Non Rarity? (Dobie Grays Out On The Floor )

[ulyssees]

Bought a copy of Dobie Grays Out On The Floor on red Charger back in the 60's, paid exactly then what you would now......next to nothing.  It's always there at any record fair, sales box, car boot. So got to thinking, is there any issue of this record that is valuable?

I also love the fact that one of the greatest tunes is also one of the cheapest.

 

KIR

 

Yule

[billb]

Came out on Reo, quite rare I think

 

All time classic but hate to spit in church, Les Dawson on the piano?

[Frankie Crocker]

Booted left, right and centre. Are you sure you have an original issue? Had it's day achieving classic status long ago but seldom heard nowadays. Value irrelevant.

[Guest Aaron Darcy]

original is on Thunderbird its quite rare ' price around £75 pounds

[Tlscapital]

Not original, first issued on Charger

 

then much later reissued on Thunderbird

 

see topic here 

[ulyssees]

Many thanks for the link, very interesting.

 

Yule.

[Pete S]

original is on Thunderbird its quite rare ' price around £75 pounds

 

Thunderbird is from 1975 and is way overpriced.  Worth £30.

[Dave Thorley]

Funny enough, Jerry Hipkiss played it this morning on his '9 after 9' on the GFM morning show. It's a great sound, played it a few months ago at an oldies do I did in Blackwood, South Wales. Peeps came racing to the floor for it, smiling faces around the whole room.

[Chris Turnbull]

So when was it first played / popular - Torch?

[Benji]

Has anyone ever flipped a Charger one over? Very nice beat ballad...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apic5rPYSe8

[Ray Copley]

One on a Canadian Reo went for £199 last year !!

 

 

https://www.popsike.com/Rare-CANADIAN-issue-DOBIE-GRAY-Out-on-the-floor-REO-Listen/251320570712.html

[Dave Pinch]

originals are stamped arnt they....altho i cant remember off the top of my head what it is

[Drewtg]

So when was it first played / popular - Torch?

 

I remember dancing to this when I was about twelve at The Chambers club in Rochdale. That would make it about 1969/70 so possibly a Wheel hit?

BTW if any song should be our anthem........this is it.

[Chris Turnbull]

I remember dancing to this when I was about twelve at The Chambers club in Rochdale. That would make it about 1969/70 so possibly a Wheel hit?

BTW if any song should be our anthem........this is it.

Brilliant, thanks - anyone confirm?

[grant]

also very slight longer version available on a Decca lp

[Chris Turnbull]

also very slight longer version available on a Decca lp

And a long (remixed) version on the 1979 Inferno 'Out on the floor tonight' LP, but sometimes less is more 

[Liamgp]

And a long (remixed) version on the 1979 Inferno 'Out on the floor tonight' LP, but sometimes less is more 

 

I don't remember it being remixed on that LP, but then again it was 30 years ago I last listened to it.

[Chris Turnbull]

I don't remember it being remixed on that LP, but then again it was 30 years ago I last listened to it.

Looked for a youtube clip to upload but doesn't seem to be one.

 

Remix probably a bit of a misnomer, basically it is cut and pasted to give a longer version - presumably Neil Rushton would know more about it 

[rigsbyscardie]

Played extensively at the Wheel.

'See You at the Go Go', another of his on Charger, was also played. 

[Chris Turnbull]

Played extensively at the Wheel.

'See You at the Go Go', another of his on Charger, was also played. 

Funny how it never seems to get mentioned as a classic Wheel sound 

[macca]

I remember dancing to this when I was about twelve at The Chambers club in Rochdale. That would make it about 1969/70 so possibly a Wheel hit?

BTW if any song should be our anthem........this is it.

Some might say the same about That Beatin' Rhythm? Both are cornerstones of the scene. Richard Temple on a Mirwood promo looks nicer though. :-)

[Guest]

So got to thinking, is there any issue of this record that is valuable?

I also love the fact that one of the greatest tunes is also one of the cheapest.

The stamped red Charger original with the Smaller Title Print is rarer and a little more value than the regular issue.

Everybody knows it but I still think it's a fantastic Northern Soul record!

Edited October 6, 2014 by Guest

[Jerry Hipkiss]

Funny enough, Jerry Hipkiss played it this morning on his '9 after 9' on the GFM morning show. It's a great sound, played it a few months ago at an oldies do I did in Blackwood, South Wales. Peeps came racing to the floor for it, smiling faces around the whole room.

Yes, it's one of those tunes we all take for granted, and often pass over for a play because of that, but going through the boxes at the weekend the original fell into my hand...so I just thought it worth a spin!

[Garethx]

Are we sure about 'extensively played at the Wheel"? I remember a lengthy thread on here about a comprehensive playlist from the venue and the inclusion of Dobie Gray provoked a lot of heated debate.

[Pete S]

Wasn't it the only non-UK release put out on the Soul Sounds bootleg label?  (All Twisted Wheel biggies)

[KevH]

i've always liked the In Crowd,another Wheel tune.?

[Guest]

The 'In Crowd'.....don't know about the wheel but massive at the Dungeon, love it.

[Hooker1951]

THE IN CRoud was a massive record at the room at the top marketplace Wigan spring 1965.

                                                                               GOD bless Mick L

[Pete Eccles]

Tony Rounce mentioned on Facebook the other week that after listening to "The in crowd" for donkeys years he had never noticed that in the opening verse the backing singers actually sing "Out on the floor",

 

I must admit neither had I,

[Pete S]

Tony Rounce mentioned on Facebook the other week that after listening to "The in crowd" for donkeys years he had never noticed that in the opening verse the backing singers actually sing "Out on the floor",

 

I must admit neither had I,

 

You pair of deaf gits   it's loud enough!

[Pete Eccles]

You pair of deaf gits   it's loud enough!

 

 

  It obviously isn't!!!

[Drewtg]

Some might say the same about That Beatin' Rhythm? Both are cornerstones of the scene. Richard Temple on a Mirwood promo looks nicer though. :-)

Fred Smith as well? Edited October 6, 2014 by Drewtg

[rigsbyscardie]

Yes, I am positive about Out on the Floor being played at the Wheel in the 60's. 

Not really surprising it isn't often mentioned in this context. It didn't achieve the kind of status it later attained but was another good, solid sound, like so many others.

I believe Dobie Gray's version of The In Crowd was played, although I personally never heard it there. The Ramsey Lewis version was the one at the time.

BTW, I have never seen a comprehensive playlist of Wheel sounds, It was something I wanted to see generated when I returned to the Soul scene a few years back now. 'As comprehensive a list as it is now possible to produce' was the aim and the Twisted Wheel Forum website seemed at the time to be the obvious repository, rather than start from scratch and reinvent the Wheel, so to speak. So I contributed a list of some 250 Wheel sounds to the site, of which 3 were initially refuted, then subseuently accepted. The Shakers, One Wonderful Moment was one, as I recall. Thelma Houton. Baby Mine possibly another. None, I think, were attributed. C'est la vie  Then the website disappeared into the ether, along with the playlist thus far and I've not had contact with either since. Nor. at the risk of being contentious, have I heard a satisfactory, properly representative 60's Wheel set played at any of the 3 venues since it's 'reopening'. I am not alone in this view.

Don't understand your comment re the Soul Sounds label, Pete (S). Apologies if I've mis-read you. They are all non-UK releases?   

[Pete S]

 

Don't understand your comment re the Soul Sounds label, Pete (S). Apologies if I've mis-read you. They are all non-UK releases?   

 

Every record that was released on Soul Sounds had originally been released on a UK label.  Except Dobie Gray.

[Sunnysoul]

Surely Brian Phillips who is on here would be able to confirm whether it was a Wheel record ?

[KevH]

Surely Brian Phillips who is on here would be able to confirm whether it was a Wheel record ?

 

I thought he'd compiled a playlist on here as well.?

[Chris Turnbull]

It didn't achieve the kind of status it later attained 

 

When did it peak then - Torch? Casino? Who played it?

[Hooker1951]

Hi Chris the inn crowd Dobie Gray was possibly the biggest record around in the spring of 1965 in the nw anyway. Every DJ worth his salt had it and played it in Mod clubs and Discotheques of the day it reappeared in later years but 1965 it was massive played everywhere pirate radio stations ect.

                                                       God bless mick L.

[Raremusicdirect]

Yes, I am positive about Out on the Floor being played at the Wheel in the 60's. 

Not really surprising it isn't often mentioned in this context. It didn't achieve the kind of status it later attained but was another good, solid sound, like so many others.

I believe Dobie Gray's version of The In Crowd was played, although I personally never heard it there. The Ramsey Lewis version was the one at the time.

BTW, I have never seen a comprehensive playlist of Wheel sounds, It was something I wanted to see generated when I returned to the Soul scene a few years back now. 'As comprehensive a list as it is now possible to produce' was the aim and the Twisted Wheel Forum website seemed at the time to be the obvious repository, rather than start from scratch and reinvent the Wheel, so to speak. So I contributed a list of some 250 Wheel sounds to the site, of which 3 were initially refuted, then subseuently accepted. The Shakers, One Wonderful Moment was one, as I recall. Thelma Houton. Baby Mine possibly another. None, I think, were attributed. C'est la vie  Then the website disappeared into the ether, along with the playlist thus far and I've not had contact with either since. Nor. at the risk of being contentious, have I heard a satisfactory, properly representative 60's Wheel set played at any of the 3 venues since it's 'reopening'. I am not alone in this view.

Don't understand your comment re the Soul Sounds label, Pete (S). Apologies if I've mis-read you. They are all non-UK releases?   

 

I think your 200+ list would be appreciated by many on here

[Guest]

You pair of deaf gits   it's loud enough!

Similar to Elvis`s "Teddy Bear".....where the backing singers sing..........."Hot Banana" 

[Guest]

Definitely played at the Wheel, as was "See you at the go-go"....distinctly remember my mate singing "See you at the Wheel" at me!

[Hooker1951]

As i,ve stated before it was played everywhere and I mean everywhere.every mod who had a record player had it  remember all the main towns in country had at least 2 or 3 mod soul clubs all the dj,s at the time played it.It was that popular it was accepted as mainstream.

                               GOD BLESS MICK L

[bri phill]

I played Out On The Floor at The Wheel massive in 69/70 along with lots more imports at The time and sometimes credited later.

Also massive at The Cats played by Alan S and Bob Crocker  and Chateau Impey played by Carl Dene.

[Mike]

just added the below in th evideo section

 

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/videos/view-547-out-on-the-floor-in-the-out-of-sight-movie/

 

features the live bit and the ending over the credits

 

the ending sounds edited a bit different and guess that may fit in with the soundtrack decca lp version ?

[paultp]

I had a red vinyl twelve inch with this on, might have been on inferno? It had Muriel Day on it as well which was a bonus  and another track I think. Don't think I still have it.

[Gibby Gibby]

anybody got a white charger demo ????

[Cheapsiderecords]

I found a Canadian Reo copy and was diligently cleaning it but did not notice it was cracked between label and vinyl, broke it clean in half!

 

Canadian copy just sold recently for $249

[Pk 22dj]

anybody got a white charger demo ????

 

 

Do they exist ???

[Peter Richer]

Do they exist ???

 

Who knows?

 

Darrell Banks London issue wasn't believed to exist until this year. I suspect we can never categorically say they don't, unless there are pressing plant or label owner documents that can prove it.

 

Conversely, if one turns up, we can prove that they do.

[Funky 4 Corners]

Re a Twisted Wheel play list, Phil Scott and I did some painstaking research in the 90s and included one in CENtral 1179. BUT these were records that were popular i.e. played regularly. As soon as Imports became more attainable, roughly '69 onwards, DJs such as Brian Philips might spin a record a couple of times and you'd never seem to hear it again such as Derek Martin `If You Go` and Willie Mitchell `30 60 90`.

Edited December 30, 2014 by Funky 4 Corners