Popular Post Dave Thorley Posted November 5, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2014 Last week I at long last got to meet the elusive Garrett Tilford aka Tim Mungford aka Abul-rahman Al-qahhar Ibn-Duriyah, the man behind the amazing 'I'm leaving you' & 'Stop him girl'. Like many I have always wondered why a Louisville group would call themselves Detroit Sounds Of Friction. Well it transpires that the group was originally from Detroit, but never recorded anything there. By the time this was recorded none of the original members remained. Both sides were recorded in Louisville and used all local musicians and singers for the tracks. Garrett started life studying classical music and played in the U.S. Army orchestra and band playing flute. After leaving he played with several jazz greats including Bobbi Humphrey. He join DSOF in Detroit but the band was short lived and started to fall apart, he moved back to his home town of Louisville, keeping the name. Garrett plays flute, key boards and drums on the tracks. In recent years he has struggler with health issues and more recently has found Islam and changed his name. Louisville is and was a very tight little musical community, many bands and records from there share connections through musicians including, The Fabulous Moonlighters, Nite-Liters, New Birth, Baby Leon Northern, DeBow, Cliff Butler, Jerry Green, The Heartbreakers and Mind Liberators to name a few. 1 17 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Thx dave, as usual great research on the artists and interesting stuff! Thx for sharring! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted November 5, 2014 Author Share Posted November 5, 2014 As an added aside The Fabulous Moonlighters regularly played in Indianapolis at the Blue Eagle club, where Jimi Hendrix would sit in with them and play. Hence the label name for some of their releases. When they disbanded some of them went on to form The Nite-Liters with Harvey Fuqua Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Ivor Jones Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Wow.... Nice one Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Still Diggin Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 GREAT STUFF. I take it they just sold it local and that was it. Was there a follow up in the can? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Great story Dave. Well tracked down. Not sure if I've heard this played out. Which DJ's are spinning it? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Lovemusic Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 The question is, does he have the master tapes and is there a chance it might get a re-issue? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 He no longer has the master, but a re-issue could be done from a clean copy. Was originally played in the early 80's when John Anderson found a bunch in a Louisville distributor he bought out. Was first played by Arthur Fenn, then at Stafford and other venues of the time. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Searling also had a copy, Soul Bowl sold it around the time you sold up had it on the list for 150 quid along with the Combinations on Kimtone and Rosie Jones on Wicket. what year was that Dave? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) I sold all that stuff around 87, Ted Edited November 6, 2014 by Dave Thorley 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Christ 27 years Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 Christ 27 years I know Ted, where has all that time gone. I remember putting on the list that many of the things for sale were rare and would continue to be, how true that turned out to be. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Becket Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Great story Dave. Well tracked down. Not sure if I've heard this played out. Which DJ's are spinning it? Played out by Carl & Maria Willingham. Cheers............ Tom. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Awake 502 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Searling also had a copy, Soul Bowl sold it around the time you sold up had it on the list for 150 quid along with the Combinations on Kimtone and Rosie Jones on Wicket. what year was that Dave? I remember being down at Soul Bowl and saw the record on a pile as it was on the weekly list for the next day. John wouldn't sell it me that day, so made sure I was first on the phone the following day.. £12.00.... Played it at Cleethorpes etc but never really took offin the early 80's... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
DtheD Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 So were they all white Dave? and was he trying to sound like Jerry Butler! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Arthur Fenn Posted November 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2014 Pokes old Mel Britt c/up from 77/78. Soul bowl had a handful shortly after at £25 each & i had 2, always remember Richard complaining to me at Snaith that John should have sold it to him first , ive only ever found it in the states the one time & that was at the wonderful John Hillyards for $2 . Ive played it on & off since then but thankfully its never gone viral 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ncfc Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Pokes old Mel Britt c/up from 77/78. Soul bowl had a handful shortly after at £25 each & i had 2, always remember Richard complaining to me at Snaith that John should have sold it to him first , ive only ever found it in the states the one time & that was at the wonderful John Hillyards for $2 . Ive played it on & off since then but thankfully its never gone viral Hi Arthur bought mine on the back of you playing it though it took a few years to get one!!! £60 from memory. Must be over or around 25 years ago. ATB Chris. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 AS I SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, THIS WAS A ALL BLACK GROUP. DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS WHITE GROUP THEORY CAME FROM, BUT IT HAS BE MISLEADING PEOPLE FOR YEARS 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
DtheD Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 AS I SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, THIS WAS A ALL BLACK GROUP. DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS WHITE GROUP THEORY CAME FROM, BUT IT HAS BE MISLEADING PEOPLE FOR YEARS Another one of those rumours that repeated often enough becomes 'fact' I guess.... Have to say I was always convinced he was a black singer.... 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 White group? Another false story from the sage of norman soul ….he who knows everything, well so he thinks 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Someone told me that Garland Green was believed to be the lead singer.? Another rumour.? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Arthur Fenn Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 always thought the lead vocal was familiar & totally wonderful even when the "its a white record" theory appeared in the 80's. Agree with Kev, it does sound like Garland's rich brilliant tones Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 The lead singer was from Louisville and when the name was mentioned, they other local musicians nodded and mumbled in a knowing fashion, but I've forgotten his name. But will find out again. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Glynthornhill Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Buddy Rogers Jarret is the vocalist on the track Dave. Resides in Memphis , Tennessee but Abul been unable to locate him . 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 Buddy Rogers Jarret is the vocalist on the track Dave. Resides in Memphis , Tennessee but Abul been unable to locate him . Yep just got the same from Abul this morning. He tells me they went on to working with Al Green's band. It's seems that Buddy was the main vocalist on the tracks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim Elliott Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 The best record Jerry Butler " never made" ;) Jim 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 (edited) I have just found this thread as I am doing some work on lamp etc I can tell you that in the Indianapolis Star they reported the sad passing of Herbert Williams Gibbs, Iii 18 Aug 2021 — Louisville, KY – 78, Louisville, KY. Passed away on August 5, 2021. Herb was most remembered as the band leader and drummer of The Fabulous Moonlighters On 11/11/2014 at 10:56, Dave Thorley said: Yep just got the same from Abul this morning. He tells me they went on to working with Al Green's band. It's seems that Buddy was the main vocalist on the tracks Edited December 25, 2021 by Blackpoolsoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 (edited) There is also another connected to the band, the passing of William Edward "Roach" Cochrum 79, of Louisville died Monday, July 9, 2018. He was an accomplished musician until he became ill. He was the guitarist on a tune most soul people will know Edited December 25, 2021 by Blackpoolsoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 what happened to the original story text? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 56 minutes ago, Chalky said: what happened to the original story text? That's a very good question as Dave (3rd paragraph down) went into The Fabulous Moonlighters and I wanted to add to it rather than start a new thread. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Chalky said: what happened to the original story text? 2 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: That's a very good question as Dave (3rd paragraph down) went into The Fabulous Moonlighters and I wanted to add to it rather than start a new thread. if ya ever see or think ought is wrong with any post all ya need to do is flag it it so we aware and we can then have a look in this case somethings up with the youtube embedding - have put a temp fix, will look deeper after the weekend Quote Last week I at long last got to meet the elusive Garrett Tilford aka Tim Mungford aka Abul-rahman Al-qahhar Ibn-Duriyah, the man behind the amazing 'I'm leaving you' & 'Stop him girl'. Like many I have always wondered why a Louisville group would call themselves Detroit Sounds Of Friction. Well it transpires that the group was originally from Detroit, but never recorded anything there. By the time this was recorded none of the original members remained. Both sides were recorded in Louisville and used all local musicians and singers for the tracks. Garrett started life studying classical music and played in the U.S. Army orchestra and band playing flute. After leaving he played with several jazz greats including Bobbi Humphrey. He join DSOF in Detroit but the band was short lived and started to fall apart, he moved back to his home town of Louisville, keeping the name. Garrett plays flute, key boards and drums on the tracks. In recent years he has struggler with health issues and more recently has found Islam and changed his name. Louisville is and was a very tight little musical community, many bands and records from there share connections through musicians including, The Fabulous Moonlighters, Nite-Liters, New Birth, Baby Leon Northern, DeBow, Cliff Butler, Jerry Green, The Heartbreakers and Mind Liberators to name a few. 1 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kenb Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Their 45 has come up for sale again (Aug 2023) on Rare Norther Soul.com and it reminded of this Dave Thorley OP/thread which… …Prompted me to add an unknown (or perhaps not widely known) Footnote on DSoF. In July 1971 a three-car wreck near Carmi Illinois on route South to Paducah on US460 saw 5 members of a band injured and 1 member killed. The injured band members were Buddy Jarrett, William McBroom, Nathan Trabue, Aaron Purdie and Mike Baker. The band member killed in the accident was 20year old Gilespie Taylor, member & manager of DSoF. It’s possible by this time the Detroit part of DSoF had been dropped for just Sound of Fiction. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markmodern Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Isn’t there a reissue of this from a couple of years ago on Crates of Soul records Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kenb Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 yes...you'll fall over that version if you do a discogs search Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 How rare is this? Does anyone remember this being played out in public? would be interesting to know who owns the six copies! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 32 minutes ago, Frankie Crocker said: How rare is this? Does anyone remember this being played out in public? would be interesting to know who owns the six copies! Had it in early 90's. Found it in N.O. for $3. Played it out once or twice maybe but then I don't dj really. Just local dos. Swapped I think with Dave Ripoles. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Corbett80 Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 I’ve heard this played out loads of times over the years at rare soul events. Still a great record and another classic Arthur 45 (as i know it to be). cheers 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tlscapital Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said: How rare is this? Does anyone remember this being played out in public? would be interesting to know who owns the six copies! Six times ten at least ! That rare... Although demand is high and the record is good to better depending on how you like or need it. But never that rare. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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