Tubbs Posted November 5, 2004 Posted November 5, 2004 Are the white demo boots of Bobby Sheen something new to do all on see through vinyl? just got a copy through and this looks to new. The copy i got is not see through vinyl. Are there any other differences in label design etc? Tubbs
Rotherham Soul Posted November 5, 2004 Posted November 5, 2004 I think there are 2 different boots of this Mine is the first one .See thru vinyl and the label is a straightfoward copy The other ones came out at the same time as a batch of other look-alikes (Narbay, Holly St. James, Patrice Hollaway etc)
Guest Awake 502 Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 (edited) Are the white demo boots of Bobby Sheen something new to do all on see through vinyl? just got a copy through and this looks to new. The copy i got is not see through vinyl. Are there any other differences in label design etc? Tubbs link Easiest way is on the boot "Something new to do" has two stars on the label showing it is the A-side. On the original the two stars are on " I may not be what you want" as this is the proper A-side. Edited November 12, 2004 by Awake 502
Guest Johnny One Trout Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 Got a proper one of these for sale if anyone is interested
pikeys dog Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 Buy an issue and you'll have none of the headache...... WOOF! 2
Pete S Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 I've got an issue if anyone wants it. Manships latest price for an issue is £150 I'd be 50 quid cheaper than that, how do these people get away with it?
MarkWhiteley Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 These people? There is one... and he goes by the name of :angry:
Guest micksmith Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 I've got an issue if anyone wants it. Manships latest price for an issue is £150 I'd be 50 quid cheaper than that, how do these people get away with it? link JUST SOLD AN ISSUE FOR £60.00.
pikeys dog Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 JUST SOLD AN ISSUE FOR £60.00. link Sounds fair..... was £30 ten years ago....... WOOF!
Simon T Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 Sounds fair..... was £30 ten years ago....... WOOF! link The funny thing is that many years ago Manship used to have a cheap section on his lists where "I may not be want you want" was always there at £1.50! It never seemd to sell. PS at the time, other none sellers were: Ray Pollard -This Time was £15 Jimmy BO Horne - Speak was £40 PSS turned down Lary Clinton @ £75 & Arin Demain @£50 too dear, F***.............. I could only afford Holly St James @£10 & James Fountain @ £3
Guest micksmith Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 The funny thing is that many years ago Manship used to have a cheap section on his lists where "I may not be want you want" was always there at £1.50! It never seemd to sell. PS at the time, other none sellers were: Ray Pollard -This Time was £15 Jimmy BO Horne - Speak was £40 PSS turned down Lary Clinton @ £75 & Arin Demain @£50 too dear, F***.............. I could only afford Holly St James @£10 & James Fountain @ £3 link IT'S HAPPENED TO US ALL. I COULDN'T AFFORD LESTER TIPTON-£45.00 AND FRANK WILSON-£300.00. I THINK THAT MOTHER F----ER WILL HAUNT ME TILL MY GRAVE.
Tubbs Posted November 13, 2004 Author Posted November 13, 2004 (edited) here's one that looks like mine which sold on ebay for $150+. No mention in description if it's a boot. Now confused anybody else throw any light on the matter. Edited November 13, 2004 by tubbs
Guest Awake 502 Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 (edited) here's one that looks like mine which sold on ebay for $150+. No mention in description if it's a boot. Now confused anybody else throw any light on the matter. link As per my earlier post... The one you show is a boot, the original does not have the two stars on the "something new to do" side as this is the original b-side..... wakey wakey.... Edited November 13, 2004 by Awake 502
Tubbs Posted November 13, 2004 Author Posted November 13, 2004 yeah i did see your post but i emailed the guy who was selling on ebay and he said that it was an original. So at the moment it's one saying its a boot and one saying it's an original. 1
vaultofsouler Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 yeah i did see your post but i emailed the guy who was selling on ebay and he said that it was an original. So at the moment it's one saying its a boot and one saying it's an original. link All I can add to this is the seller will say that won't he.... but it's up to you if you go ahead and buy the record.... I'm sure Awake 502 is 100% correct though.... easiest way to make sure is what been mentioned before.... get an issue not a DJ copy.... although they're more pricey.... If when you get it you find out it's a boot.... well you wouldn't be the first to have bought what you thought or was told was an original....
Chalky Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 The originals also have a sharp edge to the disc, on the boots the edge is blunt.
vaultofsouler Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 The originals also have a sharp edge to the disc, on the boots the edge is blunt. link What do you think will be the seller's answer to that question though Chalkster .... P.S. if you make your new avatar a bit bigger we might just be able to read the writing ....
Tubbs Posted November 13, 2004 Author Posted November 13, 2004 i didn't win the auction i never emailed the guy until the auction finished. So he's not trying to conn me
Chalky Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 (edited) What do you think will be the seller's answer to that question though Chalkster .... P.S. if you make your new avatar a bit bigger we might just be able to read the writing  .... link Probably "Ouch I've just cut me f****** finger" As for avatar it's the max size. The writing says Bro spent a most delightful birthday chillin' with his bitches. Edited November 13, 2004 by chalky
vaultofsouler Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 (edited) i didn't win the auction i never emailed the guy until the auction finished. So he's not trying to conn me link Confused a bit here .... is that because the "winner" pulled out for "some reason".... or did it have a "ridiculously" high reserve....????.... P.S. can you be sure he's not trying to con you ? do you know him personally ? Edited November 13, 2004 by vaultofsouler
Tubbs Posted November 13, 2004 Author Posted November 13, 2004 i bought the 45 froma diff seller but noticed the one on ebay so asked the seller of that one whether it was an original as it had the 2 stars on something new side like mine. the guy sold the one on ebay for $152 and it din't have a reserve on it. 3 people bid on it one bidding $100 one at $151 and the winner at $152. So thats 2 people bidding who obviously thought it an original and the seller as well
vaultofsouler Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 i bought the 45 froma diff seller but noticed the one on ebay so asked the seller of that one whether it was an original as it had the 2 stars on something new side like mine. the guy sold the one on ebay for $152 and it din't have a reserve on it. 3 people bid on it one bidding $100 one at $151 and the winner at $152. So thats 2 people bidding who obviously thought it an original and the seller as well link The words "thought it an original" say it all tubbs.... not everyone is aware of every detail regarding original/boot differences I would suggest.... you learn as you go along over the years.... It's like a guy I know who showed me and a mate his newly purchased white dj copy of The Carstairs.... straight away we said it was a boot as it had "sterling" scratched into the run out grooves and not stamped.... he also said the seller (well known) insisted it was an original on an enquiry.... now was the seller "conning" or was the seller "unaware".... I'll leave that one with you ....
Guest Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 tubbs, I think I got one like yours. Mine came from a very well known dealer about 8/10 years ago. stars on the something side, not on see through vinyl etc. In the run out its got WB-7662 QAL-0078-DJ 1B on both sides. In my youthfull innocence I was just pleased to get it as I assumed everything I was getting via the major dealers were originals (never had any doubts on any other purchases though)...guess this don't help you much but you live and learn...
Guest Adam G Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 The originals also have a sharp edge to the disc, on the boots the edge is blunt. link I thought this as well .But it seems my dj copy which has a sharp edge has the stars on the "Something" side.I got this off the bay years ago in a batch I got for around $30 of mixed stuff from a US seller.Is the two stars deffo on all demos and did they all come from the same press plant.Mine doesnt have any stamps in the run out groove. Adam
Chalky Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 (edited) Maybe the ones with the stars on the SNTD side are legit re-press from WB after hearing of the popularity. Personally would go for the one with the stars on the legit "A" side...or the issue Edited November 13, 2004 by chalky
Tubbs Posted November 13, 2004 Author Posted November 13, 2004 just been on Manships website and read in there that boots were see through vinyl when held up to light. said originals had matrix number wb-7662 qal-0078-dj 1b which mine has. No mention of what side stars are meant to be on. Somebody must have a definate answer on this. It's starting to do my fucking head in.
soulmac Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 (edited) Tubbs Don't know if this will help. On the issue the stamped matrix numbers are IMNBWYW side QAL 0077 - 1E SNTD side QAL 0078 - 1E On the white demos why would it have the same matrix on both sides. soulmac. Edited November 14, 2004 by soulmac
soulmac Posted November 14, 2004 Posted November 14, 2004 (edited) Tubbs Dug out another Warner Bros white demo. Gerald Sims - You'll Never Be Sorry / Rocket. On this the matrix numbers are scatched in. YNBS side is WB - 7680 QIL - 0016 - S 1B. (Stars on this label). Rocket side is WB - 7680 QIL - 0017 - S 1A. Same question again, why are the matrix numbers the same on both sides of Bobby Sheen. Anybody out there got a white demo of Bobby Sheen with a different matrix number on each side. soulmac. Edited November 14, 2004 by soulmac
soulAdequateNP Posted November 14, 2004 Posted November 14, 2004 Anybody out there got a white demo of Bobby Sheen with a different matrix number on each side. soulmac. link Yes, on mine "Something..." is QAL-0078-DJ 1B and "I May..." is QAL-0077-DJ 1A. And just to confuse things even further it has the stars on "Something..." but has a sharp edge - and looks and feels as though it was pressed in 1972.
soulmac Posted November 14, 2004 Posted November 14, 2004 (edited) It's starting to do my fucking head in. This just gets better. How's your head now Tubbs soulmac. Edited November 14, 2004 by soulmac
Tubbs Posted November 14, 2004 Author Posted November 14, 2004 matrix number on mine is the same as soul adequate. Now this is where it should be simple to work out as imnbwyw side has 1a which would indicate a side and sntd has 1b on dead wax which would indicate b side but all copies people say they have bar one have 2 stars on imnbwyw side. John your gerald sims demo has stars on the side that has 1b on not 1a. I don't have any more warner bros white demos of this design to check whether stars are on 1a or 1b. Confused yet ? Too fucking right :diablo:
Tubbs Posted November 14, 2004 Author Posted November 14, 2004 John my issue doesn't have the same matrix numbers as your's on Bobby Sheen mine has qal0077s-1a and qal0078s-1b
Guest Adam G Posted November 14, 2004 Posted November 14, 2004 Yes, on mine "Something..." is QAL-0078-DJ 1B and "I May..." is QAL-0077-DJ 1A. And just to confuse things even further it has the stars on "Something..." but has a sharp edge - and looks and feels as though it was pressed in 1972. link Hi my copy has sharp edges and has scratched in dead wax on the "Something" side=QAL-0078-DJ-1B (with the stars on this side) "I may Not"=QAL-007-DJ-1B. Which seem different to others Its very confusing though all the people who have seen it say its original?.
Simon T Posted November 14, 2004 Posted November 14, 2004 John my issue doesn't have the same matrix numbers as your's on Bobby Sheen mine has qal0077s-1a and qal0078s-1b link My issue (on styrene) is QAL 0077S - 1A IMNBWYW QAL 0078S -1A SNTD The higher number is almost always the B side of records. No idae why they both are followed by 1A, unless it tell you what pressing run it was, this being the first and 1E mentioned above is the 5th???
Guest Dan Posted November 14, 2004 Posted November 14, 2004 (edited) I found my copy in the basement of George's Song Shop in Johnstown PA in about 1986, on a trip with my mate Dave. It was in both our top 5s of that time (still one of my all-time favourite songs) and we obviously couldn't believe it when I pulled a copy out. He loved it just a bit more than me so I let him have it...then found another half an hour later. Very happy days. Mine (scan attached - with 'slt lbl dmg') has the stars on the SNTD side, has different matrix numbers (WB-7662 QAL-0078-DJ 1B on SNTD, WB-7662 QAL-0077-DJ 1B on IMNBWYW and an edge I wouldn't characterise as either particularly sharp or blunt! It MUST be a proper one, though, given where and how it was found. Are we sure that SNTD isn't the proper A side anyway?? Edited November 14, 2004 by Dan
Guest Adam G Posted November 14, 2004 Posted November 14, 2004 I found my copy in the basement of George's Song Shop in Johnstown PA in about 1986, on a trip with my mate Dave. It was in both our top 5s of that time (still one of my all-time favourite songs) and we obviously couldn't believe it when I pulled a copy out. He loved it just a bit more than me so I let him have it...then found another half an hour later. Very happy days. Mine (scan attached - with 'slt lbl dmg') has the stars on the SNTD side, has different matrix numbers (WB-7662 QAL-0078-DJ 1B on SNTD, WB-7662 QAL-0077-DJ 1B on IMNBWYW and an edge I wouldn't characterise as either particularly sharp or blunt! It MUST be a proper one, though, given where and how it was found. Are we sure that SNTD isn't the proper A side anyway?? link Yours is same as mine Dan Im in agreement that its original.I dont know where the stars on which side denotes a boot comes from though you would think it would be in Manships boot guide as well as the see through vinyl.May be just a different press. Adam
Guest Posted November 14, 2004 Posted November 14, 2004 I just rechecked mine and I got it wrong (too much Bishops Finger!!!!!) Same in every way to Dan's and Adam's (stars, matrix etc)....where does this leave us?
soulmac Posted November 15, 2004 Posted November 15, 2004 Now we need someone with a see through boot to tell us what's in the runout. soulmac.
Chalky Posted November 15, 2004 Posted November 15, 2004 Was at Andy Dysons yesterday his has the stars on the IMNBWYW side
Tubbs Posted November 15, 2004 Author Posted November 15, 2004 asked John Manship he says boots are see through
Tubbs Posted November 15, 2004 Author Posted November 15, 2004 don't know what the score is but would agree with Dan given where and when he found his copy and stars being on sntd side can't see them being a boot. Sometimes 45s were put out, the a side flopped dj's played the flip instead as it was better. So maybe warner bros decided to change Sntd to the a side after dj's feedback.
Guest Dan Posted November 15, 2004 Posted November 15, 2004 I just rechecked mine and I got it wrong (too much Bishops Finger!!!!!) Same in every way to Dan's and Adam's (stars, matrix etc)....where does this leave us? link There's no such thing as too much Bishops Finger. However, it gets knocked into a cocked hat by Marstons Strong Pale Ale. Better than The Imperial Cs. Sorry, bit off topic.
Pete S Posted November 15, 2004 Posted November 15, 2004 What puzzles me is why anyone would actually want to buy this appalling record
Paul R Posted November 15, 2004 Posted November 15, 2004 I wouldn't have thought it was worh very much, as every man and his dog appears to have a copy!
Guest Jamie Posted November 15, 2004 Posted November 15, 2004 Got to say IMNBWYW is oft overlooked for the more obvious side. If anyone reading this has it & not played it, I suggest you give it a whirl. Lovely it is, just lovely. Jamie
Rotherham Soul Posted November 15, 2004 Posted November 15, 2004 Now we need someone with a see through boot to tell us what's in the runout. soulmac. link matrix No. scratched in run-out SNTD WB 7662 QAL 0078 DJ 1B and then what looks like ICE IMNBWYW WB 7662 QAL 0077 DJ 1A any wiser ?
Northern Soul Uk Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Just bought a copy of this on Demo. The stars are on the SNTD side. I have also checked 2 other WB US Demos that I have, Mystic moods - Astral trip (stars on Astral Trip - A side) and Apollas - Mr Creator (stars on Mr Creator - A side). On 45cat in the WB Discography, it shows 'SNTD' listed as the 'A' side and 'IMNBWYW' as the 'B'? Just thought I'd add my two penneth!
Guest Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Yours is same as mine Dan Im in agreement that its original.I dont know where the stars on which side denotes a boot comes from though you would think it would be in Manships boot guide as well as the see through vinyl.May be just a different press. Adam The original was pressed at least two different pressing plants.
Tony A Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 Stars on mine are as follows, No help I know, Will have a pike at the matrix on my issue as well later and compare the two.
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