Paul R Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 (edited) This was the real stand out sound at my first allnighter at the tender age of 15 at Vavas. I've looked in JMs bootleg guide and this is not mentioned as a demo, but seams to check out as an original short run out etc. I've had it for many years. Is it an original?,anyone know the rough value? cheers Paul Edited August 11, 2006 by Paul r Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Don't think the demo was ever booted Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Sure this was only ever booted on the Out Of The Past label. Sound quality was that terrible... used to think he was singing 'Cannabis Tree' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 (edited) This was the real stand out sound at my first allnighter at the tender age of 15 at Vavas. I've looked in JMs bootleg guide and this is not mentioned as a demo, but seams to check out as an original short run out etc. I've had it for many years. Is it an original?,anyone know the rough value? cheers Paul Hi Paul Check the Deadwax on either DEMO or Stock Copy - I have scanned my copies both are Identical in the Deadwax. The deadwax on both DEMO & Issue ONLY about 7mm - On original copies Matrix scratched in "MM-1023-1" ( The matrix is small, about 2mm tall and situated between run off groove and playing area - as soon as it was possible to fit it in - almost touching groove above and below it) Run off groove in the deadwax spirals to centre quite quickly within one turn of disc - 270 degees I hope that this helps Edited August 11, 2006 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 (edited) 'Cannabis Tree' There was denifinetly dodgy red Modern ones of this Edited August 11, 2006 by richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul R Posted August 11, 2006 Author Share Posted August 11, 2006 Mine appears ok apart from a dirtier label. Any indication on the going rate nowadays? Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul R Posted August 11, 2006 Author Share Posted August 11, 2006 Sure this was only ever booted on the Out Of The Past label. Sound quality was that terrible... used to think he was singing 'Cannabis Tree' Actually if I remember correctly, the words were, " there's a million pills in my hand and I wonder,?(clap, clap,) Will I O.D.?" Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 (edited) Mine appears ok apart from a dirtier label. Any indication on the going rate nowadays? Paul Hi Paul Pleased It's OK, don't be concerned over "dirtier label" - It's not an easy record to find. However I couldn't say what the going rate is for it I'm afraid. To me it's priceless - so many memories - a wonderful record - Well done Edited August 11, 2006 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 The issue is tougher in my experience. How come all the demos I've ver had/seen of this have the promo part of the text scrubbed out with marker pens? Has anyone a Demo that hasn't been defaced? Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 The issue is tougher in my experience. How come all the demos I've ver had/seen of this have the promo part of the text scrubbed out with marker pens? Has anyone a Demo that hasn't been defaced? Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com Yes Dave, I had one that was mint and not a blemish on the label either. I think it came from Soul Bowl, £150 if my memory serves. The run out was very small and the matrix numbers were really neatly done. Don't have it now, think it may have gone to John Manship with a box full when I was selling up..... I didn't realise that the issue was rarer, that's why I paid so much for the demo. Great record though, must be a contender for best sax middle eight ever. Best, Phil. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 (edited) Yes the Demo was conterfeited and often had the promo text blacked out to make it look more authentic. Info i've docmented on this title is as follows: COUNTERFEIT of the DJ copy. Is an excellent reproduction of the original but the red is slightly the wrong shade. Deadwax matrix is lightly scratched in a two turn runout and reads MM-1023-1 The deadwax is 9.18mm wide @ the last 1 in the matrix . AUTHENTIC ORIGINAL PRESS Small deeply scratched MM-1023-1 martix is with the first of a THREE turn run out. Dead wax is 7.37mm. Label print definition is much shaper and is a lighter shade of red. Watch out for Counterfeits of Darrell Banks - Angel Baby -atco demo, Sandy Wynns- Touch of Venus, Marsha Gee - Baby I Need You , Detroit Land Apples, Gary Haines, Dalton Boys, Casanova Two and and far too many others to list. All from the same pressing plant, with all having identical vinyl make-up and all the labels identical replicas of the originals. Mel Williams promo was just one of many. Edited August 12, 2006 by john manship Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Johnny Mack Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Hi Paul Pleased It's OK, don't be concerned over "dirtier label" - It's not an easy record to find. However I couldn't say what the going rate is for it I'm afraid. To me it's priceless - so many memories - a wonderful record - Well done Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul R Posted August 12, 2006 Author Share Posted August 12, 2006 Yes the Demo was conterfeited and often had the promo text blacked out to make it look more authentic. Info i've docmented on this title is as follows: COUNTERFEIT of the DJ copy. Is an excellent reproduction of the original but the red is slightly the wrong shade. Deadwax matrix is lightly scratched in a two turn runout and reads MM-1023-1 The deadwax is 9.18mm wide @ the last 1 in the matrix . AUTHENTIC ORIGINAL PRESS Small deeply scratched MM-1023-1 martix is with the first of a THREE turn run out. Dead wax is 7.37mm. Label print definition is much shaper and is a lighter shade of red. Watch out for Counterfeits of Darrell Banks - Angel Baby -atco demo, Sandy Wynns- Touch of Venus, Marsha Gee - Baby I Need You , Detroit Land Apples, Gary Haines, Dalton Boys, Casanova Two and and far too many others to list. All from the same pressing plant, with all having identical vinyl make-up and all the labels identical replicas of the originals. Mel Williams promo was just one of many. Unfortunaltely mine looks like being the counterfit. It hasn't come as much of a surprise. I just wasn't sure. But It still is one of my top memories. Thanks for the info Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 (edited) The issue is tougher in my experience. How come all the demos I've ver had/seen of this have the promo part of the text scrubbed out with marker pens? Has anyone a Demo that hasn't been defaced? Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com Yes Dave, I had one that was mint and not a blemish on the label either. I think it came from Soul Bowl, £150 if my memory serves. The run out was very small and the matrix numbers were really neatly done. Don't have it now, think it may have gone to John Manship with a box full when I was selling up..... I didn't realise that the issue was rarer, that's why I paid so much for the demo. Great record though, must be a contender for best sax middle eight ever. Best, Phil. Hi Dave Hi Phil I just thought I would mention that both mine were from Soul Bowl from the 1970's. I must say I wondered about the Black Marker Pen through the Not For Sale. The other Modern Demo's bought at the time were clean. It looks like the hunt is on for the unmarked copy, I hope it was looked after and not written on. It would be a shame if it has. Edited August 12, 2006 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark B Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Sure this was only ever booted on the Out Of The Past label. Sound quality was that terrible... used to think he was singing 'Cannabis Tree' my brother and i used to think he was singing 'can of green nits' mark Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paultp Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Yes the Demo was conterfeited and often had the promo text blacked out to make it look more authentic. Info i've docmented on this title is as follows: COUNTERFEIT of the DJ copy. Is an excellent reproduction of the original but the red is slightly the wrong shade. Deadwax matrix is lightly scratched in a two turn runout and reads MM-1023-1 The deadwax is 9.18mm wide @ the last 1 in the matrix . AUTHENTIC ORIGINAL PRESS Small deeply scratched MM-1023-1 martix is with the first of a THREE turn run out. Dead wax is 7.37mm. Label print definition is much shaper and is a lighter shade of red. Hi John, Your bootleg guide is a little different to the above in that it says "run out grooves are small and tight 1 or 2 turns to the end" and "look out for the small neat run-out .. to get the original" for an original, whereas you say THREE turns for an original above. I've just checked mine and it looks like the deadwax is about 7.5 mm but it has 2 turns max. Confused and worried now Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paultp Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Hi John, Your bootleg guide is a little different to the above in that it says "run out grooves are small and tight 1 or 2 turns to the end" and "look out for the small neat run-out .. to get the original" for an original, whereas you say THREE turns for an original above. I've just checked mine and it looks like the deadwax is about 7.5 mm but it has 2 turns max. Confused and worried now Actually I've measured again and at the last 1 of the matrix it is less than 7.5 but at the start of the run in it is about 9. Help! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winsford Soul Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 The issue is tougher in my experience. How come all the demos I've ver had/seen of this have the promo part of the text scrubbed out with marker pens? Has anyone a Demo that hasn't been defaced? Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com I managed to get a red issue for £30 at lowton civic about 2 - 2 1/ 2 years back. So the bargins are still there, right place, right time etc. Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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