Forgotten Monsters From Wigan Etc Days

[Zed1]

18 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Ed .

It was also a floor filler at the Casino.

Who played what , where, when is the six million dollar question mate

Ste

 

Always puzzled me slightly Ste this obsession some on here have with which venue played which track first and at what time. You'd almost think that certain venues had some kind of Chin Strokers exclusive rights to a track and any other venue daring to play it should be Torched (no pun intended) and Burnt to the Ground (another not intended pun).

 

I loved, and danced to countless tracks at Station Rd which I hadn't got the first idea were played several years earlier by Dave Doubledecks at some venue I'd never heard of in some part of the country I never knew existed, and TBH I couldn't give a fook either way if I did.. ALL venues no matter how far back you go were only the Vehicles of the music NOT the inventors.

 

Anyway, if we're really going to be pedant then NO venue will have exclusive rights to a track as it will have doubtless  have been played in someones front room first!.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2018 by Zed1

[Winsford Soul]

2 minutes ago, Zed1 said:

 

Always puzzled me slightly Ste this obsession some on here have with which venue played which track first and at what time. You'd almost think that certain venues had some kind of Chin Strokers exclusive rights to a track and an other venue daring to play it should be Torched (no pun intended) and Burnt to the Ground (another not intended pun).

 

I loved, and danced to countless tracks at Station Rd which I hadn't got the first idea were played several years earlier by Dave Doubledecks at some venue I'd never heard of in some part of the counntry i never knew existed, and TBH I couldn't give a fook either way if I did.. ALL venues no matter how far back you go were only the Vehicles of the music NOT the inventors.

 

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Gaz. When we where 16 mate and first went to the Casino and now at 59 when I last went out last week. I like yourself don't give a toss who , what, where when . If its good in my opinion, I will sometimes dance to it, buy it if its available at the right price to me. If not I wont bother. But I wont lose any sleep over its origins

Ste

[Rich B]

1 hour ago, tomangoes said:

So Rain - out of my mind was credited to Soul Sam at the St Ives venue?

 

Maybe somebody should chronicle when where and by whom!

 

Just remember it being a floor filler at the Cleethorpes Winter Gardens all nighters.

 

Once folks like John Anderson were importing a box or two of a certain tune, skimming off half a dozen to 'associated dj's'  it's hard to credit that record to anywhere but Kings Lynn!

 

Ed

 

Rain was first played at the Pier by Poke. It was covered as Joan Moody "I'm coming home". The actual copy he played was an incorrectly pressed copy of Vickie Anderson "Too tough for Mr Big Stuff" on Brownstone. 

Poke worked for John at Soul Bowl at the time so of course, it too, came from Kings Lynn. 

 

p.s. Knowing Poke he wouldn't give a monkeys about the credit, he would have just enjoyed the buzz of introducing people to a tune that became so popular.

Edited September 1, 2018 by Rich B

[Chalky]

51 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Gaz. When we where 16 mate and first went to the Casino and now at 59 when I last went out last week. I like yourself don't give a toss who , what, where when . If its good in my opinion, I will sometimes dance to it, buy it if its available at the right price to me. If not I wont bother. But I wont lose any sleep over its origins

Ste

 

I have a great interest in the history surrounding the scene and love to know who what where when etc and I always give credit where credit is due.  I've seen too may Johnny come lately's trying to take credit for something they don't rightly deserve, not so much on here but other social media.

[Chalky]

29 minutes ago, Rich B said:

 

Rain was first played at the Pier by Poke. It was covered as Joan Moody "I'm coming home". The actual copy he played was an incorrectly pressed copy of Vickie Anderson "Too tough for Mr Big Stuff" on Brownstone. 

Poke worked for John at Soul Bowl at the time so of course, it too, came from Kings Lynn. 

 

p.s. Knowing Poke he wouldn't give a monkeys about the credit, he would have just enjoyed the buzz of introducing people to a tune that became so popular.

 

Richard had at the same time or very soon after so it is said.

[Winsford Soul]

9 minutes ago, chalky said:

 

I have a great interest in the history surrounding the scene and love to know who what where when etc and I always give credit where credit is due.  I've seen too may Johnny come lately's trying to take credit for something they don't rightly deserve, not so much on here but other social media.

I have a great deal of respect for you chalky mate  and others like you for the time and effort that you take researching the history and I'm not knocking you or anyone else who does.

I only research the side of it that really interests me or that I was involved with as a punter, promoter , DJ or record collector and if I would like to know more I have no airs or graces to ask the more knowledgeable people than me like yourself.  

Steve / Ste. / I'm Spartacus.  Oops wrong thread again 

[Mach]

Another station road memory for me..but probably played elsewhere too

 

Edited September 1, 2018 by Mach

[Tomangoes]

Not sure if this is totally true, but I once heard that Billy Arnell spent all his money making this.

 

 

And it did not sell well....

 

 

But it was / is a highly collectable disc on our scene.

 

It got pressed up and for sure I got me a copy back in the day....

 

I'm assuming the folks who pressed it up made a few bob, and the djs who played it out were rewarded in one way or another.

 

But what about Billy? He may not have needed a return, but it seems to me that plenty of others got a return.

 

TSWONS

 

Ed

[Steve S 60]

23 minutes ago, tomangoes said:

Not sure if this is totally true, but I once heard that Billy Arnell spent all his money making this.

 

 

And it did not sell well....

 

 

But it was / is a highly collectable disc on our scene.

 

It got pressed up and for sure I got me a copy back in the day....

 

I'm assuming the folks who pressed it up made a few bob, and the djs who played it out were rewarded in one way or another.

 

But what about Billy? He may not have needed a return, but it seems to me that plenty of others got a return.

 

TSWONS

 

Ed

Billy was only 17 and at high school when this was released so I doubt he had much money to spend.

[Chalky]

57 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

I have a great deal of respect for you chalky mate  and others like you for the time and effort that you take researching the history and I'm not knocking you or anyone else who does.

I only research the side of it that really interests me or that I was involved with as a punter, promoter , DJ or record collector and if I would like to know more I have no airs or graces to ask the more knowledgeable people than me like yourself.  

Steve / Ste. / I'm Spartacus.  Oops wrong thread again 

 

Not sure about more knowledgeable mate, everyone has knowledge others don't...just a question of sharing it to get the full picture.

 

[Tomangoes]

10 minutes ago, Steve S 60 said:

Billy was only 17 and at high school when this was released so I doubt he had much money to spend.

We can all quote...

 

There are always interesting back stories to these 45s ….. Billy Smith changed his surname to Arnell for the 45 release as he thought it sounded more showbiz ! … he was actually only 14 at the time but as the band were gigging in bars he had to pretend he was much older

 

Picture on right of an older billy.

 

As per my original point. He made FA out of it, but others did, and somebody and some venue claim the glory of discovering it and / playing it.

 

Just saying.......

 

Ed

[Rich B]

1 hour ago, chalky said:

 

Richard had at the same time or very soon after so it is said.

 

Everybody had it shortly afterwards Chalky. Poke had it first because he worked there and had hours to play through 'all the crap' as he once said to me! It was his job, once the potential was recognised John monetised it. I would imagine it was true of many things in the earlier days at Kings Lynn.

 

For instance the Colt 45's came from Poke's 'too crap to play' box, but he left it with me one weekend and Gary R. heard it on a tape in my car. Once he had bought it from Poke and started playing it, everyone wanted one. Who gets the credit for that? Poke for owning it or Gary for being the first to have faith and play it out?

[Colouredman]

Here’s a cracker! Probably never played since it’s heyday at the Casino. Sounds poor now but very atmospheric at Wigan and big.

 

Kieth  Daylight Saving Time

 

and a couple more:

 

Billy Watkins  Ice Man

Lord Thunder  Thunder

Sammy Sevens Everybody Crossfire

Four Seasons I’m gonna change

Jumpin at the gogo Wyncote LP

Gloria Parker

Nita Rossi

 

Seems like a lifetime ago!

[Steve S 60]

23 minutes ago, tomangoes said:

We can all quote...

 

There are always interesting back stories to these 45s ….. Billy Smith changed his surname to Arnell for the 45 release as he thought it sounded more showbiz ! … he was actually only 14 at the time but as the band were gigging in bars he had to pretend he was much older

 

Picture on right of an older billy.

 

As per my original point. He made FA out of it, but others did, and somebody and some venue claim the glory of discovering it and / playing it.

 

Just saying.......

 

Ed

 

Don't know what he made, if anything, from the song, but you've hardly contributed to his earnings by owning the unlicensed reissue back In the day, but you have contributed to the "others".

 

Just saying.

[Winsford Soul]

26 minutes ago, colouredman said:

Here’s a cracker! Probably never played since it’s heyday at the Casino. Sounds poor now but very atmospheric at Wigan and big.

 

Kieth  Daylight Saving Time

 

and a couple more:

 

Billy Watkins  Ice Man

Lord Thunder  Thunder

Sammy Sevens Everybody Crossfire

Four Seasons I’m gonna change

Jumpin at the gogo Wyncote LP

Gloria Parker

Nita Rossi

 

Seems like a lifetime ago!

I played the Billy Watkins and the Gloria Parker  tunes out occasionally.  Great records. 

Steve 

[Tomangoes]

1 hour ago, Steve S 60 said:

 

Don't know what he made, if anything, from the song, but you've hardly contributed to his earnings by owning the unlicensed reissue back In the day, but you have contributed to the "others".

 

Just saying.

Indeed I did, and many more times over!

 

It was essential to get that latest sound.

 

The recklessness of youth indeed.

 

All part of the game though.

 

Ed

[Paul R]

Just Checked through all 18 pages, and although not monsters but possibly nearly forgotten from the early days(nights), I'll add:

Willows, My Kinda Guy

Diane Brookes, In My Heart

Betti Webb, I Know

100% Aged In Soul, One Mans Leftovers

Tower Of Power, This Time It's Real

Jackie Follett, There's A Moment

 

Some of these were played pre Wigan in the wilderness months between the Torch and Casino. 

[Sheldonsoul]

6 hours ago, tomangoes said:

So Rain - out of my mind was credited to Soul Sam at the St Ives venue?

 

Maybe somebody should chronicle when where and by whom!

 

Just remember it being a floor filler at the Cleethorpes Winter Gardens all nighters.

 

Once folks like John Anderson were importing a box or two of a certain tune, skimming off half a dozen to 'associated dj's'  it's hard to credit that record to anywhere but Kings Lynn!

 

Ed

This was a thread I started years ago might be some help 

 

[Bruv]

  Not sure if this number has been posted already early in the thread  Louise Lewis - Wee OO I'll Let It Be You Babe    

[Guest]

Maybe not a "forgotten" Casino tune, but definitely one which is not only rarely played out nowadays, but one that most on the scene will deny even liking. Such is the snobbery today!

BUT....... if we're talking Monsters, none were any bigger than this mid 74. It filled the floor to its maximum and beyond, and provided an atmosphere only matched by AOTR that summer. If you were lucky enough to be there, and topped up to the gunnels with copious amounts of high quality pharmaceuticals, then close your eyes, listen, and you'll instantly be transported back, to a time of 100mph dancing, synchronised handclaps loud enough to burst eardrums, and more....

 

 

[Bruv]

 

  Don't think this Adams Apples spin has been posted yet, You Are The One I Love 

[Ian Parker]

Adams Apples always reminds me of Nottingham.    but you're right,   a forgotten monster

[Guest Joeboy]

Has To be this for me:

 

Landy Mcneal - Counting On You Baby - COLUMBIA: 44938

 

Edited September 4, 2018 by Joeboy
Updated

[Leicester Boy]

12 hours ago, Joey said:

Maybe not a "forgotten" Casino tune, but definitely one which is not only rarely played out nowadays, but one that most on the scene will deny even liking. Such is the snobbery today!

BUT....... if we're talking Monsters, none were any bigger than this mid 74. It filled the floor to its maximum and beyond, and provided an atmosphere only matched by AOTR that summer. If you were lucky enough to be there, and topped up to the gunnels with copious amounts of high quality pharmaceuticals, then close your eyes, listen, and you'll instantly be transported back, to a time of 100mph dancing, synchronised handclaps loud enough to burst eardrums, and more....

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Joey said:

Maybe not a "forgotten" Casino tune, but definitely one which is not only rarely played out nowadays, but one that most on the scene will deny even liking. Such is the snobbery today!

BUT....... if we're talking Monsters, none were any bigger than this mid 74. It filled the floor to its maximum and beyond, and provided an atmosphere only matched by AOTR that summer. If you were lucky enough to be there, and topped up to the gunnels with copious amounts of high quality pharmaceuticals, then close your eyes, listen, and you'll instantly be transported back, to a time of 100mph dancing, synchronised handclaps loud enough to burst eardrums, and more....

 

 

Love it joey but much restricted play now due to soul police enforcement.

[Leicester Boy]

Sorry about the double post, trying to eat breakfast at the same time.

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, Leicester boy said:

Sorry about the double post, trying to eat breakfast at the same time.

Lol.  

[Steve S 60]

53 minutes ago, Leicester boy said:

Sorry about the double post, trying to eat breakfast at the same time.

 

There's Toast In Your House.

[Guest Joeboy]

2 hours ago, Steve S 60 said:

 

There's Toast In Your House.

pmsl

[Peter99]

16 hours ago, Joey said:

Maybe not a "forgotten" Casino tune, but definitely one which is not only rarely played out nowadays, but one that most on the scene will deny even liking. Such is the snobbery today!

BUT....... if we're talking Monsters, none were any bigger than this mid 74. It filled the floor to its maximum and beyond, and provided an atmosphere only matched by AOTR that summer. If you were lucky enough to be there, and topped up to the gunnels with copious amounts of high quality pharmaceuticals, then close your eyes, listen, and you'll instantly be transported back, to a time of 100mph dancing, synchronised handclaps loud enough to burst eardrums, and more....

 

 

Thats horrible. Always was and always will be.

[Guest Spain pete]

18 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

Thats horrible. Always was and always will be.

Marmite l agree,  the record brilliant!

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

Thats horrible. Always was and always will be.

 

Loved and loathed in equal quantities certainly, but.........

Another one where you just had to be there at the time. Another record that the soul police and chin strokers have tried to erase from the scene's history. But, it was played, was a monster sound for a couple of months, and along with other tunes now deemed not PC enough to be even mentioned, (much less played), created an atmosphere quite possibly unmatched anywhere either before or since. 

[Paul R]

39 minutes ago, Joey said:

 

Loved and loathed in equal quantities certainly, but.........

Another one where you just had to be there at the time. Another record that the soul police and chin strokers have tried to erase from the scene's history. But, it was played, was a monster sound for a couple of months, and along with other tunes now deemed not PC enough to be even mentioned, (much less played), created an atmosphere quite possibly unmatched anywhere either before or since. 

The other thing is, the Casino gets the blame for stuff like this which, as Joey said was absolutely massive in the first few months there. But it should be remembered that it was originally a Mecca spin along with a lot of other "blue eyed" sounds.

[Leicester Boy]

3 minutes ago, Paul r said:

The other thing is, the Casino gets the blame for stuff like this which, as Joey said was absolutely massive in the first few months there. But it should be remembered that it was originally a Mecca spin along with a lot of other "blue eyed" sounds.

A great record is a great record, blue eyed or Chicago ghetto. Northern soul is not just rare black soul.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Paul r said:

The other thing is, the Casino gets the blame for stuff like this which, as Joey said was absolutely massive in the first few months there. But it should be remembered that it was originally a Mecca spin along with a lot of other "blue eyed" sounds.

 

Yeah, I first heard it at the Mecca, early 74, but it never seemed to really take off there. At the Casino however.......Wow! 

[Peter99]

5 minutes ago, Leicester boy said:

A great record is a great record, blue eyed or Chicago ghetto. Northern soul is not just rare black soul.

One mans rubbish is another mans treasure. Innit. 

[Leicester Boy]

4 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

One mans rubbish is another mans treasure. Innit. 

The scene is broad, alldayers last for many hours, time aplenty to keep everyone happy. 

[Koolkat]

On 01/09/2018 at 11:35, DaveNPete said:

I know it was first played at the Cats, but Pete always talks about how this used to bounce off the back wall. Maybe not forgotten but...
 

 

Yep. This absolutely reeks of the Casino closely followed by Nancy wilson .....End of our love.

[KevH]

18 minutes ago, Koolkat said:

Yep. This absolutely reeks of the Casino closely followed by Nancy wilson .....End of our love.

Absolutely!

[northernnigel60]

On 19/11/2014 at 21:30, douglaschip said:

What about - Evil - by Posse on Janus.

Fantastic record, got a demo of it myself - never gets played now. Such a shame, records like these need reactivating.

Great memories of a by-gone time.

Long may it carry on!!!!! KOKO

[Jock B]

Libra apollo 11

Edited October 19, 2018 by Jock B

[Tomangoes]

On 04/09/2018 at 16:19, Koolkat said:

Yep. This absolutely reeks of the Casino closely followed by Nancy wilson .....End of our love.

Did the Ann Perry instrumental ever get played? 

I think it's awful compared to the vocal.

 

Ed

[Paul R]

5 minutes ago, tomangoes said:

Did the Ann Perry instrumental ever get played? 

I think it's awful compared to the vocal.

 

Ed

Played by Levine at the Mecca, covered up as What Soul Is by Butch Baker!

 

Paul

[Joesoap]

I can't go through 18 pages but have we had this yet?

 

Do we know anything about who Fluffy Falana was?

[Benji]

16 minutes ago, JoeSoap said:

 

Do we know anything about who Fluffy Falana was?

Sure. He's Lola Falana's brother. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lola_Falana

[Chalky]

10 hours ago, JoeSoap said:

I can't go through 18 pages but have we had this yet?

 

Do we know anything about who Fluffy Falana was?

Probably because it isn’t forgotten maybe?

[Joesoap]

On 20/10/2018 at 10:39, chalky said:

Probably because it isn’t forgotten maybe?

All right mate. Haven't heard it played out myself for years... Is that ok? Blimey......!

[Tattoodave]

On ‎20‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 11:39, chalky said:

Probably because it isn’t forgotten maybe?

Quite rightly not forgotten, been playing it out for years

[Diddy Morgan]

delaney bramlett has got to be up there with the very worst

 

 

[Ian Parker]

On 20/10/2018 at 00:53, Benji said:

Sure. He's Lola Falana's brother. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lola_Falana

Fantastic read....     

[Bruv]

Never hear this Station Road spin played out anymore Robert Knight - Branded  apart from in my Front Room....