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Zed1 Long Time

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  On 01/09/2018 at 14:31, Winsford Soul said:

Ed .

It was also a floor filler at the Casino.

Who played what , where, when is the six million dollar question mate

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Always puzzled me slightly Ste this obsession some on here have with which venue played which track first and at what time. You'd almost think that certain venues had some kind of Chin Strokers exclusive rights to a track and any other venue daring to play it should be Torched (no pun intended) and Burnt to the Ground (another not intended pun).

 

I loved, and danced to countless tracks at Station Rd which I hadn't got the first idea were played several years earlier by Dave Doubledecks at some venue I'd never heard of in some part of the country I never knew existed, and TBH I couldn't give a fook either way if I did.. ALL venues no matter how far back you go were only the Vehicles of the music NOT the inventors.

 

Anyway, if we're really going to be pedant then NO venue will have exclusive rights to a track as it will have doubtless  have been played in someones front room first!.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Since 90+% of those who went to nighters (when these were still around) will have munched their way through a few hundred of these over the years is there really any need for being a stuffed shirt abo

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Always puzzled me slightly Ste this obsession some on here have with which venue played which track first and at what time. You'd almost think that certain venues had some kind of Chin Strokers exclus

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  On 01/09/2018 at 14:46, Zed1 said:

 

Always puzzled me slightly Ste this obsession some on here have with which venue played which track first and at what time. You'd almost think that certain venues had some kind of Chin Strokers exclusive rights to a track and an other venue daring to play it should be Torched (no pun intended) and Burnt to the Ground (another not intended pun).

 

I loved, and danced to countless tracks at Station Rd which I hadn't got the first idea were played several years earlier by Dave Doubledecks at some venue I'd never heard of in some part of the counntry i never knew existed, and TBH I couldn't give a fook either way if I did.. ALL venues no matter how far back you go were only the Vehicles of the music NOT the inventors.

 

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Gaz. When we where 16 mate and first went to the Casino and now at 59 when I last went out last week. I like yourself don't give a toss who , what, where when . If its good in my opinion, I will sometimes dance to it, buy it if its available at the right price to me. If not I wont bother. But I wont lose any sleep over its origins

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  On 01/09/2018 at 14:16, tomangoes said:

So Rain - out of my mind was credited to Soul Sam at the St Ives venue?

 

Maybe somebody should chronicle when where and by whom!

 

Just remember it being a floor filler at the Cleethorpes Winter Gardens all nighters.

 

Once folks like John Anderson were importing a box or two of a certain tune, skimming off half a dozen to 'associated dj's'  it's hard to credit that record to anywhere but Kings Lynn!

 

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Rain was first played at the Pier by Poke. It was covered as Joan Moody "I'm coming home". The actual copy he played was an incorrectly pressed copy of Vickie Anderson "Too tough for Mr Big Stuff" on Brownstone. 

Poke worked for John at Soul Bowl at the time so of course, it too, came from Kings Lynn. 

 

p.s. Knowing Poke he wouldn't give a monkeys about the credit, he would have just enjoyed the buzz of introducing people to a tune that became so popular.

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  On 01/09/2018 at 14:55, Winsford Soul said:

Gaz. When we where 16 mate and first went to the Casino and now at 59 when I last went out last week. I like yourself don't give a toss who , what, where when . If its good in my opinion, I will sometimes dance to it, buy it if its available at the right price to me. If not I wont bother. But I wont lose any sleep over its origins

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I have a great interest in the history surrounding the scene and love to know who what where when etc and I always give credit where credit is due.  I've seen too may Johnny come lately's trying to take credit for something they don't rightly deserve, not so much on here but other social media.

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Rain was first played at the Pier by Poke. It was covered as Joan Moody "I'm coming home". The actual copy he played was an incorrectly pressed copy of Vickie Anderson "Too tough for Mr Big Stuff" on Brownstone. 

Poke worked for John at Soul Bowl at the time so of course, it too, came from Kings Lynn. 

 

p.s. Knowing Poke he wouldn't give a monkeys about the credit, he would have just enjoyed the buzz of introducing people to a tune that became so popular.

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Richard had at the same time or very soon after so it is said.

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I have a great interest in the history surrounding the scene and love to know who what where when etc and I always give credit where credit is due.  I've seen too may Johnny come lately's trying to take credit for something they don't rightly deserve, not so much on here but other social media.

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I have a great deal of respect for you chalky mate  :hatsoff2:and others like you for the time and effort that you take researching the history and I'm not knocking you or anyone else who does.

I only research the side of it that really interests me or that I was involved with as a punter, promoter , DJ or record collector and if I would like to know more I have no airs or graces to ask the more knowledgeable people than me like yourself.  

Steve / Ste. / I'm Spartacus.  Oops wrong thread again 

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Not sure if this is totally true, but I once heard that Billy Arnell spent all his money making this.

 

 

And it did not sell well....

 

 

But it was / is a highly collectable disc on our scene.

 

It got pressed up and for sure I got me a copy back in the day....

 

I'm assuming the folks who pressed it up made a few bob, and the djs who played it out were rewarded in one way or another.

 

But what about Billy? He may not have needed a return, but it seems to me that plenty of others got a return.

 

TSWONS

 

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  On 01/09/2018 at 16:27, tomangoes said:

Not sure if this is totally true, but I once heard that Billy Arnell spent all his money making this.

 

 

And it did not sell well....

 

 

But it was / is a highly collectable disc on our scene.

 

It got pressed up and for sure I got me a copy back in the day....

 

I'm assuming the folks who pressed it up made a few bob, and the djs who played it out were rewarded in one way or another.

 

But what about Billy? He may not have needed a return, but it seems to me that plenty of others got a return.

 

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Billy was only 17 and at high school when this was released so I doubt he had much money to spend.

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  On 01/09/2018 at 16:08, Winsford Soul said:

I have a great deal of respect for you chalky mate  :hatsoff2:and others like you for the time and effort that you take researching the history and I'm not knocking you or anyone else who does.

I only research the side of it that really interests me or that I was involved with as a punter, promoter , DJ or record collector and if I would like to know more I have no airs or graces to ask the more knowledgeable people than me like yourself.  

Steve / Ste. / I'm Spartacus.  Oops wrong thread again 

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Not sure about more knowledgeable mate, everyone has knowledge others don't...just a question of sharing it to get the full picture.

 

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  On 01/09/2018 at 16:52, Steve S 60 said:

Billy was only 17 and at high school when this was released so I doubt he had much money to spend.

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There are always interesting back stories to these 45s ….. Billy Smith changed his surname to Arnell for the 45 release as he thought it sounded more showbiz ! … he was actually only 14 at the time but as the band were gigging in bars he had to pretend he was much older

 

Picture on right of an older billy.

 

As per my original point. He made FA out of it, but others did, and somebody and some venue claim the glory of discovering it and / playing it.

 

Just saying.......

 

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  On 01/09/2018 at 15:49, chalky said:

 

Richard had at the same time or very soon after so it is said.

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Everybody had it shortly afterwards Chalky. Poke had it first because he worked there and had hours to play through 'all the crap' as he once said to me! It was his job, once the potential was recognised John monetised it. I would imagine it was true of many things in the earlier days at Kings Lynn.

 

For instance the Colt 45's came from Poke's 'too crap to play' box, but he left it with me one weekend and Gary R. heard it on a tape in my car. Once he had bought it from Poke and started playing it, everyone wanted one. Who gets the credit for that? Poke for owning it or Gary for being the first to have faith and play it out?

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Here’s a cracker! Probably never played since it’s heyday at the Casino. Sounds poor now but very atmospheric at Wigan and big.

 

Kieth  Daylight Saving Time

 

and a couple more:

 

Billy Watkins  Ice Man

Lord Thunder  Thunder

Sammy Sevens Everybody Crossfire

Four Seasons I’m gonna change

Jumpin at the gogo Wyncote LP

Gloria Parker

Nita Rossi

 

Seems like a lifetime ago!

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We can all quote...

 

There are always interesting back stories to these 45s ….. Billy Smith changed his surname to Arnell for the 45 release as he thought it sounded more showbiz ! … he was actually only 14 at the time but as the band were gigging in bars he had to pretend he was much older

 

Picture on right of an older billy.

 

As per my original point. He made FA out of it, but others did, and somebody and some venue claim the glory of discovering it and / playing it.

 

Just saying.......

 

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Don't know what he made, if anything, from the song, but you've hardly contributed to his earnings by owning the unlicensed reissue back In the day, but you have contributed to the "others".

 

Just saying.

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  On 01/09/2018 at 17:22, colouredman said:

Here’s a cracker! Probably never played since it’s heyday at the Casino. Sounds poor now but very atmospheric at Wigan and big.

 

Kieth  Daylight Saving Time

 

and a couple more:

 

Billy Watkins  Ice Man

Lord Thunder  Thunder

Sammy Sevens Everybody Crossfire

Four Seasons I’m gonna change

Jumpin at the gogo Wyncote LP

Gloria Parker

Nita Rossi

 

Seems like a lifetime ago!

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I played the Billy Watkins and the Gloria Parker  tunes out occasionally.  Great records. 

Steve 

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Don't know what he made, if anything, from the song, but you've hardly contributed to his earnings by owning the unlicensed reissue back In the day, but you have contributed to the "others".

 

Just saying.

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Indeed I did, and many more times over!

 

It was essential to get that latest sound.

 

The recklessness of youth indeed.

 

All part of the game though.

 

Ed

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Just Checked through all 18 pages, and although not monsters but possibly nearly forgotten from the early days(nights), I'll add:

Willows, My Kinda Guy

Diane Brookes, In My Heart

Betti Webb, I Know

100% Aged In Soul, One Mans Leftovers

Tower Of Power, This Time It's Real

Jackie Follett, There's A Moment

 

Some of these were played pre Wigan in the wilderness months between the Torch and Casino. 

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So Rain - out of my mind was credited to Soul Sam at the St Ives venue?

 

Maybe somebody should chronicle when where and by whom!

 

Just remember it being a floor filler at the Cleethorpes Winter Gardens all nighters.

 

Once folks like John Anderson were importing a box or two of a certain tune, skimming off half a dozen to 'associated dj's'  it's hard to credit that record to anywhere but Kings Lynn!

 

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This was a thread I started years ago might be some help 

 

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Maybe not a "forgotten" Casino tune, but definitely one which is not only rarely played out nowadays, but one that most on the scene will deny even liking. Such is the snobbery today!

BUT....... if we're talking Monsters, none were any bigger than this mid 74. It filled the floor to its maximum and beyond, and provided an atmosphere only matched by AOTR that summer. If you were lucky enough to be there, and topped up to the gunnels with copious amounts of high quality pharmaceuticals, then close your eyes, listen, and you'll instantly be transported back, to a time of 100mph dancing, synchronised handclaps loud enough to burst eardrums, and more....

 

 

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Maybe not a "forgotten" Casino tune, but definitely one which is not only rarely played out nowadays, but one that most on the scene will deny even liking. Such is the snobbery today!

BUT....... if we're talking Monsters, none were any bigger than this mid 74. It filled the floor to its maximum and beyond, and provided an atmosphere only matched by AOTR that summer. If you were lucky enough to be there, and topped up to the gunnels with copious amounts of high quality pharmaceuticals, then close your eyes, listen, and you'll instantly be transported back, to a time of 100mph dancing, synchronised handclaps loud enough to burst eardrums, and more....

 

 

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  On 03/09/2018 at 19:34, Joey said:

Maybe not a "forgotten" Casino tune, but definitely one which is not only rarely played out nowadays, but one that most on the scene will deny even liking. Such is the snobbery today!

BUT....... if we're talking Monsters, none were any bigger than this mid 74. It filled the floor to its maximum and beyond, and provided an atmosphere only matched by AOTR that summer. If you were lucky enough to be there, and topped up to the gunnels with copious amounts of high quality pharmaceuticals, then close your eyes, listen, and you'll instantly be transported back, to a time of 100mph dancing, synchronised handclaps loud enough to burst eardrums, and more....

 

 

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Love it joey but much restricted play now due to soul police enforcement. 😎

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Maybe not a "forgotten" Casino tune, but definitely one which is not only rarely played out nowadays, but one that most on the scene will deny even liking. Such is the snobbery today!

BUT....... if we're talking Monsters, none were any bigger than this mid 74. It filled the floor to its maximum and beyond, and provided an atmosphere only matched by AOTR that summer. If you were lucky enough to be there, and topped up to the gunnels with copious amounts of high quality pharmaceuticals, then close your eyes, listen, and you'll instantly be transported back, to a time of 100mph dancing, synchronised handclaps loud enough to burst eardrums, and more....

 

 

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Thats horrible. Always was and always will be.

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  On 04/09/2018 at 12:08, Peter99 said:

Thats horrible. Always was and always will be.

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Marmite l agree,  the record brilliant!

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Thats horrible. Always was and always will be.

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Loved and loathed in equal quantities certainly, but.........

Another one where you just had to be there at the time. Another record that the soul police and chin strokers have tried to erase from the scene's history. But, it was played, was a monster sound for a couple of months, and along with other tunes now deemed not PC enough to be even mentioned, (much less played), created an atmosphere quite possibly unmatched anywhere either before or since. 

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Loved and loathed in equal quantities certainly, but.........

Another one where you just had to be there at the time. Another record that the soul police and chin strokers have tried to erase from the scene's history. But, it was played, was a monster sound for a couple of months, and along with other tunes now deemed not PC enough to be even mentioned, (much less played), created an atmosphere quite possibly unmatched anywhere either before or since. 

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The other thing is, the Casino gets the blame for stuff like this which, as Joey said was absolutely massive in the first few months there. But it should be remembered that it was originally a Mecca spin along with a lot of other "blue eyed" sounds.

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  On 04/09/2018 at 13:37, Paul r said:

The other thing is, the Casino gets the blame for stuff like this which, as Joey said was absolutely massive in the first few months there. But it should be remembered that it was originally a Mecca spin along with a lot of other "blue eyed" sounds.

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A great record is a great record, blue eyed or Chicago ghetto. Northern soul is not just rare black soul.

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The other thing is, the Casino gets the blame for stuff like this which, as Joey said was absolutely massive in the first few months there. But it should be remembered that it was originally a Mecca spin along with a lot of other "blue eyed" sounds.

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Yeah, I first heard it at the Mecca, early 74, but it never seemed to really take off there. At the Casino however.......Wow! 

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  On 01/09/2018 at 10:35, DaveNPete said:

I know it was first played at the Cats, but Pete always talks about how this used to bounce off the back wall. Maybe not forgotten but...
 

 

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Yep. This absolutely reeks of the Casino closely followed by Nancy wilson .....End of our love.

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