Detroit Sounds Of Friction

[Dave Thorley]

 

 

Last week I at long last got to meet the elusive Garrett Tilford aka Tim Mungford aka Abul-rahman Al-qahhar Ibn-Duriyah, the man behind the amazing 'I'm leaving you' & 'Stop him girl'.

Like many I have always wondered why a Louisville group would call themselves Detroit Sounds Of Friction. Well it transpires that the group was originally from Detroit, but never recorded anything there. By the time this was recorded none of the original members remained. Both sides were recorded in Louisville and used all local musicians and singers for the tracks.

 

Garrett started life studying classical music and played in the U.S. Army orchestra and band playing flute. After leaving he played with several jazz greats including Bobbi Humphrey. He join DSOF in Detroit but the band was short lived and started to fall apart, he moved back to his home town of Louisville, keeping the name. Garrett plays flute, key boards and drums on the tracks.

 

In recent years he has struggler with health issues and more recently has found Islam and changed his name.

 

Louisville is and was a very tight little musical community, many bands and records from there share connections through musicians including, The Fabulous Moonlighters, Nite-Liters, New Birth, Baby Leon Northern, DeBow, Cliff Butler, Jerry Green, The Heartbreakers and Mind Liberators to name a few.

 

[Guest]

Thx dave, as usual great research on the artists and interesting stuff! 

 

Thx for sharring!

[Dave Thorley]

As an added aside The Fabulous Moonlighters regularly played in Indianapolis at the Blue Eagle club, where Jimi Hendrix would sit in with them and play. Hence the label name for some of their releases. When they disbanded some of them went on to form The Nite-Liters with Harvey Fuqua

[Guest Ivor Jones]

Wow.... Nice one Dave

[Still Diggin]

GREAT STUFF. I take it they just sold it local and that was it. Was there a follow up in the can?

[Frankie Crocker]

Great story Dave. Well tracked down. Not sure if I've heard this played out. Which DJ's are spinning it?

[Lovemusic]

The question is, does he have the master tapes and is there a chance it might get a re-issue?

[Dave Thorley]

He no longer has the master, but a re-issue could be done from a clean copy. Was originally played in the early 80's when John Anderson found a bunch in a Louisville distributor he bought out. Was first played by Arthur Fenn, then at Stafford and other venues of the time.

[Ted Massey]

Searling also had a copy, Soul Bowl sold it around the time you sold up had it on the list for 150 quid along with the Combinations on Kimtone and Rosie Jones on Wicket. what year was that Dave?

[Dave Thorley]

I sold all that stuff around 87, Ted

Edited November 6, 2014 by Dave Thorley

[Ted Massey]

Christ 27 years

[Dave Thorley]

Christ 27 years

 

 

I know Ted, where has all that time gone. I remember putting on the list that many of the things for sale were rare and would continue to be, how true that turned out to be.

[Becket]

Great story Dave. Well tracked down. Not sure if I've heard this played out. Which DJ's are spinning it?

 

Played out by Carl & Maria Willingham.

 

 

Cheers............          Tom.

[Guest Awake 502]

Searling also had a copy, Soul Bowl sold it around the time you sold up had it on the list for 150 quid along with the Combinations on Kimtone and Rosie Jones on Wicket. what year was that Dave?

 

I remember being down at Soul Bowl and saw the record on a pile as it was on the weekly list for the next day. John wouldn't sell it me that day, so made sure I was first on the phone the following day..    £12.00....  Played it at Cleethorpes etc but never really took offin the early 80's...

[DtheD]

So were they all white Dave? and was he trying to sound like Jerry Butler!

[Arthur Fenn]

Pokes old Mel Britt c/up from 77/78.  Soul bowl had a handful shortly after at £25 each & i had 2, always remember Richard complaining to me at Snaith that John should have sold it to him first   , ive only ever found it in the states the one time & that was at the wonderful John Hillyards for $2 . Ive played it on & off since then but thankfully its never gone viral 

[Ncfc]

Pokes old Mel Britt c/up from 77/78. Soul bowl had a handful shortly after at £25 each & i had 2, always remember Richard complaining to me at Snaith that John should have sold it to him first , ive only ever found it in the states the one time & that was at the wonderful John Hillyards for $2 . Ive played it on & off since then but thankfully its never gone viral

Hi Arthur bought mine on the back of you playing it though it took a few years to get one!!! £60 from memory.

Must be over or around 25 years ago.

ATB Chris.

[Dave Thorley]

AS I SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, THIS WAS A ALL BLACK GROUP. DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS WHITE GROUP THEORY CAME FROM, BUT IT HAS BE MISLEADING PEOPLE FOR YEARS

[DtheD]

AS I SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, THIS WAS A ALL BLACK GROUP. DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS WHITE GROUP THEORY CAME FROM, BUT IT HAS BE MISLEADING PEOPLE FOR YEARS

 

Another one of those rumours that repeated often enough becomes 'fact' I guess.... Have to say I was always convinced he was a black singer....

[Steve G]

White group? Another false story from the sage of norman soul  ….he who knows everything, well so he thinks 

[KevH]

Someone told me that Garland Green was believed to be the lead singer.? Another rumour.?

[Arthur Fenn]

always thought the lead vocal was familiar & totally wonderful even when the "its a white record" theory appeared in the 80's. Agree with Kev, it does sound like Garland's rich brilliant tones

[Dave Thorley]

The lead singer was from Louisville and when the name was mentioned, they other local musicians nodded and mumbled in a knowing fashion, but I've forgotten his name. But will find out again. 

[Glynthornhill]

Buddy Rogers Jarret is the vocalist on the track Dave.

 

Resides in Memphis , Tennessee but Abul been unable to locate him .

[Dave Thorley]

Buddy Rogers Jarret is the vocalist on the track Dave.

 

Resides in Memphis , Tennessee but Abul been unable to locate him .

 

 

Yep just got the same from Abul this morning. He tells me they went on to working with Al Green's band. It's seems that Buddy was the main vocalist on the tracks

[Jim Elliott]

The best record Jerry Butler " never made"

;)

Jim

[Blackpoolsoul]

I have just found this thread as I am doing some work on lamp etc

I can tell you that in the Indianapolis Star they reported the sad passing of Herbert Williams Gibbs, Iii 

18 Aug 2021 — Louisville, KY – 78, Louisville, KY. Passed away on August 5, 2021. Herb was most remembered as the band leader and drummer of The Fabulous Moonlighters

On 11/11/2014 at 10:56, Dave Thorley said:

 

 

Yep just got the same from Abul this morning. He tells me they went on to working with Al Green's band. It's seems that Buddy was the main vocalist on the tracks

 

Edited December 25, 2021 by Blackpoolsoul

[Blackpoolsoul]

There is also another connected to the band, the passing of William Edward "Roach" Cochrum 79, of Louisville died Monday, July 9, 2018.

He was an accomplished musician until he became ill.

He was the guitarist on a tune most soul people will know

 

Edited December 25, 2021 by Blackpoolsoul

[Chalky]

what happened to the original story text?

[Blackpoolsoul]

56 minutes ago, Chalky said:

what happened to the original story text?

That's a very good question as Dave (3rd paragraph down) went into The Fabulous Moonlighters and I wanted to add to it rather than start a new thread.

 

[Mike]

3 hours ago, Chalky said:

what happened to the original story text?

 

2 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

That's a very good question as Dave (3rd paragraph down) went into The Fabulous Moonlighters and I wanted to add to it rather than start a new thread.

 

if ya ever see or think ought is wrong with any post all ya need to do is flag it it so we  aware and we can then have a look

 

in this case somethings up with the youtube embedding - have put a temp fix, will look deeper after the weekend

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Last week I at long last got to meet the elusive Garrett Tilford aka Tim Mungford aka Abul-rahman Al-qahhar Ibn-Duriyah, the man behind the amazing 'I'm leaving you' & 'Stop him girl'.

Like many I have always wondered why a Louisville group would call themselves Detroit Sounds Of Friction. Well it transpires that the group was originally from Detroit, but never recorded anything there. By the time this was recorded none of the original members remained. Both sides were recorded in Louisville and used all local musicians and singers for the tracks.

 

Garrett started life studying classical music and played in the U.S. Army orchestra and band playing flute. After leaving he played with several jazz greats including Bobbi Humphrey. He join DSOF in Detroit but the band was short lived and started to fall apart, he moved back to his home town of Louisville, keeping the name. Garrett plays flute, key boards and drums on the tracks.

 

In recent years he has struggler with health issues and more recently has found Islam and changed his name.

 

Louisville is and was a very tight little musical community, many bands and records from there share connections through musicians including, The Fabulous Moonlighters, Nite-Liters, New Birth, Baby Leon Northern, DeBow, Cliff Butler, Jerry Green, The Heartbreakers and Mind Liberators to name a few.

 

 

[Kenb]

Their 45 has come up for sale again (Aug 2023) on Rare Norther Soul.com and it reminded of this Dave Thorley OP/thread which…

…Prompted me to add an unknown (or perhaps not widely known) Footnote on DSoF.

In July 1971 a three-car wreck near Carmi Illinois on route South to Paducah on US460 saw 5 members of a band injured and 1 member killed. The injured band members were Buddy Jarrett, William McBroom, Nathan Trabue, Aaron Purdie and Mike Baker. The band member killed in the accident was 20year old Gilespie Taylor, member & manager of DSoF.

It’s possible by this time the Detroit part of DSoF had been dropped for just Sound of Fiction.

[Markmodern]

Isn’t there a reissue of this from a couple of years ago on Crates of Soul records

[Kenb]

yes...you'll fall over that version if you do a discogs search

[Frankie Crocker]

How rare is this? Does anyone remember this being played out in public? would be interesting to know who owns the six copies!

[Modernsoulsucks]

32 minutes ago, Frankie Crocker said:

How rare is this? Does anyone remember this being played out in public? would be interesting to know who owns the six copies!

Had it in early 90's. Found it in N.O. for $3. Played it out once or twice maybe but then I don't dj really. Just local dos.

Swapped I think with Dave Ripoles.

[Corbett80]

I’ve heard this played out loads of times over the years at rare soul events. Still a great record and another classic Arthur 45  (as i know it to be).

 

cheers

 

[Tlscapital]

2 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said:

How rare is this? Does anyone remember this being played out in public? would be interesting to know who owns the six copies!

Six times ten at least ! That rare... Although demand is high and the record is good to better depending on how you like or need it. But never that rare.