Tomangoes Acetate ?

[Guest]

Maybe we can draw a line under folks buying expensive records to somehow become 'big DJs'.

Simply not going to happen.

I get at least 2 a week telling me how they should be on the rosta at Stoke, Blackpool and other prestigious events.

The advice I give is to save your money or enjoy the purchases at home.

The scene is well covered by competent, professional DJs, many without Eddie Parker - I'm Gone.

Thing is, if you really have to ask "Can I DJ"........it`s obvious that you can`t!

 

Far too many collectors (of originals or whatever) think they have every right to be a DJ and it doesn`t work like that!

 

And too many punters with their box of bootlegs and re-issues who wake up one morning and think they are a DJ cos they`ve a box of records.....and they are getting regular bookings all over the place. all because they have the nerve to ask around and get their name about. Most of the crowd aren`t bothered because.....well, they just aren`t are they!  Ive more or less packed it in because i`m fed up sitting there waiting for my spot listening to Billy Boot play half his spot with boots and reissues of what`s in my box on original, and to piss you off even more.....someone across the table asks "You have this don`t yer?" Whether or not I would have played said records is not the point. Billy gets a round of applause a pat on the back and thinks he`s Kid Jenson. 

 

And i`ll just ad......(and there`s more )

The scene is getting very much watered down and it`s partly because of the above.

Promoters have to stop giving every Tom, Dick & Billy Bootleg a DJ spot just because....."Well he comes every month"

I`ve always said it`s not rocket science this DJ thing, but after listening to some of the sets that these "Billies" shovel   together without any real thought going into it..... it appears I was wrong.  

Edited November 13, 2014 by Guest

[Mattbolton]

Wasn't this same thread here last year? I started it!

Didn't we come to the conclusion that it was always going to happen at the Tower weekender. Despite Kev and Richard's sterling [sic] collections.

Therefore you pay your money you takes your chance.

[Goldsoul]

For the record.....Tomangoes on Washpan THE ORIGINAL is played at he Tower and most Goldsoul events by Sean Chapman, Ginger Taylor, Andy Dyson among others! For F**** Sake move on!

Edited November 16, 2014 by The Golden 101

[Peter Richer]

For the record.....Tomangoes on Washpan THE ORIGINAL is played at he Tower and most Goldsoul events by Sean Chapman, Ginger Taylor, Andy Dyson among others! For F**** Sake move on!

 

I've no doubt that's right, and that these (and others) are first rate DJs with outstanding records to play.

 

But how do they feel when the chap (or chapess) on before them sneaks in half of their big oldies off of Casino Classics or Soussan-specials?

[Goldsoul]

Kev, three dj´s playing the same record after all these years and so many to chose from

Steve

Steve- It isn't the DJs. They are hired for skill, talent and customer satisfaction.

The Tomangoes is white hot right now with punters demanding it 2-3 times a night.

I appreciate this doesn't sit well with long serving Northern stalwarts like yourself, but the public have the last word.

The promoter and DJs are definitely not at fault. They have the ammunition to deliver thoroughly invigorated sets, but 'joe public' sees it quite differently. And they are en masse right now.

Best,

KR

[Goldsoul]

I've no doubt that's right, and that these (and others) are first rate DJs with outstanding records to play.

But how do they feel when the chap (or chapess) on before them sneaks in half of their big oldies off of Casino Classics or Soussan-specials?

Peter- Comments much appreciated.

Yep, It's a P****r when the guy on before you ruins your spot with boots and reissues.

Probably more common than ever.

The difficulty is balancing DJs who have great collections and are very good skilfully with excellent ones who play boots.

The larger the the event the more difficult it is to 'draw the line'.

Please understand it from a promoter's point of view when the public tell you they love a particular DJ when you know full well he plays reissues.

Not an easy one!

Edited November 16, 2014 by The Golden 101

[Peter Richer]

Peter- Comments much appreciated.

Yep, It's a P****r when the guy on before you ruins your spot with boots and reissues.

Probably more common than ever.

The difficulty is balancing DJs who have great collections and are very good skilfully with excellent ones who play boots.

The larger the the event the more difficult it is to 'draw the line'.

Please understand it from a promoter's point of view when the public tell you they love a particular DJ when you know full well he plays reissues.

Not an easy one!

 

Yes, I'm sure that can be a dilemma Kev, and one of the decisions of a promoter that they perhaps least look forward to making. 

 

I sometimes like to go to art exhibitions too, but I'd be none too impressed if when I got to one of my favourite galleries one of the featured artists (popular though he may be) had sold all their original paintings and replaced them with prints. Might be time for the curator to have a quiet word in that particular artist's ear.

[Peter Richer]

... no offence to Van Gogh intended!

[Chalky]

I fully understand your point of view Kev and Goldsoul does what it says on the tin and why we keep,having the same arguements on here is beyond me.  But you said it yourself you have several DJ's with the real thing so allowing the playing of reissues doesn't make sense.  There are plenty of DJ's who could and can do the job with originals without compromising your publics enjoyment.

 

at the end of the day isn't it better for a promoters image and reputation that the original release is played?

[Goldsoul]

I fully understand your point of view Kev and Goldsoul does what it says on the tin and why we keep,having the same arguements on here is beyond me. But you said it yourself you have several DJ's with the real thing so allowing the playing of reissues doesn't make sense. There are plenty of DJ's who could and can do the job with originals without compromising your publics enjoyment.

at the end of the day isn't it better for a promoters image and reputation that the original release is played?

Chalky- Unfortunately you are out of the loop with very large events. No offence intended.

Firstly most of the public don't care about originals. But they do care about DJ talent. That's why as a promoter I have to take a balanced view.

It's no good hiring any old DJ who plays OVO if the customer doesn't like what they are hearing. I receive a lot of feedback in this area. Please remember the scene is at an all time high for attendances. The majority of the NS fan base want quality venues and DJs plus the top 100( yep, the 5 has gone). It's my job to listen to the public.

If other promoters want to put on other style events aimed at a more niche market, I welcome it. But it ain't gonna happen at a unique monument such as Blackpool Tower

Edited November 16, 2014 by The Golden 101

[Billywhizz]

Thing is, if you really have to ask "Can I DJ"........it`s obvious that you can`t!

 

Far too many collectors (of originals or whatever) think they have every right to be a DJ and it doesn`t work like that!

 

And too many punters with their box of bootlegs and re-issues who wake up one morning and think they are a DJ cos they`ve a box of records.....and they are getting regular bookings all over the place. all because they have the nerve to ask around and get their name about. Most of the crowd aren`t bothered because.....well, they just aren`t are they!  Ive more or less packed it in because i`m fed up sitting there waiting for my spot listening to Billy Boot play half his spot with boots and reissues of what`s in my box on original, and to piss you off even more.....someone across the table asks "You have this don`t yer?" Whether or not I would have played said records is not the point. Billy gets a round of applause a pat on the back and thinks he`s Kid Jenson. 

 

And i`ll just ad......(and there`s more )

The scene is getting very much watered down and it`s partly because of the above.

Promoters have to stop giving every Tom, Dick & Billy Bootleg a DJ spot just because....."Well he comes every month"

I`ve always said it`s not rocket science this DJ thing, but after listening to some of the sets that these "Billies" shovel   together without any real thought going into it..... it appears I was wrong.  

steve there alot of billy djs about ,lol cheers willy

[Billywhizz]

For the record.....Tomangoes on Washpan THE ORIGINAL is played at he Tower and most Goldsoul events by Sean Chapman, Ginger Taylor, Andy Dyson among others! For F**** Sake move on!

kev we all know do.nt bite billy

[hullsoul]

Chalky- Unfortunately you are out of the loop with very large events. No offence intended.

Firstly most of the public don't care about originals. But they do care about DJ talent. That's why as a promoter I have to take a balanced view.

It's no good hiring any old DJ who plays OVO if the customer doesn't like what they are hearing. I receive a lot of feedback in this area. Please remember the scene is at an all time high for attendances. The majority of the NS fan base want quality venues and DJs plus the top 100( yep, the 5 has gone). It's my job to listen to the public.

If other promoters want to put on other style events aimed at a more niche market, I welcome it. But it ain't gonna happen at a unique monument such as Blackpool Tower

Is the dj pool so small that there isn't enough quality dj's with the quality collections to cover the 100-ish records expected on originals to fill your dj line up?

Cheers

Martyn

[Goldsoul]

Billy- Thanks for your concern but honestly I'm not biting.

I understand Chalky, Steve and others passion and wanting of some sort of law n order attached to the scene at large.

I am merely separating my personal feelings from business ones.

It's a real super minority that play non originals out our events. I wish it were a complete 100%. But the public have a real say in how gigs are promoted and if you do not pay attention to them, the scene will be back super underground.

Music to the ears of many on here.

[Goldsoul]

Is the dj pool so small that there isn't enough quality dj's with the quality collections to cover the 100-ish records expected on originals to fill your dj line up?

Cheers

Martyn

Martyn- Sad to say but really good DJs with the right attitude are hard to find.

The reason why the names you see the most in print is probably because they have the main ingredients a promoter and its fan base are looking for.

I love hearing about DJs I don't know, but most fall by the wayside. Attitude mainly.

[Chalky]

Chalky- Unfortunately you are out of the loop with very large events. No offence intended.

Firstly most of the public don't care about originals. But they do care about DJ talent. That's why as a promoter I have to take a balanced view.

It's no good hiring any old DJ who plays OVO if the customer doesn't like what they are hearing. I receive a lot of feedback in this area. Please remember the scene is at an all time high for attendances. The majority of the NS fan base want quality venues and DJs plus the top 100( yep, the 5 has gone). It's my job to listen to the public.

If other promoters want to put on other style events aimed at a more niche market, I welcome it. But it ain't gonna happen at a unique monument such as Blackpool Tower

None taken.  I know full well how the majority don't care, that they don't mind listening to records repeated and a limited playlist.  I get little free time these days and it isn't how I wish to spend what time I do have.  

 

But it isn't talent playing a reissue when three of his fellow DJ's have spent several thousands of pounds to obtain the original, it is a complete lack off respect IMO, not sure how Ginger, Andy and Sean feel about it?  There really is no need to play any reissues at any event as there are many competent DJ's out there with the real thing.

 

If the Dj who played the reissue hadn't played it I doubt very much your crowd would have realised nor cared whatsoever as they would have heard it via one of the others.

 

I realise and understand your crowd don't care that they are listening to reissues, I was simply questioning your reasoning behind it when you acknowledged three of your Dj's had a real one, it wouldn't sit comfotably with me either as one of those Dj's nor as a promoter to see this happen.

Edited November 16, 2014 by chalky

[Guest]

I`m not talking about the "Stocking Filler" DJs, some of these lads can be really good with or without originals but some are getting proper guest spots and that can`t be right.

And there are also quite a few "DJs" who play OVO that couldn`t DJ their way out of a paper bag! 

 

And I understand Kev that there`s a fine balance to be made, i`m not one who hates anything but originals but it`s the actual DJ talent that`s sadly amiss a lot of the time whatever they`re playing.

Edited November 18, 2014 by Guest

[hullsoul]

Martyn- Sad to say but really good DJs with the right attitude are hard to find.

The reason why the names you see the most in print is probably because they have the main ingredients a promoter and its fan base are looking for.

I love hearing about DJs I don't know, but most fall by the wayside. Attitude mainly.

Kev

Sad indeed.

Maybe you need to start a dj school up

Cheers

Martyn

[Goldsoul]

Kev

Sad indeed.

Maybe you need to start a dj school up

Cheers

Martyn

Joking aside.....Bad attitude is the main problem for would be Northern Soul DJs.

[Andybellwood]

Kev critiques his A team's spots - keeps the bar high and aligned with the customer.

Edited November 16, 2014 by andybellwood

[Bridgesoceity]

What do you mean by 'bad attitude' Kev?

[Ian Parker]

I`m not talking about the "Stocking Filler" DJs, some of these lads can be really good with or without originals but some are getting proper guest spots and that can`t be right.

And there are also quite a few "DJs" who play OVO that couldnt DJ their way out of a paper bag! 

 

Nail on head 

[Goldsoul]

choommmm

What do you mean by 'bad attitude' Kev?

Just two regularly used lines that I hear on a fairly regular basis.

1. Hi, my name is ______ and looking for DJ bookings. Anything doing at Stoke or Blackpool Tower?

When given my standard and very friendly turndown, it's generally a 'do you know what's in my box or worse 'I have just spent 100 grand in the last 6 months'

Or

2. You need to book me at your main venues as I'm better than the ones you've got.

The latter call or email tends to get no response from me.

Big rooms to fill require confident spinners who have projected their image well, have a following, good attitude, great box of records and clearly 'get it' as in when to play Beverly Ann and when to dig out William Powell. Fortunately I know a dozen who can deliver.

Apols if we are now off topic. And as for the Tomangoes.....who's the swine who beat me to it on EBay? Even I can't bloody play it at the moment. Ha!

[Mellorful]

This year we have attended several weekenders and the DJ's have done a great job at each event.

Kev explained it clearly earlier, the DJ selection is a business matter rather than one dictated by the OVO personal preference aspect; the audience requirements at these weekenders are well understood and managed by the promoters and long may it continue. DJ's playing at main events are selected for their skills and ability to manage the dance floor with vinyl. The proof is in the pudding and that's why the weekender events are proving popular with large numbers of paying punters who keep going back year after year.

The big name DJ's have enough quality vinyl to overcome minor setbacks like an emi disc being played by another DJ.

Indeed I suggest that the acetate played by another DJ provides an opportunity for those big name DJ's to play a classic well loved tune that has been overlooked for a period instead of playing Tomangoes/Tamangoes. The big name DJ's should be quietly grateful as it saves wear and tear on their valuable original.

Unfortunately we were unable to attend Bpool this year but plan to go back next year and frankly we are okay if the occassional legitimate reissues gets spun so long as the DJ sets flow and keep the wife and I on the dance floor.

As buyers of weekender entertainment we go to dance rather than spending time watching a screen with a record  spinning and tutting over reissues......

[Chalky]

This year we have attended several weekenders and the DJ's have done a great job at each event.

Kev explained it clearly earlier, the DJ selection is a business matter rather than one dictated by the OVO personal preference aspect; the audience requirements at these weekenders are well understood and managed by the promoters and long may it continue. DJ's playing at main events are selected for their skills and ability to manage the dance floor with vinyl. The proof is in the pudding and that's why the weekender events are proving popular with large numbers of paying punters who keep going back year after year.

The big name DJ's have enough quality vinyl to overcome minor setbacks like an emi disc being played by another DJ.

Indeed I suggest that the acetate played by another DJ provides an opportunity for those big name DJ's to play a classic well loved tune that has been overlooked for a period instead of playing Tomangoes/Tamangoes. The big name DJ's should be quietly grateful as it saves wear and tear on their valuable original.

 

 

Again I think you are missing the whole point of this?

 

But by the same token instead of playing a reissue/acetate of a reissue the big name DJ in question should delve into collection of 'quality' vinyl and play an over looked much cherished classic?

 

They are after all paid a lot of money, and a lot of money is paid buy the public and even if the paying public don't care, on such a stage shouldn't the DJ show he cares?

Edited November 16, 2014 by chalky

[Guest Bearsy]

[Goldsoul]

Again I think you are missing the whole point of this?

But by the same token instead of playing a reissue/acetate of a reissue the big name DJ in question should delve into collection of 'quality' vinyl and play an over looked much cherished classic?

They are after all paid a lot of money, and a lot of money is paid buy the public and even if the paying public don't care, on such a stage shouldn't the DJ show he cares?

All depends which venue you are at.

Kings Hall Stoke for instance, I can't think of a better set than Andy Dyson.

Well thought out, and even though he has mega rarities, he sacrifices his own personal thoughts for the more all nighter underplayed 45's.

At Blackpool, a different type of audience.

Yes we have hardcore but they tend to be out manouvered by a more dumbing down Top 100. I certainly have no problem with that, after all its my daytime job. But I wouldn't expose say Andy to that crowd. That's more for Chris K, Ginger who are comfortable and happy to play in the latter's case JT Parker and Julian Covey in the same set.

The scene is extremely wide now and the ones who fully understand it are getting the most bookings.

My advice to any DJ who wants to further their Northern Soul career is to look at what you are trying to achieve.

If your heart lies with unpopular but brilliant vinyl, stick to that.

But whichever path you choose, don't complain if you are at a bog standard Soul night and you get asked for The Tomangoes more than twice, because chances are you will do.

Edited November 16, 2014 by The Golden 101

[Chalky]

All depends which venue you are at.

Kings Hall Stoke for instance, I can't think of a better set than Andy Dyson.

Well thought out, and even though he has mega rarities, he sacrifices his own personal thoughts for the more all nighter underplayed 45's.

At Blackpool, a different type of audience.

Yes we have hardcore but they tend to be out manouvered by a more dumbing down Top 100. I certainly have no problem with that, after all its my daytime job. But I wouldn't expose say Andy to that crowd. That's more for Chris K, Ginger who are comfortable and happy to play in the latter's case JT Parker and Julian Covey in the same set.

The scene is extremely wide now and the ones who fully understand it are getting the most bookings.

My advice to any DJ who wants to further their Northern Soul career is to look at what you are trying to achieve.

If your heart lies with unpopular but brilliant vinyl, stick to that.

But whichever path you choose, don't complain if you are at a bog standard Soul night and you get asked for The Tomangoes more than twice, because chances are you will do.

 

 

Spot on Kev with all you say.  Andy comfortable in whatever environment he is asked to DJ at.  I love an oldies night out occasionally and take them at face value, KGH one of the best and if it wasn't for my job I would be doing more nighters including KGH, but I have to be choosey these days.  I also have l;little interest in DJ these days and my collecting habits are also changing, more 70's and 80's lately and mainly LP's.

 

As for unpopular but brilliant vinyl depends on the venue, I know where I go they seem pretty popular, not on the scale of KGH but then again not many places are.

Edited November 16, 2014 by chalky

[Mark R]

Why don't you ask the crowds through the door, if in anyway, the enjoyment of the night was diminished, because a DJ played The Tomangoes off an RCA acetate?  The vast majority of the people attending the Tower, don't give a flying f*ck what format it's played on, they go to dance and enjoy themselves. 

 

What I don't understand Pete, if this is true................why the screens?  Just doesn't add up!

 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

[Mellorful]

Again I think you are missing the whole point of this?

 

But by the same token instead of playing a reissue/acetate of a reissue the big name DJ in question should delve into collection of 'quality' vinyl and play an over looked much cherished classic?

 

They are after all paid a lot of money, and a lot of money is paid buy the public and even if the paying public don't care, on such a stage shouldn't the DJ show he cares?

Hi Chalky

I always enjoy your contribution on SS, please keep it up.

I didn't think it was a big name DJ that played the acetate but stand to be corrected, I am sure the big name DJ's have enough quality tunes in the box and could easily rest the odd tune. It must be teeth grindingly boring for them to keep having to get the Tomangoes out, so they get an opportunity to pull out a forgotten favourite (personal preference for Pat Powdrill - Do it, but I rarely hear it played out). 

I suspect there is a DJ payscale and the lesser known names get a smaller cheque so perhaps they have a little latitude with the occassional acetate or legitimate reissue. I'm sure the DJ's do care about how their set is received and will reflect on the feedback and playlist and adjust where necessary. Put in perspective this thread is about a single Tamangoes acetate played over the weekend so given the number of records played this amounts to 0.01%.  Very few things in life are perfect.

Todays SS Carstairs thread may mean their is a chance that a counterfeit may have been erroneously spun as well but the OVO police haven't made any arrests that I have heard of.

Cheers

[Chalky]

Hi Chalky

I always enjoy your contribution on SS, please keep it up.

I didn't think it was a big name DJ that played the acetate but stand to be corrected, I am sure the big name DJ's have enough quality tunes in the box and could easily rest the odd tune. It must be teeth grindingly boring for them to keep having to get the Tomangoes out, so they get an opportunity to pull out a forgotten favourite (personal preference for Pat Powdrill - Do it, but I rarely hear it played out). 

I suspect there is a DJ payscale and the lesser known names get a smaller cheque so perhaps they have a little latitude with the occassional acetate or legitimate reissue. I'm sure the DJ's do care about how their set is received and will reflect on the feedback and playlist and adjust where necessary. Put in perspective this thread is about a single Tamangoes acetate played over the weekend so given the number of records played this amounts to 0.01%.  Very few things in life are perfect.

Todays SS Carstairs thread may mean their is a chance that a counterfeit may have been erroneously spun as well but the OVO police haven't made any arrests that I have heard of.

Cheers

 

 

Hi and thanks.

 

Not sure who it was but I would imagine all on that stage are considered big names?  Also with just a top 500 dumbed down to 100 as Kev says you would think they could easily satisfy the dancers with quality originals?

 

I do think it all gets too anal at times though and certain parts of the scene are in danger of disappearing up its arse.

Edited November 16, 2014 by chalky

[Bridgesoceity]

Playing reissues is a sure fire way for the scene to disappear, whether that's up their arses or not is a different question

[Mellorful]

Hi and thanks.

 

Not sure who it was but I would imagine all on that stage are considered big names?  Also with just a top 500 dumbed down to 100 as Kev says you would think they could easily satisfy the dancers with quality originals?

 

I do think it all gets too anal at times though and certain parts of the scene are in danger of disappearing up its arse.

I agree it becomes very anal at times and I need to laugh. So.....

Next month I have been asked to play a few sets at a venue in Wigan; a friend asked if would spin Patience Valentine for him and I explained not got it but I will play Edie Walker - good guys and it sounds exactly the same. So when I spin Edie Walker I might announce it 'as requested Patience Valentine'; that ought to set the OVO soul police off on a fruitless mission

Sometimes I can't help myself.

[Guest]

Playing reissues is a sure fire way for the scene to disappear, whether that's up their arses or not is a different question

Naah!..............boots and re-issues are a huge benefit to the scene.....they`ve been played in bulk all over the country for the last 40 odd years and further afield over the last 20 or so. More so than originals in a lot of places. If we only ever had original vinyl, our music would have never got out of the 60s.

[Mellorful]

Naah!..............boots and re-issues are a huge benefit to the scene.....they`ve been played in bulk all over the country for the last 40 odd years and further afield over the last 20 or so. More so than originals in a lot of places. If we only ever had original vinyl, our music would have never got out of the 60s.

I suspect the vast majority would agree with you, though most of that majority will always remain silent. The bootlegs and reissues have doubtless been a starting point for the vast majority of collectors, be that the collections started 40+ years ago or just last year. Without that spark there would probably be very few collectors, even fewer venues, considerably smaller scene and bugger all choice of DJ.

Cameras on the decks may have resulted in the evolution of the 'sideline tutter' and without reissues they would have nowt to complain about, then where would we be.....

I'm sure most of us have attended a NS bootleg ball (without it being advertised as such) and still enjoyed ourselves, pleasure given to the audience and no one

hurt.   If someone established a NS bootleg ball then would collectors start to pay a fortune for the first bootleg of Eddie Parker or original reissue of ...... or comments like 'Billy has an amazing collection of bootlegs............'

Has anyone ever set out to run an event called 'Northern soul bootleg ball'?  There should be no shortage of prospective DJ's and then the evolution of another breed of sideline tutter..... moaning about DJ's playing an original! 

I think I might have just described the indescribable

 

If roads were only meant to driven on only by people who own Rolls Royce or Bentley cars then there would be a lot less roads and very few people travelling. I enjoy seeing the occassional Rolls Royce and Bentley on the road but the C, D and E type Jaguar is still a joy to view, though the Chelsea tractors.......... I drive a clapped out mini metro so I would definitely have been excluded......but if you saw me drive that may have regarded as a blessing.    

[Chalky]

If you can't afford a Rolls Royce you don't buy a bootleg Roller do you.  You buy within your means and the same should apply to records, buy originals within your means. 

[John Parker]

DJ's played out-a-sites,disco demands and other boots at Blackpool this weekend for all to see on video so nowt prestigious really!?

Why???????????????

[gringo]

If you can't afford a Rolls Royce you don't buy a bootleg Roller do you.  You buy within your means and the same should apply to records, buy originals within your means. 

well said fella!

[John Parker]

If you can't afford a Rolls Royce you don't buy a bootleg Roller do you.  You buy within your means and the same should apply to records, buy originals within your means. 

Agree Chalky...would certainly be embarassed to be seen driving a "wannabe"Roller...unless I took it out at night...then again it is dark in those venues

[Ian Dewhirst]

If you can't afford a Rolls Royce you don't buy a bootleg Roller do you.  You buy within your means and the same should apply to records, buy originals within your means. 

 

Mmm. I wonder how many decent spots you'd get offered with 200 cheapies in your box?

 

It's pretty much all about the amount of disposable income one has to spend on records. Looking at current prices, to get a box full of decent originals probably wouldn't be far short of £20K and probably nearer £50K. Nice work if you can afford it.  

 

Ian D   

[Dave Rimmer]

Mmm. I wonder how many decent spots you'd get offered with 200 cheapies in your box?

 

It's pretty much all about the amount of disposable income one has to spend on records. Looking at current prices, to get a box full of decent originals probably wouldn't be far short of £20K and probably nearer £50K. Nice work if you can afford it.

 

Ian D   

 

And that's what decent DJs have been doing for the last twenty years, buying originals that mean they can do a good spot. The top DJs in the country haven't suddenly appeared from nowhere, they have spent years of time and hard earned money buying the records they use to DJ

 

What they haven't been doing is buying a box of bootlegs and claiming to be a DJ.

[Ian Dewhirst]

And that's what decent DJs have been doing for the last twenty years, buying originals that mean they can do a good spot. The top DJs in the country haven't suddenly appeared from nowhere, they have spent years of time and hard earned money buying the records they use to DJ

 

What they haven't been doing is buying a box of bootlegs and claiming to be a DJ.

 

Sure and more power to 'em but I don't think I'd cherish being a youngster getting into it today. I guess they won't be doing OVO oldies gigs anytime soon unless they have a few grand to spare? That might be a good thing actually. They'll probably be finding the future Top 500 on their own terms maybe..?

 

Ian D   

[Chalky]

Mmm. I wonder how many decent spots you'd get offered with 200 cheapies in your box?

 

It's pretty much all about the amount of disposable income one has to spend on records. Looking at current prices, to get a box full of decent originals probably wouldn't be far short of £20K and probably nearer £50K. Nice work if you can afford it.

 

Ian D   

 

Well thought out, with imagination and please the dancers then you could get plenty of spots.  Thing is there are enough Dj's with the big money rarities you don't need to go down the bootleg or reissue route.  Use them with a couple of upcoming youngsters who are doing it right with imagination and it can only be of benefit to the scene.  Variety is the spice of life so they say

[Winsford Soul]

You're right is not an original topic, it's a reissue topic

That's been booted about a bit

Steve

[Mellorful]

If you can't afford a Rolls Royce you don't buy a bootleg Roller do you.  You buy within your means and the same should apply to records, buy originals within your means. 

Hi Chalky

And was your first car purchase a Rolls Royce or Bentley (and I don't mean the matchbox type), or was it something a little more modest? That was the point I was making, most folk start with modest records. I don't advocate bootlegs (untaxed vehicle unless its for off road motoring), but I have no problem with reissues (taxed vehicle) and they don't need to be a Rolls Royce/Bentley standard.

Ian D pointed out the £50K reasonable cost of a bloody good DJ box; a lottery jackpot may be a route to joining the special vinyl club, but for most of us plebs  need to make do with some Grapevine issues for the really special tunes that would otherwise cost thousands and OVO for tunes that may cost from a fiver to a few hundred.  

Now mind how you drive your Chelsea tractor; I wouldn't like it to scratch the rust on my clapped out mini metro.

[Markw]

 

It's pretty much all about the amount of disposable income one has to spend on records. Looking at current prices, to get a box full of decent originals probably wouldn't be far short of £20K and probably nearer £50K. Nice work if you can afford it.

 

Ian D   

Sadly, whilst I acknowledge where you are coming from, this point of view epitomises what has gone wrong and why there is already an underground scene - and long may that last, long may it feed the media-hungry, nostalgia-driven, overground and commercial scene which now exists and has dominated this thread. There are many on this 'scene' who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

 

Your premise, Ian, is based on the presumption that said record box will by default be stuffed full of acknowledged, relatively high price 45s, probably known, tried-and-trusted to fill most dancefloors - Natural Four (on ABC), Seven Souls, Charades etc etc - we all know the score and we've all heard the same set over and over, ad nauseum at soul nights and niters the length and breadth of the UK. From a personal perspective and I suspect from the perspective of many on this thread, this is not how we see things. Many are interested in the DJ that will stand at the decks and champion a box load of carefully researched items which will not necessarily command 3 or 4 figure prices. All anyone with a limited budget and, more importantly, an open mind and a thirst for sounds new to their ears, needs to do is scour the sales pages on this site day-in, day-out. You will find many, many 45s with potential, many already known, but not widely so, ripe for activation or reactivation. The idea that a viable and attractive playbox needs to have a retail value running into tens of thousands of pounds is a myth. Every record played on this scene started life cheap until someone saw its potential.

[Mark R]

There are many on this 'scene' who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

 

I love that statement on so many levels!  It fits so many aspects of it all, and not just the specifics of this thread.

 

Well said that man!

 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

[Ian Dewhirst]

Sadly, whilst I acknowledge where you are coming from, this point of view epitomises what has gone wrong and why there is already an underground scene - and long may that last, long may it feed the media-hungry, nostalgia-driven, overground and commercial scene which now exists and has dominated this thread. There are many on this 'scene' who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Your premise, Ian, is based on the presumption that said record box will by default be stuffed full of acknowledged, relatively high price 45s, probably known, tried-and-trusted to fill most dancefloors - Natural Four (on ABC), Seven Souls, Charades etc etc - we all know the score and we've all heard the same set over and over, ad nauseum at soul nights and niters the length and breadth of the UK. From a personal perspective and I suspect from the perspective of many on this thread, this is not how we see things. Many are interested in the DJ that will stand at the decks and champion a box load of carefully researched items which will not necessarily command 3 or 4 figure prices. All anyone with a limited budget and, more importantly, an open mind and a thirst for sounds new to their ears, needs to do is scour the sales pages on this site day-in, day-out. You will find many, many 45s with potential, many already known, but not widely so, ripe for activation or reactivation. The idea that a viable and attractive playbox needs to have a retail value running into tens of thousands of pounds is a myth. Every record played on this scene started life cheap until someone saw its potential.

I agree. I wasn't referring to the 'underplayed newies' scene but rather the regular oldies scene. The point I was trying to make is that OVO on the regular oldies scene is an expensive proposition for an oldies hotbox, if you see what I mean.

Ian D

Edited November 18, 2014 by Ian Dewhirst

[Raremusicdirect]

And that's what decent DJs have been doing for the last twenty years, buying originals that mean they can do a good spot. The top DJs in the country haven't suddenly appeared from nowhere, they have spent years of time and hard earned money buying the records they use to DJ

 

What they haven't been doing is buying a box of bootlegs and claiming to be a DJ.

 

I agree with this Dave and think its easily forgotten.  Its hard work trading up, saving up and then finding and acquiring they tracks you love.............labour of love of course but still ............

[Guest Juniorsoul]

I saw a DJ play a copy of Dobie Gray - Out On The Floor on Black Magic.
My first, and last time at Blackpool.