Hope some of you old Wigan Guys can tell me a bit about this one.It has always been one of my all time faves and just exudes Northern Soul.I realise is was unissued but who started spinning it and just how big a spin was it.

My first encounter with it was like many others from playing the Talk Of The Grapevine LP so is this the way most DJs have spun it since.Has it ever been released on a 45

Does anyone play out 'Spellbound' from the Grapevine Lp ? Poor mastering/sound quality imo . 'Detroit' Lp cut much better .

  On 29/12/2014 at 10:08, andybellwood said:

Does anyone play out 'Spellbound' from the Grapevine Lp ? Poor mastering/sound quality imo . 'Detroit' Lp cut much better .

 

It's not that it's poor, it's just that to cram on 10 tracks per side, the sound gets quieter and quieter, so everything on that album is at a low volume.

Gonna resurect this thread due to my love of the track.I have the Grapevine LP with Spellbound on, but agree with Andy that the mastering is poor.Would love to play it out and would like to know if the recent first 45 release is ok to play at an OVO event.Is it legit and acceptable or is it a case of having to spin the first album release.Have any DJs spun the recent 45 and is it good sound quality.

 

She sung it live at the Detroit gig last October..........along with SIIS.

Unless you get discs cut from the Master tapes, surely grapevine is good, LP or single.

Ed

 

  On 02/02/2018 at 09:13, tomangoes said:

She sung it live at the Detroit gig last October..........along with SIIS.

Ed

 

Ed. I was lucky enough to see her at the Northampton weekender a few years back.

Steve 

 

The feedback im getting is thatThe original grapevine LP release is the only acceptable way to play it at an OV night.Real shame about the sound quality if i play it you have to mess about with gain and bass programming on mixer to get half descent results.Tragic that a 45 wasnt put out at the time

Goosebumps all round....

She just has that voice that gets you!

Betty Winston of course...

Ed

  On 02/02/2018 at 14:23, Patto said:

 

The feedback im getting is thatThe original grapevine LP release is the only acceptable way to play it at an OV night.Real shame about the sound quality if i play it you have to mess about with gain and bass programming on mixer to get half descent results.Tragic that a 45 wasnt put out at the time

What’s wrong with the Soul Junction 45? Whoever is giving the feedback is talking bollox IMO.  You get th3badded bonus of the instrumental too if thet float yer boat. 

  On 02/02/2018 at 14:39, chalky said:

What’s wrong with the Soul Junction 45? Whoever is giving the feedback is talking bollox IMO.  You get th3badded bonus of the instrumental too if thet float yer boat. 

Totally agree with you Chalky,there

is absolutely nothing wrong with it,

i play it on the decks at venues as

original vinyl and it goes down a 

treat,the sound quality is excellent.

 

Hope that answers your question

Patto, it's okay to play it mate,

it is an original 45 release,LP's

are not singles.

The thing is guys from an OVO standpoint the Original is on the LP .The 45 is some 40 years later.So if the venue is OVO then regardless of 45 or LP it has to be its first legit vinyl release.Rightly or wrongly this is how many view it .

Watch out for the soul police . Chin strokers visiting a venue near you.  

Steve 

  On 02/02/2018 at 16:08, Winsford Soul said:

Watch out for the soul police . Chin strokers visiting a venue near you.  

Steve 

Steve im by no way shape or form a Soul police lover .I do DJ at OVO nights and only knowingly spin Originals.I do care what OVO Djs think and as i dont know everything like most so i welcome opinions..I would love to spin the 45 if it were acceptable

Edited February 2, 20187 yr by Patto

  On 02/02/2018 at 16:24, Patto said:

Steve im by no way shape or form a police lover soul or otherwise.I do DJ at OVO nights and only knowingly spin Originals.I do care what OVO Djs think and as i dont know everything like most so i welcome opinions.

I wasn't having a go at you mate. I like yourself DJ, ed at many nighters all over the country   and only ever played out original vinyl because I was fortunate enough to be able to afford them and that's how I was brought up on the nighter scene.  I was just trying to lighten up the thread. I personally don't care at certain soul nights  whatever the format.  Others for example I wouldn't even question the integrity of the promoters or Djs as to the format

Steve 

  On 02/02/2018 at 16:36, Winsford Soul said:

I wasn't having a go at you mate. I like yourself DJ, ed at many nighters all over the country   and only ever played out original vinyl because I was fortunate enough to be able to afford them and that's how I was brought up on the nighter scene.  I was just trying to lighten up the thread. I personally don't care at certain soul nights  whatever the format.  Others for example I wouldn't even question the integrity of the promoters or Djs as to the format

Steve 

No problem steve these Tamiflu tablets are making me paranoid.Appologies for the snap 

  On 02/02/2018 at 15:52, Patto said:

The thing is guys from an OVO standpoint the Original is on the LP .The 45 is some 40 years later.So if the venue is OVO then regardless of 45 or LP it has to be its first legit vinyl release.Rightly or wrongly this is how many view it .

So by the same token you can’t play any release on a 45 released 30/40 years after its original recording date?  

It is the original release in a 45, all dues paid.  

Some need to take their heads out of their arses before they disappear up it completely.

they make the rules up as they go along half of em, so long as it suits them  

 

Edited February 2, 20187 yr by chalky

Does make me laugh, has anyone told Betty we aren’t allowed to play her record 😂 

  On 02/02/2018 at 19:12, chalky said:

So by the same token you can’t play any release on a 45 released 30/40 years after its original recording date?  

It is the original release in a 45, all dues paid.  

Some need to take their heads out of their arses before they disappear up it completely.

they make the rules up as they go along half of em, so long as it suits them  

 

Thanks for your opinion Chalky.Im not trying to make any rules up just asking for different points of view so i can make up my own mind.I Want to play Bettys record just would like opinions on what is the prefered Format at an OVO night thats all.

Edited February 2, 20187 yr by Patto

  On 02/02/2018 at 22:14, Patto said:

Thanks for your opinion Chalky.Im not trying to make any rules up just asking for different points of view so i can make up my own mind.I Want to play Bettys record just would like opinions on what is the prefered Format at an OVO night thats all.

I’m not suggesting you are.  But some clearly are.  Who makes up these rules and by what authority have they the right to impose them on everyone else?  

It is about the music but it is becoming increasingly more and more about the person, the Dj, the promoter.  

Most top Djs have played a cut or something what others would perceive as dodgy, it was the only way to hear the music at one time.  I’ve heard some idiots come out with laws regarding no Lps (when most of the time they are the true original), no demos, no acetates etc etc.  

Most of us know the score and we survived for many decades without the OVO stupidity and we got by without resorting to bootlegs which ultimately is what it should be about, or by playing recent issues of records that had an original release, not depriving dancers of good music just because it doesn’t suit the release criteria of some. 

Edited February 3, 20187 yr by chalky

Play it! 100% play it! 

It's an unreleased at the time masterpiece. There's a world of difference in my eyes to 'DJs' playing something like this and trotting out 17 dodgy reissues/bootlegs. 

Some of the Pied Piper stuff from Ady was originally released on CD so when the 45s were done should we not buy 'em and play 'em? Surely that can't be right?

Best,

Dave 

 

 

 

  On 03/02/2018 at 10:35, Dave Moore said:

Play it! 100% play it! 

It's an unreleased at the time masterpiece. There's a world of difference in my eyes to 'DJs' playing something like this and trotting out 17 dodgy reissues/bootlegs. 

Some of the Pied Piper stuff from Ady was originally released on CD so when the 45s were done should we not buy 'em and play 'em? Surely that can't be right?

 

Thanks Dave if the Grapevine LP cut was good quality i would just play it from there as its the first time it appeared on Vinyl. BUT the cut is poor thats why im asking about the recent 45 

 

Edited February 3, 20187 yr by Patto

Play the 45 but take the album so any crap and you can point out you gave them the best quality version,

  On 03/02/2018 at 17:46, mellorful said:

Play the 45 but take the album so any crap and you can point out you gave them the best quality version,

any crap just tell em to f*** off 

 

  On 03/02/2018 at 17:47, chalky said:

any crap just tell em to f*** off 

Get everyone to sign a disclaimer on the door. 

“By signing this document you hereby accept that Patto will be playing Betty Boo, Spell Bound, from a Soul Junction 45, a legitimate and first release on a 7. Furthermore, the soul police have no juristriction in this matter.”

  On 03/02/2018 at 18:17, Peter99 said:

 

Get everyone to sign a disclaimer on the door. 

“By signing this document you hereby accept that Patto will be playing Betty Boo, Spell Bound, from a Soul Junction 45, a legitimate and first release on a 7. Furthermore, the soul police have no juristriction in this matter.”

Nice one Peter made me smile mate cheers

  On 03/02/2018 at 18:36, Patto said:

Nice one Peter made me smile mate cheers

Good lad. 

Pete

I've got the original acetate which poke used to play at Cleethorpes ......... vocal / inst . JM auctioned the Vocal a few years back . 

Pumpkinseed - pull it out from down the back of you're settee - and put a picture up - top draw stuff as always

  On 03/02/2018 at 19:50, pumpkinseed said:

I've got the original acetate which poke used to play at Cleethorpes ......... vocal / inst . JM auctioned the Vocal a few years back . 

That the RCA acetate Carl?

not directly connected but along the same lines

 

Melba Moore - Magic Touch

Original release

Which came first, the LP release (May 86) or the anniversary single (Sept 86) release? based on that which is the original release and further more is it legit to play it off Horaces (1987)

Ah a conundrum if ever there was one

  On 05/02/2018 at 20:46, AndyKempster said:

not directly connected but along the same lines

 

Melba Moore - Magic Touch

Original release

Which came first, the LP release (May 86) or the anniversary single (Sept 86) release? based on that which is the original release and further more is it legit to play it off Horaces (1987)

Ah a conundrum if ever there was one

You can go right back to the 60s though with the original releases with this argument, which is ok the lp or the 45, the local kr the national release, all of course. But some are making these rules up to justify or give themselves some kudos for the huge amounts they spend on 45s. I mean when they spend 100s on a 45 or 45s they don’t want someone spoiling their moment with a £20 Lp. 

  On 05/02/2018 at 21:18, chalky said:

You can go right back to the 60s though with the original releases with this argument, which is ok the lp or the 45, the local kr the national release, all of course. But some are making these rules up to justify or give themselves some kudos for the huge amounts they spend on 45s. I mean when they spend 100s on a 45 or 45s they don’t want someone spoiling their moment with a £20 Lp. 

That's pretty much where I was going mate, it's all a bit OVO gone mad

UPDATE. after talking it over with several DJs whos opinions i respect i have made my own mind up in favour of the Soul Junction 45.I Have purchased one and can confirm its a top quality recording on nice thick vinyl.

The 45 as far as i can make out is the first Deffo legit dues paid release.So thanks for all who contributed to the thread and sent PMs 

Its a real can of worms and over recent years several LP only tracks have come out on legit fist time on 45 releases.A few that come to mind are The Magnificent Men -- Keep on climbing Which has been released on a capitol box set series.There was the UK A B C release of Bobby Hutton-- Lend a Hand which was first on an Album many years previous.Another one i was not sure about was The Hesitations-- Thats What Love Is  which was released on a Soul Series 45 after being on the Soul Superman LP of course.

So from an OV point of view it can be confusing as some say its got to be the original L P and others say the Orig Legit 45 is fine to play.

Im always up for learning and non of us know everything .It can be a bit intimidating asking on here and even thick skinned Hairy arsed ex Miners like me can get over sensitive .But you cant beat talking about records at the end of the day

The right decision mate

Well done mate,pleased that

you made the right call. 

 

 

 

OVO?

Probably up to the mid 70s, that was pretty much your only option:)

Then came boots, reissues, emidiscs, etc.

What about the policy at Soul in the Sun?

Cd or MP3 only........

There its more about knowledge than possession... makes you think, for sure!

Just saying..

Ed