Robbk Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) I would like all of us Anoraks and major collectors on this forum to contribute record label information so that we'll be able to see who was producing sessions, singing the songs, writing the songs, arranging, publishing the music, and where that music was recorded, for that label, as it seems to have had some level of connection to L.A.'s Jobete Music (Motown) Office, in the mid '6os. We know that Chester and Gary Pipkin produced Barbara and The Castles' "Stoney Face" for Ruby-Doo CJ-12 for that label, and it seems to have been issued in early 1966. It may or may not have been recorded earlier. It was published by Jobete Music in 1965. As "Hey, Stoney Face", that song was recorded in 1965 by Mary Love for Modern Records. I have seen no evidence of Motown recording any of their contract artists singing that song, during my time at Motown, nor from any other source. Some posters hear stated that "Barbara" sounds like Brenda or Patrice Holloway. But I disagree with that. I think she sounds a lot more like Barbara Dedmon (nee Wilson), Frank Wilson's wife, who sang the demo for Brenda Holloway's "Every Little Bit Hurts". Both Barbara Wilson and Mary Love worked with Hal Davis and Marc Gordon's L.A. Jobete Music operation during that period. It has been stated by a poster that John Marascalco (owner of Cee Jam Records) ran/owned Ruby-Doo Records. I haven't seen the source of that information. But, it is very plausible, (1) because the pressing code for "Stoney Face is CJ-12 (same as the CJ code # for Cee Jam Records), and (2), because Marascalco had a working relationship with Davis and Gordon and The Pipkins of Jobete L.A. at that time, producing records on L.A. Jobete back-up singers, on songs published by Hal Davis' Finesse Music (which was the publisher of all the songs written by The L.A. Jobete writing crew, that did not end up being purchased by Motown). Pat Hunt, who sang backup with The Holloways, Mary Love, Jean King and others on Jobete demo sessions, was among those produced by Marascalco (who also got writing credit on some Jobete published songs (released by Joker Records). He produce Hunt for modern's Kent Records. He was also a producer at Joker, and may have been the liason between the two companies (along with Vince Love-who also worked for both). Please post here any information on other Ruby-Doo releases (and the flip of Barbara and The Castles), and anything on the ownership, producers, where they recorded, and other aspects of that label's operation. Thanks. Edited September 23, 2014 by RobbK
Vin Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Robb... have a look on rateyourmusic.com there are half a dozen label scans of Ruby Doo releases you might be able to get some info off them ..wouldn't let me copy and paste the address for some reason.
Pete S Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Robb, another version of Hey Stoney Face by Vicki Nelson on Discovery records.
Robbk Posted September 23, 2014 Author Posted September 23, 2014 Robb... have a look on rateyourmusic.com there are half a dozen label scans of Ruby Doo releases you might be able to get some info off them ..wouldn't let me copy and paste the address for some reason. Thanks. That source gave me one record I didn't know about. Can someone please zoom in on the image of "Don't Hurt Me Baby", and list for me the songwriter and music publisher and producer for me? My pop-up blocker won't let me do that, and I don't dare lift it, as I'm prone to forget to turnb it off again, and don't want to pick up malware. When I zoom in from my browser, it gets too blurry. I CAN see that the music publisher CAN'T be Marascalco's own, Robin Hood Music. It COULD potentially be Jobete Music, but i can't tell. The writer seems to look like "D. Peoples", but it's way too blurry.
Robbk Posted September 23, 2014 Author Posted September 23, 2014 Robb, another version of Hey Stoney Face by Vicki Nelson on Discovery records. Yes, I know about the Vicki Nelson version. I don't like that one as much as Mary Love's or Barbara's.
Vin Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Producer is Chester Pipkin... Irvine Music.. .C.Pipkin
Chalky Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Writer C. Pipkin, Producer Chester Pipkin. Irving Music Co. Matrix/label number right hand sideof labe under producer (CJ 12-A) with #6 underneath. Edited September 23, 2014 by chalky
Robbk Posted September 23, 2014 Author Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Here is what I have so far on Ruby Doo Records: It ran from early 1966 through 1968. It ran, at least from catalogue numbers 1-10 (but, I only know of 6 issues). It was run (an at least co-owned, if not owned outright) by john Marascalco. It had a pressing code (with Monarch?) of CJ-same as Marascalco's Cee Jam Records. Of the 6 releases I have seen, only Barbara and The Castles includes a Jobete Music song. That is, apparently, also the only outside producer (thus, leading me to believe it was recorded in 1965, just after it was written, as the demo to send to Motown (to use for priming the eventual Motown artist, and for the Jobete Music song ownership proof). That also leads me to be more confident that the singer may be Barbara Wilson. Discography: 1 Trippers - "Dance With Me"/"Keep-A-Knockin' " Prod. John Marascalco 1966 (picked up by Dot Records) 2 Electras - "Little Girl of Mine"/"Mary, Mary" Prod. John Marascalco 1966 3 Peppermints - "My First Love"/"My First Love" Prod. Can't read - scan too blurry 1966 4 Luis Alvarez - "Samba de Orpheus"/"El Corrido" Prod. Can't read - scan too blurry 1966 5 Trippers - "Taking Care of Business"/"Charlena" Prod. John Marascalco 1966 (picked up by GNP/Creschendo) 6 Barbara & Castles - "Don't Hurt Me Baby"/"Stoney Face" Prod. Chester Pipkin 1966 7 Soul Benefit - "Yes, Sir, That's My Baby"/Charlena (inst.) Prod. John Marascalco 1967 10 Joint Effort - "Loving You Could Be Magic"/"Coming Home To You Baby" Prod. John Marascalco 1968 Edited September 25, 2014 by RobbK
Larsc Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 R&B Indies also has this listed: 9 The Peppermints - "My First Love" / (unknown title) (They also list different numbers for two titles: 12 Barbara & The Castles - "Don't Hurt Me Baby"/"Stoney Face" 15 Joint Effort - "Loving You Could Be Magic"/"Coming Home To You Baby") 1
Larsc Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) A quick look at google reveals a scan and the auction it came from listed it as same track on both sides: https://www.rootsvinylguide.com/ebay_items/the-peppermints-my-first-love-sweet-soul-doo-wop-45-ruby-doo-hear Edited September 24, 2014 by LarsC
Robbk Posted September 24, 2014 Author Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) R&B Indies also has this listed: 9 The Peppermints - "My First Love" / (unknown title) (They also list different numbers for two titles: 12 Barbara & The Castles - "Don't Hurt Me Baby"/"Stoney Face" 15 Joint Effort - "Loving You Could Be Magic"/"Coming Home To You Baby") 12 and 15 are the pressing code numbers for one side of the records on Ruby-Doo 6 and 10. Lars, can you please post The Peppermints' producer's name-or is that the engineer? It appears to read "Wilbur something". It's too blurry for me to read. The Peppermints' record catalogue number is 3 -CJ-9 is the pressing code #. Edited September 24, 2014 by RobbK
Robbk Posted September 24, 2014 Author Posted September 24, 2014 Here's a link to a German website with lots of information on the label and scans of all 8 of the found 45s that are known to have been released. They state that Ruby-Doo #8 and 9 are not known to have been released: https://www.musikalischerzirkel.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=459
Larsc Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 There's another scan here but it's pretty bad: https://collectorsfrenzy.com/details/390602130376/NORTHERN_SOUL_GIRL_GROUP_DOO_WOP_THE_PEPPERMINTS_MY_FIRST_LOVE__RUBYDOO
Vin Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Also noticed on the Soul Benefit scan the producer is Jeff Thomas on both sides and on the A side arranger is Dave Roberts
Chalky Posted September 27, 2014 Posted September 27, 2014 (edited) Here is what I have so far on Ruby Doo Records: It ran from early 1966 through 1968. It ran, at least from catalogue numbers 1-10 (but, I only know of 6 issues). It was run (an at least co-owned, if not owned outright) by john Marascalco. It had a pressing code (with Monarch?) of CJ-same as Marascalco's Cee Jam Records. Of the 6 releases I have seen, only Barbara and The Castles includes a Jobete Music song. That is, apparently, also the only outside producer (thus, leading me to believe it was recorded in 1965, just after it was written, as the demo to send to Motown (to use for priming the eventual Motown artist, and for the Jobete Music song ownership proof). That also leads me to be more confident that the singer may be Barbara Wilson. Discography: 1 Trippers - "Dance With Me"/"Keep-A-Knockin' " Prod. John Marascalco 1966 (picked up by Dot Records) NO PRODUCER ON THE LABEL 2 Electras - "Little Girl of Mine"/"Mary, Mary" Prod. John Marascalco 1966 NO PRODUCER ON THE LABEL 3 Peppermints - "My First Love"/"My First Love" Prod. Can't read - scan too blurry 1966 Engineer: Mike Lietz. NO PRODUCER ON THE LABEL 4 Luis Alvarez - "Samba de Orpheus"/"El Corrido" Prod. Can't read - scan too blurry 1966 Engineer: Mike Lietz. NO PRODUCER ON THE LABEL 5 Trippers - "Taking Care of Business"/"Charlena" Prod. John Marascalco 1966 (picked up by GNP/Creschendo) NO PRODUCER ON THE LABEL 6 Barbara & Castles - "Don't Hurt Me Baby"/"Stoney Face" Prod. Chester Pipkin 1966 7 Soul Benefit - "Yes, Sir, That's My Baby"/Charlena (inst.) ARRANGER. DAVE ROBERTS Prod. JEFF THOMAS1967 flip just states the producer 10 Joint Effort - "Loving You Could Be Magic"/"Coming Home To You Baby" Prod. John Marascalco 1968 PRODUCER: MARASCALCO I've added what details the labels state. If you want the writers let me know. Edited September 27, 2014 by chalky
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