all meet up and buy and sell pretend big ticket 45s with monopoloy money.

Edited January 17, 2015 by pow wow mik

[Pete S]

I have to admit I was tempted by a Bob & Fred boot this guy was selling a few days ago....  I haven't been collecting that long and have about 40 singles and not a single boot among them... All mint but nothing really worth over £100. I love the Bob & Fred track and there is no way I will ever be able to afford (Or in reality justify) buying an original copy.  If it were available as a legitimate re-release I would buy a copy tomorrow.... I would just love the track as a 45 single. I resisted buying as I kind of thought it would "spoil" the rest of my collection, but right or wrong I can see why people are tempted to hand over money. What I don't understand are the crazy prices for something that is really pretty worthless...

 

There is an "official" reissue of this on the Goldmine Sevens label

 

oops sorry John didn't see your reply

Edited January 17, 2015 by Pete S

[Hayden Road]

 

 

 

It has been. Came out on goldmine sevens label. Shouldn't be too hard to find and not cost a lot.

in fact, a quick look on eBay. Here ya go

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BOB-FRED-Ill-Be-On-My-Way-THE-PARLIAMENTS-Heart-Trouble-GS022-/151548068175?pt=UK_Records&hash=item2348f8014fPi

 

At least the likes of the Goldmine 45s, plus grapevine, kent, outta sights etc are legal reissues.   If they help drive out the bootleggers then surely it's a good thing?

Edited January 17, 2015 by Hayden Road

[Pete S]

I can understand people wanting to own a lookalike - but really, paying more than a fiver for a photocopied label is just crazy

[Frankie Crocker]

This is an awful practise. It won't be too long before these duds are sold on, and in the wrong hands will be marketed as the real thing. This seller gets my nomination as Mercenary of the Decade. It is a dirty, shady, unprincipled money grabbing wheeze that contaminates honest record collecting and is sure to cause problems in the long run. Although not illegal, what this chancer is up to amounts to faking, tampering, interference, fiddling and manipulation. He should be outed as an enemy of honest record collecting.

[Frankie Crocker]

I have to admit I was tempted by a Bob & Fred boot this guy was selling a few days ago....  I haven't been collecting that long and have about 40 singles and not a single boot among them... All mint but nothing really worth over £100. I love the Bob & Fred track and there is no way I will ever be able to afford (Or in reality justify) buying an original copy.  If it were available as a legitimate re-release I would buy a copy tomorrow.... I would just love the track as a 45 single. I resisted buying as I kind of thought it would "spoil" the rest of my collection, but right or wrong I can see why people are tempted to hand over money. What I don't understand are the crazy prices for something that is really pretty worthless...

You did the right thing. Better to go without than waste money on fake rubbish.

[Frankie Crocker]

this sort of thing has always gone on. I remember Shifty ebaying a bunch of boots with copied labels. So what? He stated clearly what they were just like this seller is doing. F*ck it, I'm gonna get a few carvers done. Now,who can recommend a good label scanning service? 

 

BTW, I don't really like all this carry on, but you can't really blame this bloke cashing in while there's these arseholes who want to buy this crap. Surely 

Disagree. Immoral to take advantage either by faking records or cheating low IQ collectors of their hard earned money. Fakers should stick with handbags and watches rather than spoil our hobby.

[grouse]

Disagree. Immoral to take advantage either by faking records or cheating low IQ collectors of their hard earned money. Fakers should stick with handbags and watches rather than spoil our hobby.

Collectors must have a really low IQ to fall for these.

 

There was a time when a certain amount of knowledge was needed to collect northern originals.

 

If you weren't sure that a record was original or not, you asked someone who did......

 

You either collect originals or you don't, bootlegs have been around for as long as I can remember, these are no different to any other. The fault lies with the idiots paying stupid money for worthless records.

[John A]

Disagree. Immoral to take advantage either by faking records or cheating low IQ collectors of their hard earned money. Fakers should stick with handbags and watches rather than spoil our hobby.

I don't think the people buying these are being taken advantage of. The seller quite clearly states they ain't real.

[Guest smudgesmith]

Can anyone on this post hold their hand up and say they have never sold a boot?

 

I think I know who this dealer is,as do many of the posters here i would expect and if he make money by telling

 

 prospective purchasers what he is selling then so be it.

 

We all go abroad each year and come back with knock off fakes,shirts,watches etc what makes records any different.

 

Im not condoning it,thats just how it is.

[John A]

Anyway, I hate all reissues legit or not. Even "Kent" reissues. It's not like they don't have access to a wealth of quality unissued material they could put out. But hey, that's just the snobby record collector in me.

They are never going to go away while there's others who wanna buy them.

Edited January 17, 2015 by John A

[Guest Soulskate70]

There is an "official" reissue of this on the Goldmine Sevens label

 

oops sorry John didn't see your reply

Thanks guys for the information.... I'll be buying Goldmine copy of the 45 until I either win the lottery, or can somehow justify spending that type of money on one single to my wife!!!!!!!!

[Guest Soulskate70]

Anyway, I hate all reissues legit or not. Even "Kent" reissues. It's not like they don't have access to a wealth of quality unissued material they could put out. But hey, that's just the snobby record collector in me.

They are never going to go away while there's others who wanna buy them.

You hate the Kent reissues??? Their remastered version of Rita and the Tiara's is superb.. especially when played on a decent sound system. The backing track is a lot clearer and upfront... I'm happy with a re-issue if the original is just too damn expensive....

[phatspinner]

My concern about these are how they are going to be differentiated from the originals when they come to be re-sold?

Is the vinyl clearly new in origin ?

[Quinvy]

The only trouble with threads like this is that the majority couldn't give a ****.

 

I despise boots and re-issues personally, but it's gone too far now. It's one thing to have 45's that don't look anything like the original, but once you start scanning labels it becomes very dodgy indeed. It then becomes a counterfeit as it is trying to deceive.

 

As far as the scene goes, I hate to be the one to burst some bubbles but......many of the so called big name Dj's are playing these fakes week in, week out at events all over the country, to protect their original copy. 

 

So what's the difference between your hero big name Dj, and the wannabe's? Especially when the same big name Dj sells his original copy yet continues to play the carver. After all, who would dream of questioning our hero's?

 

The hypocrisy on the scene has killed it for me. I've even been threatened for daring to go up to the decks to check the authenticity of records being played by big names.

 

Would you Dj with the Eddie Parker you had just paid £12k for?

[Ian Parker]

Well said that man. 

[Pete S]

My concern about these are how they are going to be differentiated from the originals when they come to be re-sold?

Is the vinyl clearly new in origin ?

 

Well he's using old reissues so they're going to have the old reissue information in the run off...

[Frankie Crocker]

Collectors must have a really low IQ to fall for these.

 

There was a time when a certain amount of knowledge was needed to collect northern originals.

 

If you weren't sure that a record was original or not, you asked someone who did......

 

You either collect originals or you don't, bootlegs have been around for as long as I can remember, these are no different to any other. The fault lies with the idiots paying stupid money for worthless records.

Some will perceive these records to be cheaper value-for-money alternatives when in fact they are worthless. In time, they will cause confusion in the market and buyers will be duped. We are now in an era when bootlegs are made to look like the real thing so this innovation is sure to cause problems in the future.

[Frankie Crocker]

I don't think the people buying these are being taken advantage of. The seller quite clearly states they ain't real.

Ah, but he is capitalising on the gullible. This could spoil it for new-to-the-scene record buyers who don't have much knowledge or spare cash. The records appear to be a bargain but are as pointless as goods bought in the Christmas Sales and never used.

[John A]

You hate the Kent reissues??? Their remastered version of Rita and the Tiara's is superb.. especially when played on a decent sound system. The backing track is a lot clearer and upfront... I'm happy with a re-issue if the original is just too damn expensive....

Well hate maybe a bit strong,,,,but yes. If ya want a Rita & tiaras. Buy the real thing. If ya just wanna listen to it, get a cd or download it. Just my opinion of course and each to their own.

Edited January 17, 2015 by John A

[John A]

Ah, but he is capitalising on the gullible. This could spoil it for new-to-the-scene record buyers who don't have much knowledge or spare cash. The records appear to be a bargain but are as pointless as goods bought in the Christmas Sales and never used.

I totally get what you're saying. But I've said this before. If someone's dumb enough to spend even fifty quid on a 7inch piece of plastic (and I am more than dumb enough believe me) then they need to go in armed with at least a basic level of knowledge surely. 

 I'm not defending this carry on but I do think the buyers need to shoulder most of the responsibility.

[pow wow mik]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/181637535018?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

here's an example - maybe seller is unaware, certainly doesnt say. Just crap cluttering up the place, poluting the music and the spirit of record collecting with its cheapness, and for what? For someone to make a bit of money and someone else to be an unnecesary dj - both though depending on other people doing it the right way.

In response to above posts - no, I dont buy fake clothes either, but its not the same anyway ; casual wear isn't a beautiful artform that should be loved and respected, and doesn't support or sustain grass roots non-profiteering social culture.

lot of us on here have been early on newies, had one offs, rarities, in demand records and acetates but haven't made boots of them or cashed in in any way.

I'd rather graft for tenner an hour than squeezing money out of something good, that isnt mine to sell, or by creating superflous crap that enables chancers to appear on-trend. And I prove this by doing exactly that.

Phil I'm shocked that big djs play boots on the northern scene, talk about having your cake and eating it. All I can say is that on the scene I've djed on for the last ten years - mod and r&b I suppose - I've never known anyone play a boot or reissue at a do ive been at. In 2008 I saw someone play that 70s mosquitos boot of manny corchado and pulled them up on it :-)

should name and shame, I would. No good ever came of arse kissing, back slapping, double standards or cheating. Meaningful culture thrives on integrity.

Edited January 17, 2015 by pow wow mik

[phatspinner]

Well he's using old reissues so they're going to have the old reissue information in the run off...

  Yes Pete thanks, but who knows what's in the reissue run offs as opposed to the originals ? The info is only in the bootleg guide if it's been bootlegged ! Maybe the next Price Guide will need to have orginal matrix information included to help differentiate if you can't tell labels apart. And do you think that every one is really an old reissue underneath ?