Big Money, Low Regard

[ulyssees]

If things follow as before a superb double header is about to be relegated to the ranks of " overrated" because of its celebrity status bought about by value. I am talking about the London issue of Darell Banks. Please don't let it happen, this is one of the cornerstones of our music, but, be aware it will be under threat.

 

Yule.

[TOAD]

And may I ask your definition of overrated...do tell....

[ulyssees]

Overrated as in, was once loved but then became known by a wider public because of its high value and attained some sort of novelty value. Exactly what happened with Frank Wilson, it's really a case of not being able to see the wood for the trees.

 

yule.

[Mal C]

What's the question again?

[Davenpete]

Yes but Do I Love You - whilst likeable and a good dancer is NOT a very good record - even FW thought it was a second rate.

 

Have to say that whilst the Darrell Banks is an interesting oddity, whoever buys it has more money than sense - I've no doubt they'll be someone extremely wealthy who can easily afford it, but just think about all the other fabulous stuff you could buy with the many £000s they'd save simply by buying a US original.

 

Dx

Edited December 21, 2014 by DaveNPete

[KevH]

If things follow as before a superb double header is about to be relegated to the ranks of " overrated" because of its celebrity status bought about by value. I am talking about the London issue of Darell Banks. Please don't let it happen, this is one of the cornerstones of our music, but, be aware it will be under threat

Yule.

this record can never be slated or dragged down, only elevated by this London find. Already a classic double sider can't see that changing. Bombproof.

[KevH]

If things follow as before a superb double header is about to be relegated to the ranks of " overrated" because of its celebrity status bought about by value. I am talking about the London issue of Darell Banks. Please don't let it happen, this is one of the cornerstones of our music, but, be aware it will be under threat

Yule.

this record can never be slated or dragged down, only elevated by this London find. Already a classic double sider can't see that changing. Bombproof.

[Labeat]

Yes but Do I Love You - whilst likeable and a good dancer is NOT a very good record - even FW thought it was a second rate.

 

Have to say that whilst the Darrell Banks is an interesting oddity, whoever buys it has more money than sense - I've no doubt they'll be someone extremely wealthy who can easily afford it, but just think about all the other fabulous stuff you could buy with the many £000s they'd save simply by buying a US original.

 

Dx

 

Darrell Banks and Frank Wilson.... I think we should all be able to sing the words backwards by now!

[Hill868]

Yes but Do I Love You - whilst likeable and a good dancer is NOT a very good record - even FW thought it was a second rate.

 

Have to say that whilst the Darrell Banks is an interesting oddity, whoever buys it has more money than sense - I've no doubt they'll be someone extremely wealthy who can easily afford it, but just think about all the other fabulous stuff you could buy with the many £000s they'd save simply by buying a US original.

 

Dx

Don't agree that Frank Wilson is not a good record - it is a bloody good record that has suffered from vast overplays and being greatly commercialised by many reissues and boots, etc

[Guest Matt Male]

I wonder if there's an issue of it going abroad? After all it's a British release, the only one of its kind, and it would be nice if it stayed in Britain.

[Philt]

One of the best of all-time.

 

Don't get the British thing at all, never have.  The winner will have to pop the middle bit out as a matter of principle 

Edited December 21, 2014 by PhilT

[manus]

Can't imagine any genuine Soul fans ever tiring of this wonderful record , maybe the sort of folk who see records as a vehicle for self promotion might cast it aside as "having had their use out of it" but personally always happy to hear it played out and I don't think it's been over exposed in the way Frank Wilson was.

Edited December 21, 2014 by manus

[Mick Boyle]

I hope London paid the necessary fees, royalty's etc.

 

As they didn't have the rights to produce it and had to stop rather quickly.

 

That makes it the worlds most expensive bootleg

 

Saying that I totally adore the track and always will and think the price tag puts it deservedly at the top of the soul tree

[Zed1]

Don't think it was ever the price that did it for FW, more it's association with the cheesier side, ie baggies, vest tops, tourists and the bizarre idea amongst non- believers that it was some kind of Northern Soul 'anthem' ...... Darrel Banks hasn't got these associations.

[Frankie Crocker]

Yes but Do I Love You - whilst likeable and a good dancer is NOT a very good record - even FW thought it was a second rate.

 

 

Dx

It was a good record when covered up as Eddie Foster. Now it's used as background music by the BBC, on every other CD compilation, film and documentary, it's become overexposed, dull and uninspiring.

[Pete S]

Don't agree that Frank Wilson is not a good record - it is a bloody good record that has suffered from vast overplays and being greatly commercialised by many reissues and boots, etc

 

It's an absolutely fantastic record, when anyone says it's rubbish I ask what on earth do you want from a Northern / Motown dancer that this hasn't got, and imagine hearing it for the very first time, it would blow you away.

[Frankie Crocker]

Our Love Is In The Pocket is the top side for me with of course a decent flip. Over the next few weeks anticipate a rash of wannabe DJ's spinning pink or grey Revilot copies with dancers scrambling onto the stage to see if they have just witnessed THE ONE being spun.. I hope it goes to Mick Smith for services to the British vinyl industry, arise Sir Mick...

[Pete S]

The London issue is just going to be a status symbol for a very rich person.

As Dave n Pete say above, think what else you could buy with that money if you bought a Revilot copy for a fiver.

[Pete S]

Our Love Is In The Pocket is the top side for me with of course a decent flip. Over the next few weeks anticipate a rash of wannabe DJ's spinning pink or grey Revilot copies with dancers scrambling onto the stage to see if they have just witnessed THE ONE being spun.. I hope it goes to Mick Smith for services to the British vinyl industry, arise Sir Mick...

 

He wasn't even interested when it was discovered so I can promise you he won't be bidding..

[Ian Parker]

Fiver or twenty grand.....

  Still a fabulous record, that will never change

[KevH]

Our Love Is In The Pocket is the top side for me with of course a decent flip. Over the next few weeks anticipate a rash of wannabe DJ's spinning pink or grey Revilot copies with dancers scrambling onto the stage to see if they have just witnessed THE ONE being spun.. I hope it goes to Mick Smith for services to the British vinyl industry, arise Sir Mick...

A decent flip. I've heard it all now.

[dthedrug]

 HI ALL... IT amuses me that the argument that UK SOUL is not worth the same as US, we will ditch that after the sale, this is a great record and will always be played unlike so many great tunes that lose out once they go mainstream, and indeed I'm glad I have a RED & WHITE $tateside DEMO, as all the demos Yellow London & the 2 $tatesides R&W G&W will become very elusive, unless they sell for big money, I wonder what the dealers think the demos will sell at after this goes? Pete S what says you, I will not have a bid today, but would like to?  DAVE K 

[Louise]

Rod Shard is using a black felt pen to colour the label in on the yellow London demo in his sales box as we speak

Dave

[Guest johnny hart]

Do not worry dear Ulyssees, this is not about music,this the mad,bad and sad world of collecting.Where;  John Lennons tooth sold for £23.000, Elvis,Bible sold for £59,000 and the scouse moptops lps weekly fetch;£8.000 [yes,all thousands! Contdown is on Mr Eubanks is at £12,027 and the most exciting news the Wigan Casino TEE shirt,[worn only twice by Stella for cofirmation purposes]is at £156 POUNDS!

[Modernsoulsucks]

Thank you for that blatant plug Dave.

 

3 warning points.

 

ROD

[Frankie Crocker]

He wasn't even interested when it was discovered so I can promise you he won't be bidding..

He's probably got a copy anyway, maybe a demo as well as an issue...

[Guest]

Whatever it fetches, as with the Frank Wilson and lots lots more it will be worth every penny. Why should a rare stamp be worth millions and a super-rare 60s 45 only be worth thousands?  :g:"‹ 

[Louise]

Thank you for that blatant plug Dave.

 

3 warning points.

 

ROD

 Thank you oh lenient one, I won't be appealling

Although I must agree with  the thread starter, why spend this much money on a record that is available on so many legitimate releases, yes it is a great find but it's time as a one off maybe short lived due to it's high profile media exposure, after all how many employee's did Decca have during the mid 60's ??

£15000 - £25000, you can buy an awful lot of great records with that if know what your doing

Tin hat on and now retreating down the sewer pipe I climbed out off

Dave

Edited December 22, 2014 by Louise

[Modernsoulsucks]

Whatever it fetches, as with the Frank Wilson and lots lots more it will be worth every penny. Why should a rare stamp be worth millions and a super-rare 60s 45 only be worth thousands?  :g:"‹ 

 

Exactly.

 

Why should a microwave oven not be allowed to stand for parliament ?

[Eamesy]

Both sides are pure classics, but this will be an investment opportunity. Better than leaving your money in a pension or savings account earning 0.5% interest!

[Guest son of stan]

Didn't realise Frank Wilson was an expensive record. Got my copy on a compilation CD from rhe pound shop.

[Modernsoulsucks]

 Thank you oh lenient one, I won't be appealling

Although I must agree with  the thread starter, why spend this much money on a record that is available on so many legitimate releases, yes it is a great find but it's time as a one off maybe short lived due to it's high profile media exposure, after all how many employee's did Decca have during the mid 60's ??

£15000 - £25000 you can buy an awful lot of great records wiyh that if know what your doing

Tin hat on and now retreating down the sewere pipe I climbed out off

Dave

 

Agree completely.

 

I'd make do with my now second-rate London demo, take that money and give it to someone who knew what they were doing.

 

Probably Louise.

 

No offence Dave.

 

ROD

[Labeat]

Exactly.

 

Why should a microwave oven not be allowed to stand for parliament ?

 

Well a monkey stood for Mayor in Hartlepool

[Sweeney]

If things follow as before a superb double header is about to be relegated to the ranks of " overrated" because of its celebrity status bought about by value. I am talking about the London issue of Darell Banks. Please don't let it happen, this is one of the cornerstones of our music, but, be aware it will be under threat.

 

Yule.

 

Arguably the opposite is the case.

 

Like many others I've long regarded this as being one of the very best double-headed Rare Soul records. To find out that there really is a UK London issue was mind-blowing and arguably the biggest thing that's happened on this site and possibly one of the biggest pieces of news on the Rare Soul scene ever.

 

I think it's BECAUSE the record is held in such high regard that the bidding has reached such heights.

[Quinvy]

Yes but Do I Love You - whilst likeable and a good dancer is NOT a very good record - even FW thought it was a second rate.

 

Have to say that whilst the Darrell Banks is an interesting oddity, whoever buys it has more money than sense - I've no doubt they'll be someone extremely wealthy who can easily afford it, but just think about all the other fabulous stuff you could buy with the many £000s they'd save simply by buying a US original.

 

Dx

Exactly! If I was a collector I would want to own the first issue, not a UK reissue. All that money for what is a very common record at the end of the day. Must be a stamp collector.

[barney]

the difference between stamp collectors and record collectors is that stamp collectors don't want to stick their stamps on envelopes and post them .

[Zed1]

the difference between stamp collectors and record collectors is that stamp collectors don't want to stick their stamps on envelopes and post them .

 

The difference between Stamp collectors and Record collectors is that Stamp collectors don't think collecting automatically turns them into a DJ.....

[Modernsoulsucks]

I think you're both pushing the envelope with these philately analogies.

[Tobytyke]

Exactly! If I was a collector I would want to own the first issue, not a UK reissue. All that money for what is a very common record at the end of the day. Must be a stamp collector.

so the first uk issue must be the yellow london demo and the london issue is a second run? so which one of these should we be chasing?

[Quinvy]

so the first uk issue must be the yellow london demo and the london issue is a second run? so which one of these should we be chasing?

Neither just get the US demo for twenty quid. First issue, job done, use the rest to buy some rarities.

[Chalky]

It's an absolutely fantastic record, when anyone says it's rubbish I ask what on earth do you want from a Northern / Motown dancer that this hasn't got, and imagine hearing it for the very first time, it would blow you away.

 

The 1st, 2nd, 5th........20th time maybe, but over thirty years of constant hammer? They say familiarity breeds contempt and this is a classic example. Besides it isn't in the same league as Darrell Banks. 

[Chalky]

Neither just get the US demo for twenty quid. First issue, job done, use the rest to buy some rarities.

Something we do agree on.

[Denbo]

Neither just get the US demo for twenty quid. First issue, job done, use the rest to buy some rarities.

So, you reckon a Darrell Banks on an unreleased UK London issue isn't rare?

[Modernsoulsucks]

I think the USA demo is quite rare in nice condition. Not £20 anyway.

 

Apart from that agree. Just think how many rare modern 45s you could get for £14543.

 

Actually scrub that. Is the auction still on ?

 

ROD

[Andy Rix]

It's an absolutely fantastic record, when anyone says it's rubbish I ask what on earth do you want from a Northern / Motown dancer that this hasn't got, and imagine hearing it for the very first time, it would blow you away.

I agree with Pete

 

Andy

[Tony Smith]

I think the USA demo is quite rare in nice condition. Not £20 anyway.

 

Apart from that agree. Just think how many rare modern 45s you could get for £14543.

 

Actually scrub that. Is the auction still on ?

 

ROD

 

 

Neither just get the US demo for twenty quid. First issue, job done, use the rest to buy some rarities.

Find me a US demo for £20 please Phil!

 

I paid £40 for one about 25 years ago and it's got graffiti from LeBaron and Jack Taylor all over it thanks to uncle Mick Smith! 

Edited December 22, 2014 by Tony Smith

[Modernsoulsucks]

Harder to get  than Rose Battiste demo I think Tony.

 

Just think how many really good modern 45s you could get for £14543 ?

 

Zero.

 

There aren't any.

[Mick Boyle]

Apart from that agree. Just think how many rare modern 45s you could get for £14543.

 

 

 

 

Each to there own

I went to one of these modern soul alnighters recently and to be honest I wished they had play Darrell s  Open The Door on a loop all night long time after time none stop 

But if we were all the same, it would be a boring place 

Just my opinion and tuppence worth 

[Quinvy]

 

Each to there own

I went to one of these modern soul alnighters recently and to be honest I wished they had play Darrell s  Open The Door on a loop all night long time after time none stop 

But if we were all the same, it would be a boring place 

Just my opinion and tuppence worth 

 

Have you never heard of "sarcasm" Mick? Rod is very fond of it.

[Quinvy]

Find me a US demo for £20 please Phil!

 

I paid £40 for one about 25 years ago and it's got been graffiti from LeBaron and Jack Taylor all over it thanks to uncle Mick Smith! 

Sorry Tony I didn't realise it was a toughie. I've never been a collector so I just bought an issue for a tenner.