John Manship Auction Results 3 - 12 - 2014

[JOE TORQUAY]

Flowers For Real

Marvin Gaye’s “What’s Going album broke new territory for Soul music, as all the rules were thrown out the window with lush, lengthy instrumental intros left you begging for the vocal to open. Flowers does the same..

Richard Flowers like so many others must have drawn inspiration from the last century’s finest album - as this single has left me feeling exactly as I did the first time I drop the arm on STML11190. Breathless, left craving for more..

Too much SOUL for one heart to take!!

From the California brain behind N. F. Porter’s “Keep On Keeping On” comes a journey to Heaven and back. Drenched, in fact saturated in undiluted passion and emotion. Dripping with desire, a hunger that very few recordings can transmit, just like the “Hamilton Movement” listening is a mood-changing experience, dancing to it is trance inducing… every note exuding class!

We repeat “..too much SOUL for one heart to take”

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The winning bid was £ 2,235.00

 

Trumains Ripe For The Pickin' C/w Mr. Magic Man

This 45 has always been a big favourite of mine - foolproof rare 70s Soulful dance that has graced the soulful clubs since late 70s. How gratifying that it is also now crossing over the the mainstream Northern Soul gatherings engaging a whole new set of fans.

Just totally seamless 1977 dance-soul from the pen of a man who has provided so much exceptional material to the Rare-Soul scenes - Keni Lewis does it again.

But this 45 is so much more than a just dancefloor flare-up. This is the seldom seen STOCK copy with the highly coveted Sweet Soul side, that does not appear on the more frequent PROMO.

“Mr. Magic Man” again from the pen of Keni Lewis this 45 gives up a falsetto from Heaven cradled by an equally impressive tight-group backing. If Sweet Soul gets better than this I’ve yet to hear it… AWESOME

Both sides..

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The winning bid was £ 266.00

 

Pat Stallworth Questions Part 1 & 2

A sweeter Sister vocal you could not find.. than this sexy D.I.Y. production from the streets of Cleveland, Ohio.

The intentional simplistic arrangement allows Pat’s seductive vocal ignite the senses. Gently building on the back of a precise drum stroke intro, a softly caressed Wah-Wah precedes a warbling flute, then Ms. Stallworth glides in with a vocal, you could fall in love with.

“Crazy About Crossover?”

I certainly am, especially went it is as slick as this street-level creation .. this record instantly got to me…

and then I heard the flipside… OMG

where is this lady now? I need to take her out to dinner…

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The winning bid was £ 411.00

 

Towana & The Total Destruction Wear Your Natural, Baby C/w Help Me Get That Feelin' Back Again

An utterly persuasive slab of California Rare-Soul that achieved fully 3 different label designs, the one before you; Black with silver text being the 1st and by far the rarest.

Topside used to be an overlooked treasure, as the Northern Soul fraternity opted to play the much meatier “Help Me” on which Ty Karim flexes her unique vocal, whilst a gang of harmony guys back up her every line, with a pumping hard saxophone blows, then husband Kent Harris brings in strings and the session is complete! Leaving me now wondering why this undiluted slab of proper-Northern Soul didn’t achieve MONSTER status? Especially as Ty Karim is in sparklin’ form..

Until that is, I listened again to “Wear Your Natural” a true MASTERPIECE ! I proclaim… Ty is an undisputed vocal genius, Kent Harris is a genius producer and that saxophonist is pretty competent also.

So click the soundfile and be prepared to get blown away, by an inspirational mid-pacer again utilizing a tight vocal-group who do a classy call & answer sequence, lush strings fill the air, shrill girls join the party; As Ty Karim moves on up and slips into top gear. Purring, growling throughout an on-your-knees performance which not many Sisters could attempt to rival.

AWESOME truly AWESOME!
 

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The winning bid was £ 310.00

 

Theron & Darrell I Was Made To Love You C/w It's Your Love

Which side to lead with - NS FUNK is so in the-moment. But the mid-paced soul side is so impressive, we’ll leave the attitude driven horn side until last.

“I Was Made To Love You” is totally sodden in beseeching Soul, but the falsetto matched against he gravel-coated vocal is “Peaches & Cream” “Balsamic Vinegar & Olive Oil” “Anchovy & Pizza” the falsetto is set -off so brilliantly by the contrast.

From the streets of Wichita, Kansas this duet is so full, you could be forgiven for thinking it is a group pulling this despairing slab of Soul together. Sensational Crossover Northern with a constant funky riff going on in the background and Theron & Darrell duel for the most impressive vocal-pitch as the trumpeter gets down and into the groove.

Flip it over, for some “Meat & Potatoes” with a wicked guitar pickin’ screamer enriched by uncompromising horns, blaring out the back-up. Aggressive, straight to the point Rare-Soul-FUNK. Dead-right for todays upfront NS Jocks with the previous side ideal for the more Soulful amongst you.

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The winning bid was £ 711.00

 

Jimmy Mack My World Is On Fire C/w Go On

Breathtaking condition and an insanely Rare PROMO too.

Martin Coleman, Mike Valvano & Cholly Bassoline’s magic Motor City mover became an instant Northern Soul monster overnight; epitomizing the very essence of the sound. Encapsulating everything required to make an NS stomper totally perfect.

Zinging strings, ear-piercing girls and Jimmy Mack’s enthusiasm have illuminated dancefloors for decades and long will it continue to do so..

But today though, for me at least, it is the flipside that needs blasting out at every Soul event worldwide. In the same vein of the all-time great Detroit mid-tempo’s Buddy Smith, James Lately, George Lemons, J. J. Barnes - Sweet Sherry etc… Jimmy Mack’s “GO ON” sits right up there along side the most soulful ever committed to vinyl.

Take a listen, you’ll be totally moving every time..

PS condition is just blindingly flawless in every minuscule way - one brief sleeve brush away from PERFECT!

THIS IS PURE NORTHERN SOUL - twice over

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The winning bid was £ 889.00

 

Invitations Watch Out Little Girl C/w You're Like A Mystery

Irresistible for more reasons than one..

Currently cramming floors up and down Britain with it’s infectious blend of magical vocal-group harmony Northern Soul woven into a New York Latino influenced arrangement.

A MONSTER !

This copy is in utterly flawless condition, with two unblemished labels, mirror like vinyl surface. You may never see a finer copy..

or see a fuller dancefloor..

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The winning bid was £ 431.00

 

William Cummings Make My Love A Hurting Thing

Now here’s a TUNE.. real-deal Northern Soul that has remained seriously rare for an age.

How many Northern Soul Real-Deal stompers deliver more than this Blitzing Beauty? …. Not many I tell you, not many.. listen to David Fitzgerald’s trumpet driven stomper bristling with class, as he times the horns precisely to punctuate Mr. Cummings pleading vocal whilst insane drumming rattles the tune from one peak to another.

Honking Horns, Driving Drums and a truly Vivacious Vocal… it doesn’t get much better than this, does it.

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The winning bid was £ 2,016.00

 

Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell Ain't No Mountain High Enough

A Northern Soul anthem and certainly one the guaranteed TMG dancefloor-detonator in it’s most-wanted least-seen format.

A 1967 DEMO copy in it’s full glorious Green & White attire..

Condition could hardly be finer - and for the UK Tamla Motown collector it will another number to tick off, because upgrade in the future will ever be required.

A beauty and flawless.

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The winning bid was £ 174.00

 

John Lee Hooker I'm In The Mood C/w Boogie Chillun

A Blues great with a stunnng piece of R&B.

That is so very clean and untouched, this 1965 UK press, the paper chard remains from the die-cut 3 prong dinking can still be seen hanging, even after 50 years. As you would expect, the vinyl is flawless.

Rare and in the type of the condition, that the fastidious collector has been seeking to the point of frustration. there is the merest blemish to the left of the WI-361 release number on the a-side. Otherwise this listing in impeccable.

SUE collectors, when will you encounter a finer example..?

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The winning bid was £ 77.00

 

The Jades I'm Where It's At C/w Mother's Only Daughter

Forget Cleethorpes Pier - well if you didn’t attend you maybe can, if you did you certainly will never forget that experience.

But for me and many other old-timers THE JADES is 100% WIGAN CASINO so impressive was this find - on it’s first play by Richard Searling it was the most talked about tune of the night and so impressive was this mighty-stomper. Simon Soussan was not far behind the striking black & silver REE label press which which flooded the UK quite soon after its Casino debut.

The REE label repro was so well put together that many thought it to be the original label at the time, well it wasn’t but before you today is that highly elusive original PROMO press. (I’ve personally never seen a STOCK copy)

This NS Trophy comes to us in unbelievable condition, NEVER had any DJ turntable action ever. Still in it’s birth sleeve, with only the lightest of a surface blemish preventing a coveted MINT grade..

In 2014 we doubt a finer copy exists…

PS the flipside is an overlooked Jewel of Harmony Heaven!

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The winning bid was £ 793.00

 

Chants Baby I Don't Need Your Love

Not many people who have won CRUFTS Dog Show can claim fame as writing and recording one of Northern Soul’s most-wanted British Recordings!

Silky Smooth Chris Amoo Northern Soul groove, with an army of underground admirers. We say underground because in the many decades of it’s discovery there has never been enough copies to go round, for DJ’s it give it the lift-off, unlike some of the other exclusively British beauties unearthed over the years.

Go and immerse yourself in what is of the very best British production from the very talented Tony Hiller (check out his work on Deram).

Passionate drumming, soaring trumpets pick up the pace as the lead vocal glides above it all. Hiller puts strong vocal group choruses in place and this production is up and running, burgeoning on every note - then it hits the roof!

JUST BRILLIANT!!!

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The winning bid was £ 131.00

 

Tom Green Endless Confusion

Apparently collectors who know, consider this 1974 UK press one of the rarest ACTION 45s; I tend to agree with that statement, but British rarity is not it’s main attribute to consider…

Firstly, it is a truly exceptional early 70s Soulful Dancer, that has graced the Top Jock turntables of the thinking man’s Soul venues. Soul Essence, Just Soul, The Orwell to name but a few..

Secondly and much more importantly this USA production for the more discerning DJ, was a 1973 USA release on EVOLUTION. As a Promo it does not carry the good side. The stock copy I personally have never seen, nor indeed know anyone who has.

The search for a USA Stock copy has remained fruitless quest now for literally decades. That is what makes this UK release so precious, it could be the only way to own this stunning tune..

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The winning bid was £ 87.00

 

Irene And The Scotts I'm Stuck On My Baby C/w Why Do You Treat Me Like You Do

Let the debate begin, now that this demonstrative double-sider is on the NS comeback trail.

Irene Scott and the Scott Brothers drop two NS Bombs with these killer 1967 Detroit produced Northern Soul dancers. A wowing Chicago/Detroit collaboration that just works so well. From the same session as The Scott Brothers - Smash 2137 - Irene delivers potent Sister Soul under the guidance of Detroit shakers and makers of the time.

Both sides written by “Rare Earth” founders Ray Monnette, Michael Campbell (aka Micheal & Raymond) & Bob Babbit. Arranged by the “joined at the hip” Mike Theodore & Dennis Coffey Produced by Funk Brothers bass guitarist Bob Babbitt, aided by Motor City entrepreneur & drummer Norman Sands.

With that team you’d expect something special and that is exactly what you get!

Thumping Sister-Northern Soul with few rivals!!

This Promo copy, is as you’ve come to expect - is utterly flawless!

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The winning bid was £ 166.00

 

Kim Weston Rock Me A Little While + 3

Without question one of UK Tamla Motown collectors Grails.

Ridiculously elusive 1965 EP featuring Kim’s two greatest Motown offerings to Northern Soul as the first track on each side.

1. I’m Still Loving You
2. Don’t Compare Me With Her
3. Take Me In your Arms (Rock Me A Little While)
4. Just Loving you

Kim in 1965 was certainly one of Motown’s lesser appreciated by the British public femme artists with all her early releases selling in very meager quantities.

Before you today is here hardest to acquire UK 7” release - with her “Ready Steady Go” performance single “A Little More Love” running in as a close second.

This lady was soon to become the “darling” of the All Nite Club Soul scene, but by the time that happened this EP was long deleted. Do not pass by, this disc comes to market only on rare occasions.

This 50 year old is in fine clean condition throughout and as you can hear plays beautifully, front cover has light creasing (see scan), back cover has light age browning to the top seam. and a very faint almost invisible J B just below the TME release number.

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The winning bid was £ 206.00

[Guest SteveJohnston]

Flowers for real!..........no other seller could get near that price, you gotta tip your hat to John, I would be dancing in the street if I was the seller. 

[Dave Pinch]

Flowers price is unbelievable...pure desperation on the part of the buyer

[bri pinch]

Cant believe it sold for more than Williams Cummings... gotta be worth around half that toon realistically....

[Guest]

Flowers "For Real" £2235.  Why?  Sounds like a very nice 70's soul album track.

 

Sort of making out music when you had the girlfriend round to stay!

[Guest Fatjams99]

Funny thing is I won/bought my copy from John Manship - back in the 90's / early 2K - it was still a pretty penny back then. At least I now know if I choose to sell the price guide.

Edited December 3, 2014 by Fatjams99

[Guest SteveJohnston]

Not sure if desperation came into it Dave if you have the funds and want a record that don't come up very oftern in M to M- I suppose you just go for it. 

[Frankie Crocker]

Further evidence of the fickleness of selling in-demand, rare records in great condition. Jades went for a four figure sum a few months back but has now tumbled  20%. William Cummings has jumped crazily, virtually doubling in price. Irene and the Scotts selling for less than hyped-up for but more than its normal valuation. Clearly someone is hoovering up the best specimens burning cash in the process, but heck, that's what it's for... Cancel Christmas and treat yourself to the best present you've ever had...

[Dave Pinch]

Not sure if desperation came into it Dave if you have the funds and want a record that don't come up very oftern in M to M- I suppose you just go for it.

Indeed with Xmas coming up someone has treated themselves... if it were me Ida gone for the William Cummings tho.. one I've always wanted to own..

[Mark R]

Flowers "For Real" £2235. Why? Sounds like a very nice 70's soul album track.

Sort of making out music when you had the girlfriend round to stay!

I think the price is astounding too, but are thumping dancers the only records that qualify to be worth big money? I don't understand that logic at all, and actually think it's a sad reflection on just why people like/want a tune........

On a serious note this just puts these records out of the reach of us mortals......a real shame....

Cheers,

Mark R

[Soulcarp]

Yes bri agree I knock back a copy a few years ago for 1k,will talk to you soon,johno

[pikeys dog]

Tom Green seemed a bit on the cheap side - thought Manship would get three figures for it to be fair....

[Peter Richer]

Tom Green seemed a bit on the cheap side - thought Manship would get three figures for it to be fair....

 

And JM actually has another copy - with no centre - on his site for £150, set sale:

 

https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/53345/GREEN,_TOM

[Jordirip]

I think the price is astounding too, but are thumping dancers the only records that qualify to be worth big money? I don't understand that logic at all, and actually think it's a sad reflection on just why people like/want a tune........

On a serious note this just puts these records out of the reach of us mortals......a real shame....

Cheers,

Mark R

 

I still prefer this for a tenner.

 

[Chris Turnbull]

I still prefer this for a tenner.

 

Nice version - like the vibes near the end, but not a patch on Flowers IMO

 

File Flowere alongside Bobby Reed 'Time is right for love', or Richard Caiton 'Near you' - tunes that demand attention  

[Guest Fatjams99]

I think the price is astounding too, but are thumping dancers the only records that qualify to be worth big money? I don't understand that logic at all, and actually think it's a sad reflection on just why people like/want a tune........

On a serious note this just puts these records out of the reach of us mortals......a real shame....

Cheers,

Mark R

Mark,

 

Your last statement is spot-on, however in this case is slightly different because it's not based on set price, subsequently, it comes down to how deep is your pocket - standard economics supply vs demand.....

 

Sean P

Edited December 4, 2014 by Fatjams99

[Guest Johnny One Trout]

I still prefer this for a tenner.

 

 

Nice one Jordi, it shames me to admit that i have never heard that version before     Lovely but if i'm honest i still prefer the Flowers version both the 7" proper and the Resolution Records 12' mix from the darker than blue album

 

Trouty

[Jim Elliott]

Indeed with Xmas coming up someone has treated themselves... if it were me Ida gone for the William Cummings tho.. one I've always wanted to own..

Me too. Absolutely fantastic record.

[Mark R]

Mark,

Your last statement is spot-on, however in this case is slightly different because it's not based on set price, subsequently, it comes down to how deep is your pocket - standard economics supply vs demand.....

Sean P

I realise that mate......it's a free world and folk can bid what they like. Just spoils it for the rest of us. ......

Cheers,

Mark R

[Mal C]

I think the price is astounding too, but are thumping dancers the only records that qualify to be worth big money? I don't understand that logic at all, and actually think it's a sad reflection on just why people like/want a tune........

On a serious note this just puts these records out of the reach of us mortals......a real shame....

Cheers,

Mark R

Mentioned this before, but I have got to find an old 'John Doe' List, was it Dave Whithers? from 91/2/ maybe 3, where he listed this for the princely sum of £2...Im gonna stick with my Grapevine issue till I find one ALLOT cheaper than John Manship's price.. its the only way to keep the dream alive..

 

does anybody remember the Keb Darge LP, that white one where he had sides 1 and 2.. somebody should mix the lot together and do a 12" release..

 

Mal

Edited December 4, 2014 by Mal C

[Benji]

does anybody remember the Keb Darge LP, that white one where he had sides 1 and 2.. somebody should mix the lot together and do a 12" release..

 

Mal

 

Mr Trout already posted about the Darker than Blue album. It had part 1&2 merged into what they called the 12" mix.

Edited December 4, 2014 by Benji

[Mal C]

Mr Trout already posted about the Darker than Blue album. It had part 1&2 merged into what they called the 12" mix.

so he did... are these expensive, do they turn up?

 

Mal

[Souljazera]

must be at least 50 copies of Flowers ..remember the box arriving at Voices !

[Pete S]

must be at least 50 copies of Flowers ..remember the box arriving at Voices !

 

Mr. Anderson told me he had 100 copies also

[Orotava]

I`m after a copy of Irene & The Scotts - but for a lot further south than Mr Manship`s auction!!

[Quinvy]

I`m after a copy of Irene & The Scotts - but for a lot further south than Mr Manship`s auction!!

I always thought it was a £20 record? Personally never liked it.

[Pete S]

£50 - £75 nowadays

[Corbett80]

Theron & Darryl was about right. Great record but does nothing for the dancefloor.

[pow wow mik]

£50 - £75 nowadays

 

Irene & Scotts? thought this thread was from months ago...come on, keep up...just had a big thread about this record, it's £100+ all day. Sell it for £60 and it'll just sell to someone who'll sell it for £100. It's only just starting it's rise really isn't it, now people aren't so scared of playing common records.

Probably settle around £150 like similarly common-but-great records.

[Pete S]

Irene & Scotts? thought this thread was from months ago...come on, keep up...just had a big thread about this record, it's £100+ all day. Sell it for £60 and it'll just sell to someone who'll sell it for £100. It's only just starting it's rise really isn't it, now people aren't so scared of playing common records.

Probably settle around £150 like similarly common-but-great records.

 

Mik - I sell it for that price, anyone else can sell it for whatever they like.   I couldn't ask £100 for that, it's not a rare record.  

[pow wow mik]

I respect you for, amongst other things, not being greedy with your prices, but you do accept the fact that prices of records rise with demand don't you? How it went from £20 to £60, it's since gone from £60 to £100.

No idea why it's suddenly caught on after being known for years - just the quirky way of the record world, can't still be unsettled by it after all these years!

 

We all moan about it, but ultimately it's a good thing : action and dynamics in the market, records going big, new records on the rise, show that at least there's some life & enthusiasm in the scene. Do you want it to be like the antiques market, where things have stable values for decades due to being decidedly uninteresting. Or the oldies scene, the musical equivalent.

 

Apart from that, there's loads of real shite northern that's £150, just because it's always been £150. Even at £100, this seems great value by comparison. Funny how people seem more offended by £100 spent on common quality than on rare shite.

Edited December 5, 2014 by pow wow mik

[Ncfc]

Mr. Anderson told me he had 100 copies also

John had loads some had a bump in the vinyl.Sold mine to Mr. Fenn for £30 mind you that was over 20 years ago.

[Quinvy]

I respect you for, amongst other things, not being greedy with your prices, but you do accept the fact that prices of records rise with demand don't you? How it went from £20 to £60, it's since gone from £60 to £100.

No idea why it's suddenly caught on after being known for years - just the quirky way of the record world, can't still be unsettled by it after all these years!

 

We all moan about it, but ultimately it's a good thing : action and dynamics in the market, records going big, new records on the rise, show that at least there's some life & enthusiasm in the scene. Do you want it to be like the antiques market, where things have stable values for decades due to being decidedly uninteresting. Or the oldies scene, the musical equivalent.

 

Apart from that, there's loads of real shite northern that's £150, just because it's always been £150. Even at £100, this seems great value by comparison. Funny how people seem more offended by £100 spent on common quality than on rare shite.

It's all about opinions though Mik. To me it's a nothing record. I'm not going to change my mind just because somebody is playing it. If it was good it would have been played long ago surely? 

To me it just shows how desperate people are to find something different to play.

[TOAD]

£8 45 in bulk late 8ts...Irene was played but obviously not many people attending venues then ;)

[pow wow mik]

It's all about opinions though Mik. To me it's a nothing record. I'm not going to change my mind just because somebody is playing it. If it was good it would have been played long ago surely? 

To me it just shows how desperate people are to find something different to play.

I think it's a great track, are you saying I only like it because it's trendy, I liked it 15 years ago. Not saying you should like it of course, but clearly people do, so it's irrelevent anyway, what you or I think of it.

And I dont think the 'if it was any good it would have been played before' theory holds much weight. That's to say that the scene has a constant taste over the decades, and is always efficient at playing the best tracks. It doesn't and it isn't. That rationale would dictate that every single track played on the scene previous to Irene & the scotts getting played is better than it. It also doesn't account for the scene's snobbery over common records. Luckily something younger generations of djs are less afflicted with.

it's not a trad northern sound at all, more a funk / r&b track in style, probably why I like it, and you'll find that the newer generations of soul lovers are more inclined to this sort of sound, people less stuck in 'northern soul' parameters. Don't you want things moving on, tastes evolving, new generations deciding on their own favourites?

Not sure who these new generations are, like, but hopefully they're out there, doing that! :-)

[Wiggyflat]

Irene and the Scotts was a regular mod scene play from 85 or 86.It was an affordable ten pound sound. I have a mate who stopped buying records in 87 and this is tucked in there along with a UK Love and Desire demo,Gypsy Woman, Keep an Eye On Love plus loads of others.It's one of them records that is pleasant but just doesn't really take off.What was the northern record on Smash....My Way Of Saying.Too fast i think for the youngsters.I recently sourced an Irene for 70 quid for a german mod lad.It is more of a mod record.

Edited December 6, 2014 by wiggyflat

[Guest]

For real is about right - - -kin unreal same W.Cummings Jades ok Mr Manship TOP MARKS again

[Quinvy]

Irene and the Scotts was a regular mod scene play from 85 or 86.It was an affordable ten pound sound. I have a mate who stopped buying records in 87 and this is tucked in there along with a UK Love and Desire demo,Gypsy Woman, Keep an Eye On Love plus loads of others.It's one of them records that is pleasant but just doesn't really take off.What was the northern record on Smash....My Way Of Saying.Too fast i think for the youngsters.I recently sourced an Irene for 70 quid for a german mod lad.It is more of a mod record.

Probably why I never liked it then. Stop shouting woman. 

[Chalky]

Irene and the Scotts has been played long before recent times.  I was playing it late 80's early 90's and plenty of others have over the years.  It is no more popular now with collectors than say 15/20 years ago, it is probably the johnny come lately dj's who are now cottoning onto it and pushing the price up.  There are copies out there to satisfy demand, we've seen no end for sale in recent times, every week practically. That is probably the reason for the dismay in the price hike?

[pow wow mik]

Getting plays is different to going big though isn't it? Look at the tracks that got played once or twice but didn't fill floors til years later - seems to annoy people for some reason, but it's these trends and dynamics that keep the scene alive - buzz tracks, rare or not - new discoveries alone aren't enough to sustain it.

Sure, some of it is bandwagon jumpers - grabbing proven biggies only, at any cost and with little imagination, but it's a bit harsh to call someone a johnny come lately who might just be young, or not long into it....how can they hear it earlier!? Hard for someone in their 20s to have heard this in the 80s!

Having said that, I see your point that these people all seem to want to be djs, which is a bit sad. Always hoped that these tracks would one day get their deserved recognition, but shame that it's mostly with wannabe djs.

Still, got to defend this track, it's a track that's always fitted in musically with our club, and it's good to see tracks going big independent of the northern soul scene. It'll settle at around £75 I think, as Pete said to be fair!

[Chalky]

What constitutes going big? going from a 20/30 record to 150 quid?  It has had constant plays on the scene for nigh on 30 years, been a very popular track for DJ's from my experience over these years.  All of a sudden someone pays what many reckon is a daft amount and it's rarely been played prior to this?  

 

I don't know the demagraphics of those buying it but I doubt very much the majority are 20 somethings 

 

Don't get me wrong it is great to see records like this getting attention but common sense seems to go out of the window as usual with this scene.

[Reg Scott]

Irene and the Scotts was a regular mod scene play from 85 or 86.It was an affordable ten pound sound. I have a mate who stopped buying records in 87 and this is tucked in there along with a UK Love and Desire demo,Gypsy Woman, Keep an Eye On Love plus loads of others.It's one of them records that is pleasant but just doesn't really take off.What was the northern record on Smash....My Way Of Saying.Too fast i think for the youngsters.I recently sourced an Irene for 70 quid for a german mod lad.It is more of a mod record.

 

If being a 'mod record' precluded a 45 crossing over to the 'northern scene' then many tunes being played at the moment or past would not get turntable time..

Edited December 7, 2014 by ClearVinyl

[pow wow mik]

What constitutes going big? going from a 20/30 record to 150 quid?  It has had constant plays on the scene for nigh on 30 years, been a very popular track for DJ's from my experience over these years.  All of a sudden someone pays what many reckon is a daft amount and it's rarely been played prior to this?  

 

I don't know the demagraphics of those buying it but I doubt very much the majority are 20 somethings 

 

Don't get me wrong it is great to see records like this getting attention but common sense seems to go out of the window as usual with this scene.

Yeah fair point, I actually dont know what constitutes 'going big' these days, or who it goes big with. I agree, anyone serious would have records like this before now, or, like Phil, would have long since disregarded them. I'd like to think that it's enthusiastic younger folk, but like you, I suspect that it isn't. Cos if it is, where are they and what are there clubs?

I dont know much about northern, but I see tracks I played years ago go for these crazy prices and wonder who is buying them. They're is evidently a demand spike for certain records, which is what I meant by 'going big', but god knows who with.

ten + years ago, it was me doing this to an extent, buying tracks well known on the northern scene - otis lee, jokers, little nicky soul etc but very much later, at high prices, to play with different stuff to a different audience....but people could see who I was, and what i was doing with the records. These in demand tracks, I dont know where that demand is coming from. A legion of djs with more or less the same collection probably, all with their own night!

[Ted Massey]

I'm sure Mick H played Irene at the Kings last night 200 quid now lol

[Labeat]

Oh my God, i thought every DJ & collector in the world had a copy of Irene & Scotts as well as on a TDK & CD

[Wiggyflat]

Yeah fair point, I actually dont know what constitutes 'going big' these days, or who it goes big with. I agree, anyone serious would have records like this before now, or, like Phil, would have long since disregarded them. I'd like to think that it's enthusiastic younger folk, but like you, I suspect that it isn't. Cos if it is, where are they and what are there clubs?

I dont know much about northern, but I see tracks I played years ago go for these crazy prices and wonder who is buying them. They're is evidently a demand spike for certain records, which is what I meant by 'going big', but god knows who with.

ten + years ago, it was me doing this to an extent, buying tracks well known on the northern scene - otis lee, jokers, little nicky soul etc but very much later, at high prices, to play with different stuff to a different audience....but people could see who I was, and what i was doing with the records. These in demand tracks, I dont know where that demand is coming from. A legion of djs with more or less the same collection probably, all with their own night!

I think it is young Europeans buying them.With backgrounds in the funk or mod scenes and with disposable income and in to hotboxing in a big way.How could a 25 year old have a Just A Boys Dream without bundles of cash.I'm lucky to have had several years of buying so i sell a few to buy one etc.I think there is a network of young uk deejays into x over and rare soul who are in touch with the Germans and the Italians/Spanish.They are not really interested in the history of northern or oldies so wouldn't know that Irene and The Scotts has been around for years,They want it for the box and they want it now and if it takes 150 quid so what.That Towana was around in quantity as well as i had a few from a Richard Domar box along with about five Ernie Marbrays on Wee.They were not good enough at the time to make the grade.Times change/different sort of collectors appear and everyone wants to deejay.Supply and demand.Can someone push Baby I love you by Howard Tate as i have 70 copies.

 

Clearvinyl can you tell me what tracks have crossed over from The Mod scene 80's onwards....it used to be always one way traffic the other way.I know Shaun Chapman is pushing old mod stuff,Berts Apple Crumble,Shmon, etc.  

Edited December 7, 2014 by wiggyflat

[Chalky]

Getting plays is different to going big though isn't it? Look at the tracks that got played once or twice but didn't fill floors til years later - seems to annoy people for some reason, but it's these trends and dynamics that keep the scene alive - buzz tracks, rare or not - new discoveries alone aren't enough to sustain it.

Sure, some of it is bandwagon jumpers - grabbing proven biggies only, at any cost and with little imagination, but it's a bit harsh to call someone a johnny come lately who might just be young, or not long into it....how can they hear it earlier!? Hard for someone in their 20s to have heard this in the 80s!

Having said that, I see your point that these people all seem to want to be djs, which is a bit sad. Always hoped that these tracks would one day get their deserved recognition, but shame that it's mostly with wannabe djs.

Still, got to defend this track, it's a track that's always fitted in musically with our club, and it's good to see tracks going big independent of the northern soul scene. It'll settle at around £75 I think, as Pete said to be fair!

 

btw by Johnny Come Lately I don't mean youngsters or 20 somethings