Promoters Booking Events At Other Promoters Venues. Is This Right?

[Peter99]

The Golden 101, on 09 Dec 2014 - 4:56 PM, said:

And here's the best bit of all.........Chris was still being offered the venue even TODAY!

Why don't you just let it drop?

 

You keep saying that the decent thing has been done tra, la, la, la, la - but then keep picking at it like a scab.

 

I think you've also mistakenly hit the Caps Lock key.

 

[jocko]

Further proof that, despite what people say about too many venues, the cream curdles and goes off and the shit floats to the top.

 

Thank f**k I am into gin spotting these days, much more fun and you meet a nicer breed of social rejects. 

Edited December 9, 2014 by jocko

[Goldsoul]

Why don't you just let it drop?

 

You keep saying that the decent thing has been done tra, la, la, la, la - but then keep picking at it like a scab.

 

I think you've also mistakenly hit the Caps Lock key.

 

Why not indeed....let it drop. Topic starter over to you......

[Guest Bearsy]

If I was Jez I would be having a face to face chat with the owner and be seeking some honest answers.  

 

Maybe the owner wants more than one nighter running for the revenue it makes bit then again maybe not.  

 

Sad though whatever the outcome. 

[Dave Rimmer]

Interesting that there are some venues that run different nights, by different promoters, quite successfully, at the same venue.

[KevH]

Here's me thinking we were all one big happy family.

[pikeys dog]

Further proof that, despite what people say about too many venues, the cream curdles and goes off and the shit floats to the top.

 

Thank f**k I am into gin spotting these days, much more fun and you meet a nicer breed of social rejects. 

 

 

Sounds great, only one problem, I'm not a fan of Gin.

 

Can I sit in the corner and be a social reject with a nice drop of Rum instead?

[hullsoul]

Sounds great, only one problem, I'm not a fan of Gin.

 

Can I sit in the corner and be a social reject with a nice drop of Rum instead?

Can I join in,don't like Gin or Rum but love been a social reject

Cheers

Martyn

[Soulie8]

As I understand he's doing 4 a year at the Floral Hall Tunstall. As for date clashing I cannot see how he is clashing with anyone. He's doing an authentic Torch theme and as the former owner, he has every right to. And judging by his first one which sold out a few weeks ago and isn't on until Jan 24th, I would say fans have bought into the promotion.

Good Luck to him on his ventures and I do hope sincerely they are a success for the benefit of the scene.But can you then explain to me as to why he has he organised a "Torch|" event that clashes presumably unintentionally with The Class of 72 event in October Of all the dates available in 2015 to arrange it,curiously it happens to be exactly same day!! Surely this is detrimental and surely a little common sense should prevail yet again. Or is there some other sinister reason. An honest answer from the promoter would welcomed, then everyone will be happy and we can lay this debate to rest. Edited December 9, 2014 by soulie8

[Goldsoul]

Good Luck to him on his ventures and I do hope sincerely they are a success for the benefit of the scene.But can you then explain to me as to why he has he organised a "Torch|" event that clashes presumably unintentionally with The Class of 72 event in October Of all the dates available in 2015 to arrange it,curiously it happens to be exactly same day!! Surely this is detrimental and surely a little common sense should prevail yet again. Or is there some other sinister reason. An honest answer from the promoter would welcomed, then everyone will be happy and we can lay this debate to rest.[/quote

The Golden Torch brand is Chris Burton. . He is launching the Torch in Tunstall and was given 4 dates. One apparently clashes with Jez Jones' outfit. Although why is that a clash? The Torch is run by CB not JJ.

Edited December 9, 2014 by The Golden 101

[Goldsoul]

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Edited December 9, 2014 by The Golden 101

[Soulie8]

Class of 72 is not Golden Torch brand as you are fully aware, but surely he could have avoided that particular date. Obviously there seems to be no love lost in this episode. So much for the love of Northern Soul!!

[Nige Brown]

off the top of my head Brian Rae, Paul Shirley, Casper, Ted Massey, Nige Brown, Sean Chapman, Little Scotty, Rob Smith.

 

 

Totally WRONG and out of order!

 

Sean Chapman and My Self  have NEVER been ANYTHING to Do with this Box Fiasco

 

We are BOTH DJing at OTHER Venues on the dates quoted  and where NEVER part of the line up   Capiche!!

 

I want to make this VERY CLEAR

 

Thanks for reading this

 

Nige Brown

Edited December 9, 2014 by Nige Brown

[Andyg]

Sorry Nige I thought you had DJ'd at the Box, I must have been mistaken. Silly me

[Mike]

off the top of my head Brian Rae, Paul Shirley, Casper, Ted Massey, Nige Brown, Sean Chapman, Little Scotty, Rob Smith.

 

 

Totally WRONG and out of order!

 

Sean Chapman and My Self  have NEVER been ANYTHING to Do with this Box Fiasco

 

We are BOTH DJing at OTHER Venues on the dates quoted  and where NEVER part of the line up   Capiche!!

 

I want to make this VERY CLEAR

 

Thanks for reading this

 

Nige Brown

 

 

if you read the post again

 

you can see your name was mentioned in reply to a question about the djs who have dj'd at the venue before

 

link to the post below

 

 

cheers

 

mike

Edited December 9, 2014 by mike

[Mellorful]

Why don't you just let it drop?

 

You keep saying that the decent thing has been done tra, la, la, la, la - but then keep picking at it like a scab.

 

I think you've also mistakenly hit the Caps Lock key.

 

Had you considered that given the various comments directed to both Chris and Kev which called into question their integrity, they are deserving of an apology, those public apologies appear slow in coming.

 

I read the thread and summerised my conclusion that the venue manager wants a new face for an event and approached Chris; Chris consulted Kev who advised stay away. Chris has declined the venue owners invitation. The owner has made a further attempt to persuade Chris; Kev kindly gave you a heads up that the venue manager hadn't given up and whilst not stated the potential for others to be approached by the venue manager. 

 

I hope those previously critical of Chris and Kev in this thread will now have the decency to post an apology or privately PM them with the apology. 

[Nige Brown]

Read the post again,,,

 

Apologies   

 

i DID Miss Read it!!

 

Yes  we have DJd there a few times 

 

Il get back in me box 

 

Nige B 

[Peter99]

Had you considered that given the various comments directed to both Chris and Kev which called into question their integrity, they are deserving of an apology, those public apologies appear slow in coming.

 

I read the thread and summerised my conclusion that the venue manager wants a new face for an event and approached Chris; Chris consulted Kev who advised stay away. Chris has declined the venue owners invitation. The owner has made a further attempt to persuade Chris; Kev kindly gave you a heads up that the venue manager hadn't given up and whilst not stated the potential for others to be approached by the venue manager. 

 

I hope those previously critical of Chris and Kev in this thread will now have the decency to post an apology or privately PM them with the apology. 

No and no.

 

[Goldsoul]

No and no.

Lovely comment from a 'moderator'. Leave the scene and quickly!

[Peter99]

Lovely comment from a 'moderator'. Leave the scene and quickly!

It wasn't from a moderator it was from a member - me, my personal view.

 

You gave as good as anything you got in that thread Kev - with the odd little digs. Fair play - but you don't need an apology from me or any one else.

 

I like your pompous "leave the scene and quickly" - nice touch. But you don't have to worry - I never have and never would be part of your scene, it's not really my thing.

 

Anyway, as I said in my previous post - 101 I think, and how ironic is that, just drop it.

 

[Goldsoul]

It wasn't from a moderator it was from a member - me, my personal view.

You gave as good as anything you got in that thread Kev - with the odd little digs. Fair play - but you don't need an apology from me or any one else.

I like your pompous "leave the scene and quickly" - nice touch. But you don't have to worry - I never have and never would be part of your scene, it's not really my thing.

Anyway, as I said in my previous post - 101 I think, and how ironic is that, just drop it.

Then stop commenting on something you know f*** all about. I said 24 hours ago that Chris Burton has no intention of promoting The Box, even though the owner is still trying to get him in. What does that say about the current promoter.

FFS!

[jocko]

Then stop commenting on something you know f*** all about. I said 24 hours ago that Chris Burton has no intention of promoting The Box, even though the owner is still trying to get him in. What does that say about the current promoter.

FFS!

 

How you are allowed to carry on with your behaviour is unbelievable. 

Keep rising to the top. 

[jocko]

Cmon over Joe and Martin, the chair is dry, for the moment, like the GIn. 

 

This says everything just about how "the scene" is fucked. Someone put the lights out as they leave, no doubt they will be old copy SOX lights being sold as originals but branded for profit. 

Sad f**king state for old men to be in. 

[Goldsoul]

How you are allowed to carry on with your behaviour is unbelievable. 

Keep rising to the top.

I didn't think it would be long before you turned up.

Pour yourself another one.

[Winsford Soul]

Simple question. Does Chris Burton hold the copyright to the word torch ?

Steve

[Goldsoul]

Simple question. Does Chris Burton hold the copyright to the word torch ?

Steve

Of course not. No one can copyright the word Torch. However, the Torch logo and emblem relating to his former club

he owns.

[Chris Burton]

Mace......Maybe.

I just feel if anyone should deserve to do a proper job on a Torch Revival its CB. Especially now it's in Tunstall.

Nothing much else to say about it

My personal reply to all the situation with Crewe is posted on the Staffs Cheshire Soul scene page  and that is the truth of the situation

[Guest Marky Tee]

Read the post again,,,

 

Apologies   

 

i DID Miss Read it!!

 

Yes  we have DJd there a few times 

 

Il get back in me box 

 

Nige B 

No problem Nige 

[TOAD]

Carry on...I'm still laughing at the top DJs comment

[Guest Byrney]

Interesting debate

 

So taking the view that Chris Burton is the Torch and therefore the one who should take precedence in promoting Torch revivals over other existing promotions, does that logic then extend to Russ Winstanley as being best placed over others to promote Wigan Casino reunions? 

[Mace]

My personal reply to all the situation with Crewe is posted on the Staffs Cheshire Soul scene page  and that is the truth of the situation

Evening Chris....hope you are well.

 

Welcome to Soul Source.......unfortunately, not everyone on here is on FaceBook.......perhaps you could post a copy of your reply on here for the benefit of those left wondering.

 

Regards

Mace

[Bridgesoceity]

Great reading, you oldies dinosaurs squabbling over who gets to play their re issues at the next big Butlins event is much better than what's on TV any day, keep on keeping on moaning. ;-)

[Winsford Soul]

Of course not. No one can copyright the word Torch. However, the Torch logo and emblem relating to his former club

he owns.

Thanks Kev. Was just curious.

Steve

[Guest Marky Tee]

Then stop commenting on something you know f*** all about. I said 24 hours ago that Chris Burton has no intention of promoting The Box, even though the owner is still trying to get him in. What does that say about the current promoter.

FFS!

Maybe it says more about the money grabbing arsehole who manages the box, and those with similar mindsets.

[Chris Burton]

And here's the best bit of all.........Chris was still being offered the venue even TODAY!

 

Don't really see how that is the best bit at all......quite shameful behaviour of the manager of the venue if so, and moreso of you to gloat about it.

 

Jez, if I was you I'd walk away from the venue and let them get on with it....

 I have been offered the Box twice today and to take on the Sundays as well from January 2015  by the owner and I have refused to be involved in any Northern Soul promotions at his venue

Edited December 9, 2014 by Chris Burton

[Chris L]

Why?? The venue is currently being used by soul promoter for his current soul events. What right does a "new" promoter have,  to even contact the venue at all. Morally this is wrong!!

 

Welcome to the real world................... 

[Chris Burton]

 I have been offered the Box twice today and to take on the Sundays as well from January 2015  by the owner and I have refused to be involved in any Northern Soul promotions at his venue

[Goldsoul]

Is this still going on?

Anybody got any decent records to sell? F*** all on EBay 

[Guest Marky Tee]

 

 

Maybe nobody should.

[Labeat]

So in a nutshell... is it on is it off, is it a sell-out is it not a sell-out?

[Chris Burton]

Welcome to the real world................... 

 

 

Jez Jones knows the truth about how he introduced me to the owner , all I have tried to do is help out to realise the true potential of The Box, well no more help will be offered from me  and I will certainly not be in involved in any further discussions

[Chris Burton]

So in a nutshell... is it on is it off, is it a sell-out is it not a sell-out?

 

As far as I am concerned no further help can be given to The Box, The venue can be more successful, I wish The Box and Jez all the very best in the future please be aware

I have today been offered the venue twice by the owner and I have explained why I can not be involved and why I will not be involved.

[Mace]

Perhaps Jez should come on and put it to bed.......saw you reading the thread earlier Jez so now's your time to shine fella!

[SteveM]

Then stop commenting on something you know f*** all about. I said 24 hours ago that Chris Burton has no intention of promoting The Box, even though the owner is still trying to get him in. What does that say about the current promoter.

FFS!

Commenting purely on what I've read in this thread Kev but he clearly "had" an intention of promoting at the venue and only dropped out after your intervention. That's still the point, whether there's a greedy owner, poor promoter or a chancer promoter. He could have said no.

Enjoy another trip to the Etihad!

[Mace]

Evening Chris....hope you are well.

 

Welcome to Soul Source.......unfortunately, not everyone on here is on FaceBook.......perhaps you could post a copy of your reply on here for the benefit of those left wondering.

 

Regards

Mace

 

Presume the copy and past quote below is the FB post you refer to Chris?

If not please advise and I will remove.

 

"Important announcement !! ::: Re The Box @ Crewe Cheshire ..

I was asked by the owner of The Box to promote 2 All - Nighters next year, Jez Jones was invit...ed to be a partner in the promotions, Jez declined the overall proposals in terms of The Box

Having given due consideration to the owners request I have decided due to the concerns and comments from several people within the Northern Soul scene to withdraw from the planned events on March 14th & November 14th in order to preserve my reputation within the Northern Soul scene.

All the very best to The Box and Jez Jones.

Chris Burton"

[Winsford Soul]

Simple question No 2. How did the owner of the box manage to book all the DJ,s for the nighter next year without a promoter involved. And if he's that good why isn't he running his own venue instead of letting other's do it

Steve

[Chris Burton]

Welcome to the real world................... 

 

Evening Chris....hope you are well.

 

Welcome to Soul Source.......unfortunately, not everyone on here is on FaceBook.......perhaps you could post a copy of your reply on here for the benefit of those left wondering.

 

Regards

Mace

Hi Mace  good to hear from you. Basically Jez introduced me to the owner the Sunday that the owner kicked Winnie out of THE bOX and he asked me if I would take the Sunday sessions at The Box, I told the owner in front of Jez that I could not be involved however Jez and I had several discussions in terms of how we could increase the numbers from the 60 that were attending at that time, I suggest later on that Saturday All nighters might help to raise the profile of the venue, I proposed a deal to Jez and he stated  that he wanted to proceed doing it his way.  Moving on several weeks the owner contacted me to advise me that he had agreed with Jez that Jez quite rightly wanted to continue with his Sundays and that he has reached agreement with Jez that I could assist with 2 all- nighters a year a position that I thought would work because Jez had agreed, I now realise that Jez had not been informed until last Sunday, I commenced advertising on facebook yesterday not knowing what had actually happened, when I was aware of what had happed I immediately withdrew

my advertising, cancelled the flyers and tickets for March 14th and informed the owner that I could not be involved due to the circumstances that had presented them selves

 

The owner had confirmed all the key points I have referred to me in writing and if this  ill informed campaign against me does not stop I will take the legal action to stop it.

 

I have done my very best within the soul scene for over 40 years and my reputation is still very important to me and thanks to the support given to me I hope to continue to do so for a few more years 

 

See you soon Mace

Edited December 9, 2014 by Chris Burton

[Chris Burton]

 

Presume the copy and past quote below is the FB post you refer to Chris?

If not please advise and I will remove.

 

"Important announcement !! ::: Re The Box @ Crewe Cheshire ..

I was asked by the owner of The Box to promote 2 All - Nighters next year, Jez Jones was invit...ed to be a partner in the promotions, Jez declined the overall proposals in terms of The Box

Having given due consideration to the owners request I have decided due to the concerns and comments from several people within the Northern Soul scene to withdraw from the planned events on March 14th & November 14th in order to preserve my reputation within the Northern Soul scene.

All the very best to The Box and Jez Jones.

Chris Burton"

 

This is my facebook posting and a copy was sent to Jez

[Winsford Soul]

Simple question No 2. How did the owner of the box manage to book all the DJ,s for the nighter next year without a promoter involved. And if he's that good why isn't he running his own venue instead of letting other's do it

Steve

Chris in his reply to Mace has answered my question . Thank you

Steve

[Chris Burton]

Commenting purely on what I've read in this thread Kev but he clearly "had" an intention of promoting at the venue and only dropped out after your intervention. That's still the point, whether there's a greedy owner, poor promoter or a chancer promoter. He could have said no.

Enjoy another trip to the Etihad!

Refer to my content posted to Mace a little earlier ........ That's the truth Steve   .. Chris