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    The so called rare soul scene as some wish to differentiate it from others has given the scene some absolutely brilliant records from many DJ's.  Many have gone on years later to become scene classics

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      Is that really your opinion?  Butch, Andy Dyson, Mick H, Dave Ripolles, Steve G, Arthur Fenn, Soul Sam to name just a few all playing obscure inferior music, you do come out with some cr

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    well each to their own but I am amazed. First that people dont like it, second that they're so keen to advertise the fact. it's like not liking puppies or something, the song's beaut

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id like to say its reached its max value now...but no doubt it will double at the last second!

Wow!  :ohmy:

 

My mate bought one for a grand here in the UK last week.

 

Think he will be slightly pleased! Lol.  :yes:

  On 15/10/2014 at 14:30, dave pinch said:

Probably go up to 4000 dollars.. Won't go any higher unless 2 angry old men go for it

Almost there now and 2 days to go !

Fantastic record don't get me wrong but what a lot of money!!! It'll only ever be the soul mafia pressing for me :-(

Unless of course I win the lottery!

  On 16/10/2014 at 17:33, dave pinch said:

Must be an all time high still very fashionable tho

Timeless !

$4500 now...... :-)

$5350 now

  On 17/10/2014 at 22:05, Sutty said:

how come the 2nd bidder has had 77 bid retractions in 6 months?

Very interesting , 2% with this seller .

  77 is a lot over 6 months but what constitutes a retraction ..the obvious pulled his bids or just stopped bidding before the end ?

  On 15/10/2014 at 14:30, dave pinch said:

Probably go up to 4000 dollars.. Won't go any higher unless 2 angry old men go for it

 

could be two wide eyes young pups, equally, Dave.

  On 18/10/2014 at 09:00, NEV said:

Very interesting , 2% with this seller .

  77 is a lot over 6 months but what constitutes a retraction ..the obvious pulled his bids or just stopped bidding before the end ?

Well spotted Nev. number of bids suggests a dealer rather than a collector or DJ. Bidding on twenty records a day is hard work but dealers have to do this. The number of bid retractions is highly suspicious. An auction bid would normally only occur in extreme circumstances so the bidding profile suggests this is highly unusual activity. I wonder if this sale will fall through? The private bidder in the lead must be having some doubts.

  On 18/10/2014 at 13:19, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

No, this record is destined for one of the top DJs hence the sums involved.

 

i doubt that, not so long after it was big.

Top dj on the " Northern scene "= 20yr behind the rare scene dj ;)

  On 18/10/2014 at 16:57, NEV said:

Top dj on the " Northern scene "= 20yr behind the rare scene dj ;)

I thought it was the other way round Nev with the Rare Soul merchants trying to take the scene forward with scarce but inferior tunes for a younger audience who don't know any better.

  On 18/10/2014 at 18:21, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

I thought it was the other way round Nev with the Rare Soul merchants trying to take the scene forward with scarce but inferior tunes for a younger audience who don't know any better.

Odd take on it ?

Are you forgetting that nearly all of today's big dance floor fillers started out as a new discovery by rare soul collectors and DJ's .

Of course there's a lot of records that maybe arent so desirable ,but if you dont ty em youll never find out and thats called taking a risk !

The main room man waits for the little room man to break the record ,guages the reaction before throwing a big wedge at the guaranteed dancer ...basically the lazy option .

Should also remember that the rare soul crowd have love and passion for the content of a records ,rather than just the dance floor potential .

Just my opinion ,but if you think all new records are inferior and nothing new is worth listening to ,your on a retro scene ,a nostalgia scene ...which must get a bit tedious and boring after 40 yr ,Shirley ;)

  On 18/10/2014 at 18:21, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

I thought it was the other way round Nev with the Rare Soul merchants trying to take the scene forward with scarce but inferior tunes for a younger audience who don't know any better.

 

Is the Hamilton Movement inferior then? Younger ears or open minded ears, people can make their own minds up as to what is inferior.

  On 18/10/2014 at 18:21, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

I thought it was the other way round Nev with the Rare Soul merchants trying to take the scene forward with scarce but inferior tunes for a younger audience who don't know any better.

 

Is that really your opinion?  Butch, Andy Dyson, Mick H, Dave Ripolles, Steve G, Arthur Fenn, Soul Sam to name just a few all playing obscure inferior music, you do come out with some crap if that really is what you think.  I don't know one venue or DJ that forces any music on anyone, they either go and listen and dance or go somewhere else.

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  On 19/10/2014 at 10:46, jordirip said:

Is the Hamilton Movement inferior then? Younger ears or open minded ears, people can make their own minds up as to what is inferior.

No, not at all as it's one of the better sounds of the genre. It is however being overwhelmed by more than a trickle of relatively inferior sounds of a pseudo-funk tempo...

  On 19/10/2014 at 10:41, NEV said:

Odd take on it ?

Are you forgetting that nearly all of today's big dance floor fillers started out as a new discovery by rare soul collectors and DJ's .

Of course there's a lot of records that maybe arent so desirable ,but if you dont ty em youll never find out and thats called taking a risk !

The main room man waits for the little room man to break the record ,guages the reaction before throwing a big wedge at the guaranteed dancer ...basically the lazy option .

Should also remember that the rare soul crowd have love and passion for the content of a records ,rather than just the dance floor potential .

Just my opinion ,but if you think all new records are inferior and nothing new is worth listening to ,your on a retro scene ,a nostalgia scene ...which must get a bit tedious and boring after 40 yr ,Shirley ;)

Never said ALL new records were inferior but some, maybe plenty are. Nothing against new sounds either whether broken in on the main floor or the side rooms, providing they appeal more to the audience than the DJ and they can be danced to, after all, what's the point of records full of 'content' that no one wants to dance to. There are still plenty of good 60's and 70's tunes still to be revealed so why settle for third-rate, play-at-home-only records on a night out?

  On 19/10/2014 at 10:52, chalky said:

Is that really your opinion?  Butch, Andy Dyson, Mick H, Dave Ripolles, Steve G, Arthur Fenn, Soul Sam to name just a few all playing obscure inferior music, you do come out with some crap if that really is what you think.  I don't know one venue or DJ that forces any music on anyone, they either go and listen and dance or go somewhere else.

Yes it's my considered opinion for what it's worth. All these top DJs have built their reputations playing the rarest and best classic sounds and rarities with a few of them spearheading the exposure of great new material from the 70's. Sure, they innovate and not all the records exposed hit the spot but my point was that there are inferior, poor dance potential sounds being pushed, mainly because they are rare and slightly-soundalike and no one else is attempting to break them. And are you telling me that every DJ plays exclusively for the crowd - some wannabe DJs play more for themselves or to an empty dance floor but we keep coming back for more...

4 grand and change!.....no idea if this is worth it because I can`t stand the thing but I do understand its appeal.

The so called rare soul scene as some wish to differentiate it from others has given the scene some absolutely brilliant records from many DJ's.  Many have gone on years later to become scene classics when the so called oldies brigade wake up to them......and some of those DJ's actually have the nerve to take the credit as well.  Some proper turkeys have been played as well, I will be the first to admit that but that is the same for any other era on this scene.  You only have to listen to some of the tripe Wigan gave us.  As many bad as good came out of the place.  Funny when you break the oldies scene down from almost 20 years of so called great records just 200 or so are played to death every week at the vast majority of venues, a sad reflection of over 40 years of the greatest music on this earth.

  • 2 weeks later...

I have a solid EX copy with clean vinyl and clean labels I'm taking offers on. Current high bid is £2650.

 

BR, Karl

  On 30/10/2014 at 17:37, KarlM said:

I have a solid EX copy with clean vinyl and clean labels I'm taking offers on. Current high bid is £2650.

 

BR, Karl

 

So that's four copies in a couple of weeks! JM, Ebay, yours and another forum members mate, common as muck (only teasing!)

  On 30/10/2014 at 17:46, jim g said:

So that's four copies in a couple of weeks! JM, Ebay, yours and another forum members mate, common as muck (only teasing!)

The other forum probably KarlM copy, JM's copy will be a UK collector taking full advantage, rather than a recent find :)

Damn...still love dancing to this when lucky enough to hear it out once or twice a year. Just wish it was a touch longer, like so many where it's all over too soon.

  On 18/10/2014 at 18:21, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

I thought it was the other way round Nev with the Rare Soul merchants trying to take the scene forward with scarce but inferior tunes for a younger audience who don't know any better.

 

Brilliant!

  On 19/10/2014 at 16:18, chalky said:

 You only have to listen to some of the tripe Wigan gave us.  As many bad as good came out of the place. 

 

Did you go?

Well I'm not keen on it at all,a bit ordinary to me  :(

 

Bazza   :hatsoff2:

 

Must be bonkers paying that sort of money for it

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  On 31/10/2014 at 10:59, Bazza said:

Well I'm not keen on it at all,a bit ordinary to me  :(

 

Bazza   :hatsoff2:

 

Must be bonkers paying that sort of money for it

 

It's just another nothing record like a lot of these are, might be rare but quality wise, sounds like £5's worth.

  On 30/10/2014 at 19:42, Pete S said:

Did you go?

 

I don't need to go anywhere to form an opinion about any particular record, just like you are forming an opinion about this record.  You seem to have an opinion about more records than anyone on here witout out justification of ever attending a venue where it was played.

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  On 31/10/2014 at 11:29, chalky said:

I don't need to go anywhere to form an opinion about any particular record, just like you are forming an opinion about this record.  You seem to have an opinion about more records than anyone on here witout out justification of ever attending a venue where it was played.

 

Well how can you say half the records played at Wigan were crap if you didn't go?  How do you know they were played there?  By all means say a record is crap but don't try and tarnish it with the old Wigan brush.  Do you want me to go to a venue where this Hamilton Movement is playing just so I can come home and say, yep, still crap?

Obviously must be high demand for it as its becomes more expensive as more have been found..............I can see even more turning up so really had to see the price spike being maintained.............. :g:

  On 31/10/2014 at 13:48, RareMusicDirect said:

Obviously must be high demand for it as its becomes more expensive as more have been found..............I can see even more turning up so really had to see the price spike being maintained.............. :g:

 

Who says more have been found? Is that true, or is it based on the fact that a couple of people have decided to off load theirs and try and take advantage of the high demand for it.

  On 31/10/2014 at 13:55, jordirip said:

Who says more have been found? Is that true, or is it based on the fact that a couple of people have decided to off load theirs and try and take advantage of the high demand for it.

 

Stands to reason, if someone sees a record going for big bucks, they try to get the same, strike while the iron is hot

  On 31/10/2014 at 13:48, RareMusicDirect said:

Obviously must be high demand for it as its becomes more expensive as more have been found..............I can see even more turning up so really had to see the price spike being maintained.............. :g:

Words from a man who would like one ,but not yet got one me thinks Kevin  :wicked:

Lucky to be able to listen to my girlfriend's copy from time to time :D In that price range there's ones further up in my personal wants list but a great tune indeed

Edited by hermanthegerman

I know we all branch off with different tastes, but i find it mind boggling that people on a soul forum could call this record crap.

I thought it would be one of the undisputables. Forget northern soul and all the sub-genres, forget soul even....

just as a piece of music, a piece of pop music even, it's just a masterpiece isn't it?

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      On 31/10/2014 at 17:59, dave pinch said:

    its a bloody good record..not sure about the price tag tho..karls copy is about right at the moment.... that ebay copy was just outrageous

    Be interesting to see how the other copy fairs though?

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