George G Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) Regarding this topic... I believe the crook is back in business. https://www.ebay.com/sch/one4themoney2fortheshow7827/m.html?item=161556062250&hash=item259d7de02a&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 The scans for the Empires and Detroit Sounds of Friction are recycled from previous auctions. Also, the seller is listed as being from the same area. The scans are clearly been resampled/resized using some cheap SW. Penetrations on Highland is also a reused scan. Just thought I would pass it along..... Edited January 15, 2015 by George G 3
Guest Aaron Darcy Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Many thanks George for the heads up. Looks like he is back ' very cleaver under different name every time he comes back to scam. Total fooking scumbag
Bo Diddley Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 The Trips 45 looks like the same picture as this one from October 2014... https://www.popsike.com/Northern-Soul-45-Trips-Love-Cant-Be-Modernized-Soundville-mp3-rare/201192216780.html (small mark on vinyl at 3 o'clock, tiny dot/mark on label at about 10 o'clock)
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Thx a lot for the warning as i was going to bid on the detroit sounds of f.
JOE TORQUAY Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 odd i've just had an email with detroit sounds of friction for sale for £2250 https://www.rarenorthernsoul.com/
Ncfc Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) odd i've just had an email with detroit sounds of friction for sale for £2250 https://www.rarenorthernsoul.com/ His description of it is a bit dodgy..Mines ex green stock copy and their are more copies (mine include) than the half a dozen he mentioned. Edited January 15, 2015 by NCFC 1
Dave Thorley Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 His description of it is a bit dodgy..Mines ex green stock copy and their are more copies (mine include) than the half a dozen he mentioned. John Anderson said he found about 50 copies in a old record store in Louisville that was closing down, so at least that many. But very few have turn up since and that was 25 years ago 2
Mrtag Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 If this is the same seller he took Ebay/Paypal and punters for over $8000!!! last year. I bought the Summits Or Not depending how you look at it!!! I paid for it but never received it!! Paypal gave me the money back!!
Mrtag Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 odd i've just had an email with detroit sounds of friction for sale for £2250 https://www.rarenorthernsoul.com/ Had the same one!
Guest Kipco Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Thought you folks might want a little heads up on what appears to be a fraudulent seller on Ebay with a couple of heavy hitters that look pretty fishy. This guy has already been outed by some Rockabilly collectors on one of their pages and after some investigating I thought maybe I should share my findings. His Ebay user name is one4themoney2fortheshow7827. His real name appears to be James Coley from McDermott, Ohio in the US. Apparently he sells low dollar items and lots to get a few feedbacks under his belt, then uses Popsike images for rare records he doesn't actually own and rips people off from there. He presently has a Lenny Curtis on End and an Empires on Candi up for bids. I did some searching on Popsike and found what I believe are the original label scans he used for his listings after he photoshopped them to look different. I have posted the comparisons below...the original is on the left, the one from his listing is on the right. Just wanted to help get the word out. The Rockabilly community is already hip to him and he's had two bids withdrawn on a rare Rockabilly piece he has up, one for $266 and one for $1000! Cheers!
Guest Kipco Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 I did a label comparison on his Lenny Curtis and his Empires and found the originals on Popsike. He doctored them a little bit with Photoshop but you can totally tell. The original is on the left, his is on the right in each picture.
Guest Kipco Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 I did a label comparison on his Lenny Curtis and his Empires and found the originals on Popsike. He doctored them a little bit with Photoshop but you can totally tell. The original is on the left, his is on the right in each picture.
Cover-up Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 I did a label comparison on his Lenny Curtis and his Empires and found the originals on Popsike. He doctored them a little bit with Photoshop but you can totally tell. The original is on the left, his is on the right in each picture. I'm not seeing it with Lenny Curtis. Look like two different records? See what you mean about the Empires, though...
George G Posted January 15, 2015 Author Posted January 15, 2015 The Empires scan posted above is clearly been doctored for the fraud auction, as I said above I found matches for sources of the doctored Detroit Sounds of Friction and the Penetrations, so here they are The original scan for Detroit Sounds of Friction https://www.collectorsfrenzy.com/details/220674350055/DETROIT_SOUNDS_OF_FRICTION_Heavy_Sound_northern_soul_45 Original scan for the Penetrations https://www.collectorsfrenzy.com/details/381047406354/Northern_Soul_45__Penetrations__Sweet_Sweet_Baby__Highland__mp3
Guest Kipco Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 I did a label comparison on his Lenny Curtis and his Empires and found the originals on Popsike. He doctored them a little bit with Photoshop but you can totally tell. The original is on the left, his is on the right in each picture. The tip off for me was that they were positioned exactly the same. What are the odds of two different people at two different times positioning the records for scanning exactly the same? If you follow the line on the orange portion on Lenny they line up exact. The seller has also done a color tweeze on the label with Photoshop to make it look different. The fuzziness of the black lettering gives it away. The Empires is as a very slight angle in both pics and the wear on the black lettering of the song title is identical.
Frankie Crocker Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Good work George. I bid on these early doors, more to get a winning bid notification than a let's get a regular update on this and have a serious shot if they're on the low side. I should have been more alert as both Detroit Sounds and Empires have popped up very recently, yet they're dead rare. Hopefully you have saved someone a lot of bother but a few punters have been caught out even at this early stage, particularly if they're not on Soul Source.
Benji Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Seconded, good work! Lenny Curtis scans are very close, not the same though. E.g. label damage on the left side is different.
Thecivilservice Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 I did a label comparison on his Lenny Curtis and his Empires and found the originals on Popsike. He doctored them a little bit with Photoshop but you can totally tell. The original is on the left, his is on the right in each picture. re. Lenny Curtis - look at the position of the 961 relative to the red band, or the cat. number at the bottom relative to the text nearest it, there appears to be a difference in spacing in the two scans, I would say it's a different record
Mace Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I did a label comparison on his Lenny Curtis and his Empires and found the originals on Popsike. He doctored them a little bit with Photoshop but you can totally tell. The original is on the left, his is on the right in each picture. Empires is deffo same pic....not same Lenny Curtis....centre hole cuts through orange/red band into blue background on one but not other....some of label wear is also different and the comment about the 961 spacing is spot on
Mace Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) Looks like Lenny Curtis was lifted off Pat Bradys site... It's been cropped and rotated but looks same to me.... https://www.northernsoul45s.co.uk/auctions_detail.asp?id=360 Edited January 17, 2015 by Mace 2
Garswood Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Looks like Lenny Curtis was lifted off Pat Bradys site... It's been cropped and rotated but looks same to me....https://www.northernsoul45s.co.uk/auctions_detail.asp?id=360lenny curtis.jpglenny curtis 2.jpg Well spotted, the ring wear is exactly the same
NEV Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Oh dear,looks like someone's gonna be in for disappointment soon... Anyone notified the powers that be yet? Although, from past experience,they probs won't act until after the event
Mace Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Probably more effective notifying PayPal that they gonna be refunding some serious coin to a few poor souls (no pun intended)
Mace Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 As a side note, always worth checking Google Images as well as Popsike and Collectors Fenzy if in doubt, cus that's how I found the Pat Brady scan.....
NEV Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I think that E.WILLIAMS on JAYDEE is a scam too ... you lot best steer clear 2
Ernie Andrews Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) Empires is deffo same pic....not same Lenny Curtis....centre hole cuts through orange/red band into blue background on one but not other....some of label wear is also different and the comment about the 961 spacing is spot on Mace look at the edge wear of the label on the left side - Its the same! well it is to me if you line up certain parts Edited January 17, 2015 by Ernie Andrews
Russoul1 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 see hes added the b side scan for the empires on request, is it still the same pic/45 as previously talked about above?
Mace Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Mace look at the edge wear of the label on the left side - Its exactly the same! Ernie, in respect to the Lenny Curtis I've since posted the exact scan he's used from Pat Bradys site....that other one was different in quite a few ways as folk have detailed.
Ted Massey Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 over 500$ now obviously don't see SS or FB
Mellorful Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Probably more effective notifying PayPal that they gonna be refunding some serious coin to a few poor souls (no pun intended) I have reported 4 items to Ebay. If they are slow out of the blocks then they may be scammed, if they act quickly they may save themselves a few bob and avoid some disappointed customers.
NEV Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I think that E.WILLIAMS on JAYDEE is a scam too ... you lot best steer clear As long as you lot are concentrating on this pile of poop ,I'm safe with the good stuff ;) 2
Flanny Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Oh sugar I've just bought the trips of this guy and paid what do I do sit and wait and give it the benefit or report it HELP
Dave Pinch Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Oh sugar I've just bought the trips of this guy and paid what do I do sit and wait and give it the benefit or report it HELP i think sit tight for 3 weeks.... then think about a claim... keep tabs on his user account see if it stays active
Bazm Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Oh sugar I've just bought the trips of this guy and paid what do I do sit and wait and give it the benefit or report it HELP PM'd you take a look, I'd call my money back straight away.
Mace Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Flanny, if it's sent registered then when your package arrives film yourself receiving if from postman as you sign and tell the postie you need them to wait as you open it in front of them so they can witness if package is empty.....film it all and include a link to the thread as proof you've been scammed.... If you ain't home but someone else is tell them to not sign for it and go collect from sorting office personall.....explain same to them and film yourself opening in front of a PO witnes. I should imagine all buyer will be ripped off so it should become apparent to ebay & PayPal that you have been scammed, but I'd cover your arse in this way all the same. 1
Dunc Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I think the same person had some decent stuff for sale the week before. One of them was The Headlines "Looking for Love" on Laua. It ended at only $107. I woz gonna put a bid on and forgot. Thankfully. Check on completed listings. Yours forgetfully!!!
Bazm Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I think the same person had some decent stuff for sale the week before. One of them was The Headlines "Looking for Love" on Laua. It ended at only $107. I woz gonna put a bid on and forgot. Thankfully. Check on completed listings. Yours forgetfully!!! Hi Dunc....wasn't the same seller
Flanny Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Flanny, if it's sent registered then when your package arrives film yourself receiving if from postman as you sign and tell the postie you need them to wait as you open it in front of them so they can witness if package is empty.....film it all and include a link to the thread as proof you've been scammed.... If you ain't home but someone else is tell them to not sign for it and go collect from sorting office personall.....explain same to them and film yourself opening in front of a PO witnes. I should imagine all buyer will be ripped off so it should become apparent to ebay & PayPal that you have been scammed, but I'd cover your arse in this way all the same. He's not provided a tracking number as yet and only charged 12 dollars postage
Mace Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Then I would contact ebay & PayPal with your concerns as soon as possible,they might tell you to wait to see if it arrives but at least you have alerted them to the possible scam. Edited January 24, 2015 by Mace
Mrtag Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 He only charged me $12 for something I didn't receive which I thought was a bit expensive 'cause the stuff I did receive elsewhere was only $12.50
Bo Diddley Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 He's not provided a tracking number as yet and only charged 12 dollars postage If you do need to complain, also refer to the 1 on popsike I mentioned in post no. 3
Soulskate Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 The negative feedback begins....... McDermott, Ohio is the new Belgium it seems.
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