Hamilton Movement "she's Gone"

[NEV]

its a bloody good record..not sure about the price tag tho..karls copy is about right at the moment.... that ebay copy was just outrageous

Be interesting to see how the other copy fairs though?

[Bazza]

I know we all branch off with different tastes, but i find it mind boggling that people on a soul forum could call this record crap.

I thought it would be one of the undisputables. Forget northern soul and all the sub-genres, forget soul even....

just as a piece of music, a piece of pop music even, it's just a masterpiece isn't it?

A  masterpiece ,you must be joking ,its a very average ordinary record ,if it wasn't rare I wouldn't even give you a fiver for it 

 

Bazza 

[Kjw]

A  masterpiece ,you must be joking ,its a very average ordinary record ,if it wasn't rare I wouldn't even give you a fiver for it 

 

Bazza 

 

Your ears are on the wrong way round Bazza

[Chalky]

Well how can you say half the records played at Wigan were crap if you didn't go?  How do you know they were played there?  By all means say a record is crap but don't try and tarnish it with the old Wigan brush.  Do you want me to go to a venue where this Hamilton Movement is playing just so I can come home and say, yep, still crap?

 

 

Maybe as many good as bad was off the mark but from what I do know are Wigan records, there is many that are extremely poor, many that haven't stood the test of time BUT I could say that about other eras as well.  Younonly have to look at the vast number of records played in the past and how many most DJ's rely on to satisfy the dancers, a small percentage when analysed.  The point I was trying to make is when you are attempting to be ground breaking dross is going to get played, Mecca, Wigan, Cleethorpes, Stafford and today.

 

The Hamilton Movement, well if I had a choice of some of the Wigan pop or records like the Hamilton Movement I know which I would choose.

[pow wow mik]

A  masterpiece ,you must be joking ,its a very average ordinary record ,if it wasn't rare I wouldn't even give you a fiver for it 

 

Bazza

well each to their own but I am amazed. First that people dont like it, second that they're so keen to advertise the fact.

it's like not liking puppies or something, the song's beautiful!

[Dave Pinch]

Be interesting to see how the other copy fairs though?

but its john manship tho nev..... people surely cant be naive enough to believe that if it goes for £4k on johns auction that`ll be the correct price....or can they 

[Karlm]

karls copy is still £2650  if someone fancies a punt

 

Top bid is now £3K and I'm wrapping up bidding this weekend. And I can guarantee it's not a part of a "find", it comes out of a local collectors collection. As rare discs tends to do after a high auction result.

[NEV]

So that's both copies are from collections ..so apart from J.P's ,which was probably a new find ....

[macca]

This has got it all for me, especially the desperate, angst ridden vocal, the lyrics, the manic percussion, an awesome bassline, the horns... It's not a "pure soul production" for nowt. Glad we all don't like the same thing... 

[NEV]

In short ,a soul record should sound like its sung from the heart , convincing ,to the level that you feel the emotion !

But that aside ,if your judging from the perspective of a "northern soul " pundit and all you care about is ,has this record got the beats and the breaks for someone to spin ,kick and do a back drop ala Wigan era ,then the answer is no !

But I seriously think if you can say this record is utter tosh ,your not into soul music but on a dance scene ?

Each to their own and free to choose ,but don't compare things that have no relevance.

Your either a soul fan or a northern soul fan ..this is a soul record that actually emptied floors when it first got introduced ,but now has em jumping out of their seats at venues ..big and small !

[Tezza]

In short ,a soul record should sound like its sung from the heart , convincing ,to the level that you feel the emotion !

But that aside ,if your judging from the perspective of a "northern soul " pundit and all you care about is ,has this record got the beats and the breaks for someone to spin ,kick and do a back drop ala Wigan era ,then the answer is no !

But I seriously think if you can say this record is utter tosh ,your not into soul music but on a dance scene ?

Each to their own and free to choose ,but don't compare things that have no relevance.

Your either a soul fan or a northern soul fan ..this is a soul record that actually emptied floors when it first got introduced ,but now has em jumping out of their seats at venues ..big and small !

I agree Nev.  It is a personal thing.  As we have seen throughout time 'One mans Poison ...'  Many times you see a packed floor and wonder what the hell they see in a tune and Vise Versa.  Personally love the tune in or out of the Fraternity.  Choose your moment to play it and despite the subject of the Song a very feel good piece for me.

[Mark R]

I would say it's grown on me slightly since first hearing it (Yarmouth?) many years ago, but I still don'tt quite get the fuss......and probably go along with the "if it wasn't rare....." statement.

And it's ironic that this is used as an example to define a soul fan from a NS fan, because I'm very definitely the former but if I posted an example those on here who say they're soul fans would almost certainly disagree with my choice!! All things are relative and some on here only think it's soul if it's pre 1980 or if it's new, sounds old! .

It's a bit of a mess of a record with a memorable intro and hook......

Cheers,

Mark R

Edited November 1, 2014 by Mark R

[Raremusicdirect]

Words from a man who would like one ,but not yet got one me thinks Kevin 

 

Not on my current Hit list Nev .......... :-)

[Guest Bearsy]

Its a dance tune its soul and its friggin brilliant.  I'm so glad I ain't stuck in a time warp dancing just to a beat 

[Raremusicdirect]

Who says more have been found? Is that true, or is it based on the fact that a couple of people have decided to off load theirs and try and take advantage of the high demand for it.

 

"More have been found since the first copies surfaced" would have been better words.............. I know of 5 others in collections besides those mentioned, so I would expect a couple of those to also cash in also.

[Pete S]

I know we all branch off with different tastes, but i find it mind boggling that people on a soul forum could call this record crap.

I thought it would be one of the undisputables. Forget northern soul and all the sub-genres, forget soul even....

just as a piece of music, a piece of pop music even, it's just a masterpiece isn't it?

 

I respect your opinion but find it totally forgettable.  I have no idea how it goes despite listening to it yesterday apart from a corny spoken intro.

[Steve G]

I respect your opinion but find it totally forgettable.  I have no idea how it goes despite listening to it yesterday apart from a corny spoken intro.

 

It's a bit like Joseph Webster sounds brilliant in a club, not quite as good on the home speakers tho. I do like the Hamilton Movement, it's been massive on the rare soul scene for decades. As Mark says the 90s when it started….I guess we're now getting the swill / second wave from the n.s. scene who caught onto it a few years ago.

[Chalky]

I would say it's grown on me slightly since first hearing it (Yarmouth?) many years ago, but I still don'tt quite get the fuss......and probably go along with the "if it wasn't rare....." statement.

And it's ironic that this is used as an example to define a soul fan from a NS fan, because I'm very definitely the former but if I posted an example those on here who say they're soul fans would almost certainly disagree with my choice!! All things are relative and some on here only think it's soul if it's pre 1980 or if it's new, sounds old! .

It's a bit of a mess of a record with a memorable intro and hook......

Cheers,

Mark R

 

 

Butch found it in the early 90's but it was a few years later when Butch let Keb have it.  It would be early 2000, around the time Lifeline was starting when the box of 20 odd were found and it hit the Northern/Rare Soul scene big style.  Most of the copies went to DJ's or collectors who were DJing.

 

Edited November 1, 2014 by chalky

[Mark R]

I respect your opinion but find it totally forgettable.  I have no idea how it goes despite listening to it yesterday apart from a corny spoken intro.

 

Really interesting to come on and read that Pete, because having posted earlier I was reflecting on this, and whilst I now can't get the hook out of my head, I couldn't sing the verses in my head......haven't a clue, which probably says it all for me!

 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

[Mark R]

I also like the bit about being happy to come on hear and say it's ordinary at best!!  Like I'm supposed to be concerned about my opinion agreeing with others? Not this man! LOL

 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

[Pete S]

I also like the bit about being happy to come on hear and say it's ordinary at best!!  Like I'm supposed to be concerned about my opinion agreeing with others? Not this man! LOL

 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

 

AH I see.  Hadn't seen your earlier posts.

Edited November 1, 2014 by Pete S

[Pete S]

Maybe as many good as bad was off the mark but from what I do know are Wigan records, there is many that are extremely poor, many that haven't stood the test of time BUT I could say that about other eras as well.  Younonly have to look at the vast number of records played in the past and how many most DJ's rely on to satisfy the dancers, a small percentage when analysed.  The point I was trying to make is when you are attempting to be ground breaking dross is going to get played, Mecca, Wigan, Cleethorpes, Stafford and today.

 

The Hamilton Movement, well if I had a choice of some of the Wigan pop or records like the Hamilton Movement I know which I would choose.

 

I understand that Chalky and I know some terrible records were played, but to say half of the output was crap just isn't right.  5% maybe.

[Pete S]

Its a dance tune its soul and its friggin brilliant.  I'm so glad I ain't stuck in a time warp dancing just to a beat 

 

Yeah so am I 

[Mark R]

AH I see. Hadn't seen your earlier posts.

Sorry.....I can see the confusion........that last post was relative to the thread elsewhere, not anything you'd said!

Cheers,

Mark R

[Pete S]

In short ,a soul record should sound like its sung from the heart , convincing ,to the level that you feel the emotion !

But that aside ,if your judging from the perspective of a "northern soul " pundit and all you care about is ,has this record got the beats and the breaks for someone to spin ,kick and do a back drop ala Wigan era ,then the answer is no !

But I seriously think if you can say this record is utter tosh ,your not into soul music but on a dance scene ?

Each to their own and free to choose ,but don't compare things that have no relevance.

Your either a soul fan or a northern soul fan ..this is a soul record that actually emptied floors when it first got introduced ,but now has em jumping out of their seats at venues ..big and small !

 

Who is saying anything about Northern records having to be fast and have breaks?  You.  Some of my favourite ever Northern records, Sherlock Holmes - Standing at a standstill, Natural Four, Joe Douglas etc - love to see people doing stupid acrobatics to those...'soul music' like Hamilton Movement leaves me stone cold, but so what, why should you worry about what I and other people like and don't like and come on here and spout off about it as if you're the Lord Of The Dance 

just leave people alone because your opinion means absolutely f*ck all to anyone except yourself.

It's really annoying when certain people come on here and define soul by their own terms and if other people don't agree with it they are somehow inferior or 'dinosaurs' or whatever.

Edited November 1, 2014 by Pete S

[Pete S]

Sorry.....I can see the confusion........that last post was relative to the thread elsewhere, not anything you'd said!

Cheers,

Mark R

 

I know, and I think you almost agreed with me which was another reason why I was a little confused 

[Guest Bearsy]

Yeah so am I 

just leave people alone because your opinion means absolutely f*ck all to anyone except yourself.

It's really annoying when certain people come on here and define soul by their own terms and if other people don't agree with it they are somehow inferior or 'dinosaurs' or whatever.

[Pete S]

 

just leave people alone because your opinion means absolutely f*ck all to anyone except yourself.

It's really annoying when certain people come on here and define soul by their own terms and if other people don't agree with it they are somehow inferior or 'dinosaurs' or whatever.

 

 

Yeah it's relevant to your comment isn't it, you telling people you're not stuck in a time warp (and therefore above all others), well fucking bully for you Bearsy, well done, I bow down to your superior taste in music.

[Steve G]

Butch found it in the early 90's but it was a few years later when Butch let Keb have it.  It would be early 2000, around the time Lifeline was starting when the box of 20 odd were found and it hit the Northern/Rare Soul scene big style.  Most of the copies went to DJ's or collectors who were DJing.

 

 

Butch offered me one at one of the early Fleetwood weekenders that Richard and Kev ran - about the same time give or take a year that Pottsy turned up with 4 Gwen Owens on the Saturday. Not sure when it was exactly. I am sure it was late 90s but memory might be playing tricks on me.

[Pete S]

Sod this I'm going to Morrison's to avoid watching the Wolves lose.

[Chalky]

Butch offered me one at one of the early Fleetwood weekenders that Richard and Kev ran - about the same time give or take a year that Pottsy turned up with 4 Gwen Owens on the Saturday. Not sure when it was exactly. I am sure it was late 90s but memory might be playing tricks on me.

 

 

It was definitely around before the 25 give or take the odd one turned up early 2000, I'd go for later 90's when hearing it out and about.  Didn't hear Keb too much when he was into his Deep Funk.  Keb was as far as I am aware the first to make anything of the record.

[Guest Bearsy]

Yeah it's relevant to your comment isn't it, you telling people you're not stuck in a time warp (and therefore above all others), well fucking bully for you Bearsy, well done, I bow down to your superior taste in music.

Toungue in cheek ffs Pete.  Your turning into a right miserable fooking bully yourself and you keep putting words in you think suit you to twist things round and no I don't think I'm above all others (unlike you ).  See we can all do that 

[Pete S]

Toungue in cheek ffs Pete.  Your turning into a right miserable fooking bully yourself and you keep putting words in you think suit you to twist things round and no I don't think I'm above all others (unlike you ).  See we can all do that 

 

Round of applause.

[Guest]

for what's its worth I think it's a great record, but what the heck do I know...

Edited November 1, 2014 by Guest

[Quinvy]

Again it's a fantastic dance record, can't sit down when this comes on.

[Guest gordon russell]

The so called rare soul scene as some wish to differentiate it from others has given the scene some absolutely brilliant records from many DJ's.  Many have gone on years later to become scene classics when the so called oldies brigade wake up to them......and some of those DJ's actually have the nerve to take the credit as well.  Some proper turkeys have been played as well, I will be the first to admit that but that is the same for any other era on this scene.  You only have to listen to some of the tripe Wigan gave us.  As many bad as good came out of the place.  Funny when you break the oldies scene down from almost 20 years of so called great records just 200 or so are played to death every week at the vast majority of venues, a sad reflection of over 40 years of the greatest music on this earth.

joey delorenzo  and joe jamma  being two that spring to mind

[NEV]

It's a bit like Joseph Webster sounds brilliant in a club, not quite as good on the home speakers tho. I do like the Hamilton Movement, it's been massive on the rare soul scene for decades. As Mark says the 90s when it started….I guess we're now getting the swill / second wave from the n.s. scene who caught onto it a few years ago.

What a load of tosh !

Second wave ?you've got more records in your collection that are no where near as good , you made the wrong judgement and bought King Moses for a lot more than this will ever sell for and is poor in comparison !

If the "rare " scene is moving at a pace that we are ridiculed for playing quality soul ,we are truly victims of our own game

I listen and I get up and dance ,but if its just about playing things that are current ,or butch's /soul Sam's latest spin ,its time to go home !

Quality ,timing and the right balance to appease both dancer and chin stroker is and always should be the key!

[Jim G]

See nothings changes in 5 decades, cover ups, play it cos it's rare blah blah etc. etc. etc.

 

this is a record I like, If it was a £50 record it wouldn't get played out as there are better records of the same value out there. So rarity trumps quality , same old story . But to each their own.

 

just played it YouTube and Southside Movement for comparison to her indoors, Southside Movement was much preferred.....

Edited November 2, 2014 by jim g

[Dave Pinch]

See nothings changes in 5 decades, cover ups, play it cos it's rare blah blah etc. etc. etc.

 

this is a record I like, If it was a £50 record it wouldn't get played out as there are better records of the same value out there. So rarity trumps quality , same old story . But to each their own.

 

just played it YouTube and Southside Movement for comparison to her indoors, Southside Movement was much preferred.....

you probably got me there jim...southside movement for me too...still i would buy hamilton movement if it were cheap enough

[Dave Pinch]

What a load of tosh !

Second wave ?you've got more records in your collection that are no where near as good , you made the wrong judgement and bought King Moses for a lot more than this will ever sell for and is poor in comparison !

If the "rare " scene is moving at a pace that we are ridiculed for playing quality soul ,we are truly victims of our own game

I listen and I get up and dance ,but if its just about playing things that are current ,or butch's /soul Sam's latest spin ,its time to go home !

Quality ,timing and the right balance to appease both dancer and chin stroker is and always should be the key!

oooh you do get angry sometimes

[NEV]

oooh you do get angry sometimes

To the point. I could crush a doll's house!

[Dave Pinch]

To the point. I could crush a doll's house!

whats wrong with grapes

[Mal C]

I think the Hamilton movement s a brill record, and all their others on the label which are a lot cheaper... Maria O used to spin this in Oz on her Radio show and about town, it was a big thing back then, would be 2003/4/5.

 

Great track, but at that price, Id have to plum to spend my money on other wants personally, alternatively Id like to go to the states and find one..!! maybe    appreciated the scan for my I-Tunes, now I can listen in a right visual paradise..!!

 

Malcolm

Edited November 2, 2014 by Mal C

[Steve G]

What a load of tosh !

Second wave ?you've got more records in your collection that are no where near as good , you made the wrong judgement and bought King Moses for a lot more than this will ever sell for and is poor in comparison !

If the "rare " scene is moving at a pace that we are ridiculed for playing quality soul ,we are truly victims of our own game

I listen and I get up and dance ,but if its just about playing things that are current ,or butch's /soul Sam's latest spin ,its time to go home !

Quality ,timing and the right balance to appease both dancer and chin stroker is and always should be the key!

 

What has King Moses got to do with it? I bought that a few years ago about 2006, have bought loads of records before and after that as you well know.

 

I have been to enough clubs over the last 15 years to know that Hamilton Movement has been played to death at this point. It may still work on the dance floor but so does Eddie Parker at a northern venue…..HM has caught on with the northern scene, but for the more foreward thinking time to pack it away and move on - you are a self confessed hot boxer….you should know that. 

Edited November 2, 2014 by Steve G

[Philt]

It's a good record isn't it; I'd want it to be more than that though if I was parting with that kinda dosh

 

Steve, sell Eddie Parker to Andy Dennison; it'd put you both out of your misery lol 

[NEV]

What has King Moses got to do with it? I bought that a few years ago about 2006, have bought loads of records before and after that as you well know.

I have been to enough clubs over the last 15 years to know that Hamilton Movement has been played to death at this point. It may still work on the dance floor but so does Eddie Parker at a northern venue…..HM has caught on with the northern scene, but for the more foreward thinking time to pack it away and move on - you are a self confessed hot boxer….you should know that.

Apologies Steve.. Tosh was a bit strong, I should have said poppycock

P.s I thought a hotboxer just bought and played good indemand records,not total fresh, unknowns?

[KevH]

Anyway when you lot have done arguing,  ,bumped into someone on Mansfield Market this morning whos' just snagged one for £800 from a private sell off.

Bazza,i think you know him.

[Phil]

Whos that Kev is he one of the mansfield mafia!!

[Dennisoul]

It's a good record isn't it; I'd want it to be more than that though if I was parting with that kinda dosh

Steve, sell Eddie Parker to Andy Dennison; it'd put you both out of your misery lol

Yes please Phil, if Steve could help with Eddie Parker I'd be a very happy guy :-)

Really like the Hamilton movement just thought I'd add that :-)

Edited November 5, 2014 by Dennisoul

[Jim G]

Another Mint copy on Ebay $1,825 with 6 days to go

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/70s-Soul-45-Hamilton-Movement-Shes-Gone-Look-Out-NM-mp3/381096830128?_trksid=p2045573.c100034.m2102&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003150253%26meid%3D83a408821f6b4d72b0553fd6134b15dd%26pid%3D100034%26prg%3D20131003150253%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D8%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D191441870165