Hitsville Chalky Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 I'm going back to about 1999 mate when they were still cut on proper acetates...plus I got it wrong, it wasn't Spellbound, it was actually Spaceland! I had spaceland too ..with hankey pankey on the other side
Andybellwood Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Does anyone play out 'Spellbound' from the Grapevine Lp ? Poor mastering/sound quality imo . 'Detroit' Lp cut much better .
Pete S Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Does anyone play out 'Spellbound' from the Grapevine Lp ? Poor mastering/sound quality imo . 'Detroit' Lp cut much better . It's not that it's poor, it's just that to cram on 10 tracks per side, the sound gets quieter and quieter, so everything on that album is at a low volume. 1
Patto Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 Gonna resurect this thread due to my love of the track.I have the Grapevine LP with Spellbound on, but agree with Andy that the mastering is poor.Would love to play it out and would like to know if the recent first 45 release is ok to play at an OVO event.Is it legit and acceptable or is it a case of having to spin the first album release.Have any DJs spun the recent 45 and is it good sound quality.
Tomangoes Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 She sung it live at the Detroit gig last October..........along with SIIS. Unless you get discs cut from the Master tapes, surely grapevine is good, LP or single. Ed
Winsford Soul Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, tomangoes said: She sung it live at the Detroit gig last October..........along with SIIS. Ed Ed. I was lucky enough to see her at the Northampton weekender a few years back. Steve
Patto Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 The feedback im getting is thatThe original grapevine LP release is the only acceptable way to play it at an OV night.Real shame about the sound quality if i play it you have to mess about with gain and bass programming on mixer to get half descent results.Tragic that a 45 wasnt put out at the time
Tomangoes Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 Goosebumps all round.... She just has that voice that gets you! Betty Winston of course... Ed
Popular Post Chalky Posted February 2, 2018 Popular Post Posted February 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, Patto said: The feedback im getting is thatThe original grapevine LP release is the only acceptable way to play it at an OV night.Real shame about the sound quality if i play it you have to mess about with gain and bass programming on mixer to get half descent results.Tragic that a 45 wasnt put out at the time What’s wrong with the Soul Junction 45? Whoever is giving the feedback is talking bollox IMO. You get th3badded bonus of the instrumental too if thet float yer boat. 7
Mustang Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 38 minutes ago, chalky said: What’s wrong with the Soul Junction 45? Whoever is giving the feedback is talking bollox IMO. You get th3badded bonus of the instrumental too if thet float yer boat. Totally agree with you Chalky,there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, i play it on the decks at venues as original vinyl and it goes down a treat,the sound quality is excellent. Hope that answers your question Patto, it's okay to play it mate, it is an original 45 release,LP's are not singles. 1
Patto Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 The thing is guys from an OVO standpoint the Original is on the LP .The 45 is some 40 years later.So if the venue is OVO then regardless of 45 or LP it has to be its first legit vinyl release.Rightly or wrongly this is how many view it .
Winsford Soul Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 Watch out for the soul police . Chin strokers visiting a venue near you. Steve 1
Patto Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said: Watch out for the soul police . Chin strokers visiting a venue near you. Steve Steve im by no way shape or form a Soul police lover .I do DJ at OVO nights and only knowingly spin Originals.I do care what OVO Djs think and as i dont know everything like most so i welcome opinions..I would love to spin the 45 if it were acceptable Edited February 2, 2018 by Patto
Winsford Soul Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Patto said: Steve im by no way shape or form a police lover soul or otherwise.I do DJ at OVO nights and only knowingly spin Originals.I do care what OVO Djs think and as i dont know everything like most so i welcome opinions. I wasn't having a go at you mate. I like yourself DJ, ed at many nighters all over the country and only ever played out original vinyl because I was fortunate enough to be able to afford them and that's how I was brought up on the nighter scene. I was just trying to lighten up the thread. I personally don't care at certain soul nights whatever the format. Others for example I wouldn't even question the integrity of the promoters or Djs as to the format Steve
Patto Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Winsford Soul said: I wasn't having a go at you mate. I like yourself DJ, ed at many nighters all over the country and only ever played out original vinyl because I was fortunate enough to be able to afford them and that's how I was brought up on the nighter scene. I was just trying to lighten up the thread. I personally don't care at certain soul nights whatever the format. Others for example I wouldn't even question the integrity of the promoters or Djs as to the format Steve No problem steve these Tamiflu tablets are making me paranoid.Appologies for the snap 1
Popular Post Chalky Posted February 2, 2018 Popular Post Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Patto said: The thing is guys from an OVO standpoint the Original is on the LP .The 45 is some 40 years later.So if the venue is OVO then regardless of 45 or LP it has to be its first legit vinyl release.Rightly or wrongly this is how many view it . So by the same token you can’t play any release on a 45 released 30/40 years after its original recording date? It is the original release in a 45, all dues paid. Some need to take their heads out of their arses before they disappear up it completely. they make the rules up as they go along half of em, so long as it suits them Edited February 2, 2018 by chalky 6
Chalky Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 Does make me laugh, has anyone told Betty we aren’t allowed to play her record 😂 3
Patto Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, chalky said: So by the same token you can’t play any release on a 45 released 30/40 years after its original recording date? It is the original release in a 45, all dues paid. Some need to take their heads out of their arses before they disappear up it completely. they make the rules up as they go along half of em, so long as it suits them Thanks for your opinion Chalky.Im not trying to make any rules up just asking for different points of view so i can make up my own mind.I Want to play Bettys record just would like opinions on what is the prefered Format at an OVO night thats all. Edited February 2, 2018 by Patto
Popular Post Chalky Posted February 3, 2018 Popular Post Posted February 3, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Patto said: Thanks for your opinion Chalky.Im not trying to make any rules up just asking for different points of view so i can make up my own mind.I Want to play Bettys record just would like opinions on what is the prefered Format at an OVO night thats all. I’m not suggesting you are. But some clearly are. Who makes up these rules and by what authority have they the right to impose them on everyone else? It is about the music but it is becoming increasingly more and more about the person, the Dj, the promoter. Most top Djs have played a cut or something what others would perceive as dodgy, it was the only way to hear the music at one time. I’ve heard some idiots come out with laws regarding no Lps (when most of the time they are the true original), no demos, no acetates etc etc. Most of us know the score and we survived for many decades without the OVO stupidity and we got by without resorting to bootlegs which ultimately is what it should be about, or by playing recent issues of records that had an original release, not depriving dancers of good music just because it doesn’t suit the release criteria of some. Edited February 3, 2018 by chalky 5
Dave Moore Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 Play it! 100% play it! It's an unreleased at the time masterpiece. There's a world of difference in my eyes to 'DJs' playing something like this and trotting out 17 dodgy reissues/bootlegs. Some of the Pied Piper stuff from Ady was originally released on CD so when the 45s were done should we not buy 'em and play 'em? Surely that can't be right? Best, Dave
Patto Posted February 3, 2018 Author Posted February 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dave Moore said: Play it! 100% play it! It's an unreleased at the time masterpiece. There's a world of difference in my eyes to 'DJs' playing something like this and trotting out 17 dodgy reissues/bootlegs. Some of the Pied Piper stuff from Ady was originally released on CD so when the 45s were done should we not buy 'em and play 'em? Surely that can't be right? Thanks Dave if the Grapevine LP cut was good quality i would just play it from there as its the first time it appeared on Vinyl. BUT the cut is poor thats why im asking about the recent 45 Edited February 3, 2018 by Patto
Mellorful Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 Play the 45 but take the album so any crap and you can point out you gave them the best quality version, 2
Chalky Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 1 minute ago, mellorful said: Play the 45 but take the album so any crap and you can point out you gave them the best quality version, any crap just tell em to f*** off 3
Peter99 Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 20 minutes ago, chalky said: any crap just tell em to f*** off Get everyone to sign a disclaimer on the door. “By signing this document you hereby accept that Patto will be playing Betty Boo, Spell Bound, from a Soul Junction 45, a legitimate and first release on a 7. Furthermore, the soul police have no juristriction in this matter.” 3
Patto Posted February 3, 2018 Author Posted February 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, Peter99 said: Get everyone to sign a disclaimer on the door. “By signing this document you hereby accept that Patto will be playing Betty Boo, Spell Bound, from a Soul Junction 45, a legitimate and first release on a 7. Furthermore, the soul police have no juristriction in this matter.” Nice one Peter made me smile mate cheers
Peter99 Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, Patto said: Nice one Peter made me smile mate cheers Good lad. Pete
Pumpkinseed Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 I've got the original acetate which poke used to play at Cleethorpes ......... vocal / inst . JM auctioned the Vocal a few years back . 2
Zoomsoulblue Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Pumpkinseed - pull it out from down the back of you're settee - and put a picture up - top draw stuff as always
Chalky Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 15 hours ago, pumpkinseed said: I've got the original acetate which poke used to play at Cleethorpes ......... vocal / inst . JM auctioned the Vocal a few years back . That the RCA acetate Carl?
Andykempster Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 not directly connected but along the same lines Melba Moore - Magic Touch Original release Which came first, the LP release (May 86) or the anniversary single (Sept 86) release? based on that which is the original release and further more is it legit to play it off Horaces (1987) Ah a conundrum if ever there was one
Chalky Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 31 minutes ago, AndyKempster said: not directly connected but along the same lines Melba Moore - Magic Touch Original release Which came first, the LP release (May 86) or the anniversary single (Sept 86) release? based on that which is the original release and further more is it legit to play it off Horaces (1987) Ah a conundrum if ever there was one You can go right back to the 60s though with the original releases with this argument, which is ok the lp or the 45, the local kr the national release, all of course. But some are making these rules up to justify or give themselves some kudos for the huge amounts they spend on 45s. I mean when they spend 100s on a 45 or 45s they don’t want someone spoiling their moment with a £20 Lp. 1
Andykempster Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 42 minutes ago, chalky said: You can go right back to the 60s though with the original releases with this argument, which is ok the lp or the 45, the local kr the national release, all of course. But some are making these rules up to justify or give themselves some kudos for the huge amounts they spend on 45s. I mean when they spend 100s on a 45 or 45s they don’t want someone spoiling their moment with a £20 Lp. That's pretty much where I was going mate, it's all a bit OVO gone mad 2
Popular Post Patto Posted February 6, 2018 Author Popular Post Posted February 6, 2018 UPDATE. after talking it over with several DJs whos opinions i respect i have made my own mind up in favour of the Soul Junction 45.I Have purchased one and can confirm its a top quality recording on nice thick vinyl. The 45 as far as i can make out is the first Deffo legit dues paid release.So thanks for all who contributed to the thread and sent PMs Its a real can of worms and over recent years several LP only tracks have come out on legit fist time on 45 releases.A few that come to mind are The Magnificent Men -- Keep on climbing Which has been released on a capitol box set series.There was the UK A B C release of Bobby Hutton-- Lend a Hand which was first on an Album many years previous.Another one i was not sure about was The Hesitations-- Thats What Love Is which was released on a Soul Series 45 after being on the Soul Superman LP of course. So from an OV point of view it can be confusing as some say its got to be the original L P and others say the Orig Legit 45 is fine to play. Im always up for learning and non of us know everything .It can be a bit intimidating asking on here and even thick skinned Hairy arsed ex Miners like me can get over sensitive .But you cant beat talking about records at the end of the day 5
Mustang Posted February 7, 2018 Posted February 7, 2018 Well done mate,pleased that you made the right call. 2
Tomangoes Posted February 7, 2018 Posted February 7, 2018 OVO? Probably up to the mid 70s, that was pretty much your only option:) Then came boots, reissues, emidiscs, etc. What about the policy at Soul in the Sun? Cd or MP3 only........ There its more about knowledge than possession... makes you think, for sure! Just saying.. Ed
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