Theothertosspot Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Was this ever booted on Flaming Arrow? Please advise. Regards Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Nope, but the release was always said to not have come out, or got released in the normal way, most if not all the copies in circulation came direct from the label owner, not via the retail route as it were, Pete S knows about this one more.... Mal Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 David Flynn is the guy who knows about this one Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Len Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 ....but what a record - awesome Len Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Only pressed late 80s, early 90s after plays from an unreleased acetate. No genuine sixties release. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Only pressed late 80s, early 90s after plays from an unreleased acetate. No genuine sixties release. Weren't they pressed somewhere in this country? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 Sounds about right cos I got one from Rudzy in the 90's for 7 quid and thought it was a boot. But in recent times goes for a little more methinks. Regards Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Sounds about right cos I got one from Rudzy in the 90's for 7 quid and thought it was a boot. But in recent times goes for a little more methinks. Regards I've seen it for well into three figures at times. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I had to have it when I first heard it, but eventually I thought it was a pretty boring record...just never played it... mal Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
purist Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 funnily enough an american seller was auctioning one on ebay recently, not something you see often, made me wonder how it found it's way back across the ocean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 David Flynn is the guy who knows about this one Cheers Richard Found them in a shop in Essex...the shop owners mate had married into the family of the label owner. It was a previously non-distributed single that had "sat in his attic"...allegedly. Mind you, the print layout and vinyl always made me think it was not a vintage press of a previously unissued track. There were around x200 copies as I recall. Great tune, mind! 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim Elliott Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Covered up as Eula Cooper I seem to recall. Jim Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 David Flynn is the guy who knows about this one Cheers Richard Found them in a shop in Essex...the shop owners mate had married into the family of the label owner. It was a previously non-distributed single that had "sat in his attic"...allegedly. Mind you, the print layout and vinyl always made me think it was not a vintage press of a previously unissued track. There were around x200 copies as I recall. Great tune, mind! Told you it was Flynny who knew the source Cheers Richard 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Found them in a shop in Essex...the shop owners mate had married into the family of the label owner. It was a previously non-distributed single that had "sat in his attic"...allegedly. Mind you, the print layout and vinyl always made me think it was not a vintage press of a previously unissued track. There were around x200 copies as I recall. Great tune, mind! What a strange story - tell us more! Which shop was it, and who was the shop owner's mate? Were the 200 copies just sat there waiting for someone to come along and find them? How long had they been there? Why only 200? It must have been some kind of repress, or else for such a top tune it would have been selling for much more than say £7 from Rudzi - it would surely have been one of the great finds of the era?! And if it was a repress why didn't the shop owner's mate press up another 200 when the first lot sold? Then again the plot thickens, as Gareth says it was played off an acetate then pressed. Is that correct, and if so who has the acetate? Edited September 11, 2014 by Chris Turnbull Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Southend Soul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Southend Soul ???! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 ???! Thats where they came from Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Thats where they came from Any more info? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Eugene Davis the owner of Crow/Flaming Arrow and Guy Hennigan was the first to get to him I believe. Guy got the first two Joseph Webster's and he alos got the Nancy Butts acetate/tape. I know Guy had a load of the Nacy Butts, did you off load them to Guy David! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Daved Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Is this the same song that's also known as "I Want To Hold Your Hand"? Edited September 11, 2014 by daved Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Yes, as below - strange title given that it doesn't really say that Sounds better every time I listen to it 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Daved Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Thanks Chris. Yeah, I love it too. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
ShorterSoul Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 What a strange story - tell us more! Which shop was it, and who was the shop owner's mate? Were the 200 copies just sat there waiting for someone to come along and find them? How long had they been there? Why only 200? It must have been some kind of repress, or else for such a top tune it would have been selling for much more than say £7 from Rudzi - it would surely have been one of the great finds of the era?! And if it was a repress why didn't the shop owner's mate press up another 200 when the first lot sold? Then again the plot thickens, as Gareth says it was played off an acetate then pressed. Is that correct, and if so who has the acetate? Carmel records in Westcliff, run by Paul Despi. That's where I got my first copy back in the 80's.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
ShorterSoul Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Carmel records in Westcliff, run by Paul Despi. That's where I got my first copy back in the 80's.. Here's a link to an old thread on this... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Daved Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I used to get hand written lists from Paul Depsi around 1984/5. Lots of great stuff there and I dread to think of the stuff I passed on because I didn't know them at the time. I was only in my early teens so £8 for a "Quick Change Artist" on Karen was a big ticket purchase for me at the time. Especially as my mates only bought stuff on reissue labels like Inferno, etc. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Here's a link to an old thread on this... Thanks for this link - still confused though as to why if only 70 or so US copies were found they ended up going so cheap in the first place - I remember them quite regularly on lists c. 1993 at £20-25 which always suggested to me that there were plenty around, though of course it was a very different market then in terms of pricing. Wish I had bought one then!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 What a strange story - tell us more! Which shop was it, and who was the shop owner's mate? Were the 200 copies just sat there waiting for someone to come along and find them? How long had they been there? Why only 200? It must have been some kind of repress, or else for such a top tune it would have been selling for much more than say £7 from Rudzi - it would surely have been one of the great finds of the era?! And if it was a repress why didn't the shop owner's mate press up another 200 when the first lot sold? Then again the plot thickens, as Gareth says it was played off an acetate then pressed. Is that correct, and if so who has the acetate? Kinda already answered here and within the original thread, but yes Paul from Carmel Records in Westcliff-On-Sea...lovely chap...used to work for Parrot Records for those that remember that East Anglian/Essex chain of stores. I bought a couple of boxes as I recall and was banging them out for £40 each...and cheaper with the last few (think Rob Messer may have also had a few?). There wasn't much demand for many years and didn't really cause a stir again until it appeared on the main auction site...and then it all went crazy. As to whether the buyer knew it's actual history is open to debate! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Thanks for this link - still confused though as to why if only 70 or so US copies were found they ended up going so cheap in the first place - I remember them quite regularly on lists c. 1993 at £20-25 which always suggested to me that there were plenty around, though of course it was a very different market then in terms of pricing. Wish I had bought one then!! Simply lack of demand...£40 was the top price I got for them...plus folk quickly realised that they were a modern-day press and were worried there were going to be 1000's about to flood the market...Chinese whispers and all that! I didn't even keep one myself! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 If there are supposedly 70-80 "original US copies" (implying there is a 1960s original) I'd love to see one. I think people are getting their wires crossed. Flaming Arrow was still an active label releasing new music in the late '80s. As for these being pressed in the UK I don't think that's the case. My own copy is long gone but nothing about it suggested a UK pressing. I think Eugene Davis pressed them in the US and had them shipped to Britain as a job lot. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Thanks all - makes sense now Still wish I'd bought one then Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 If there are supposedly 70-80 "original US copies" (implying there is a 1960s original) I'd love to see one. I think people are getting their wires crossed. Flaming Arrow was still an active label releasing new music in the late '80s. As for these being pressed in the UK I don't think that's the case. My own copy is long gone but nothing about it suggested a UK pressing. I think Eugene Davis pressed them in the US and had them shipped to Britain as a job lot. They have GM scratched in the run-out groove. I think that may be a US pressing plant! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cobbles Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I remember (Chicago) Shane had copies too ...guess he was a regular at the shop because he was from Westcliff on Sea Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Iancsloft Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Covered up as Eula Cooper I seem to recall. Jim was covered up as Linda Jones was,nt it Jim Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rick Cooper Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 https://www.sirshambling.com/artists_2012/B/nancy_butts/index.php Nancy Butts info on Sir Shambling. Seems to say it was issued in the US when recorded, any comments? Great record, remember Richard Searling playing it on his Sunday radio program. Rick Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I'm going to find my copy over the weekend, if I remember, and have a good look at the vinyl, label paper, print quality/fonts, deadwax markings etc. and see if that suggest anything about when and where this was pressed. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 https://www.sirshambling.com/artists_2012/B/nancy_butts/index.php Nancy Butts info on Sir Shambling. Seems to say it was issued in the US when recorded, any comments? Great record, remember Richard Searling playing it on his Sunday radio program. Rick John Ridley's site is generally a brilliant undertaking. There's a wealth of invaluable information there, but on the 'Northern' side of things his information can sometimes be a bit sketchy. I think he's placing it there in the discography because of the catalogue number. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Either way it's 25 years old at least.. And they were around 20/25£. Cheapest I saw was£15... By mid 90s they totally disappeared ...as is recall price steadily increased up to about £120... Henry Atkinson had and sold it at that at the time (2005)......then JM auctions a copy.. Went for something like £500.. Back at about 200 now tho isn't it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rudzy Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 KOSHER (i think) Vinyl looks about right for a late 60's / Early 70's GM in the run out...Very Nice My copies came from Dave Flynn while on one of his many missions as a Charly Rep. Wonderful,Wonderful record and a Top Spin for me in the 90's. Price can only go higher. Is my copy for sale? NOT ON YOUR NELLY 1 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim Elliott Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I've got a tape somewhere from the Yarmouth TAC weekender, about 1991 and I'm sure Guy played it as by Eula Cooper on that. I'll have to dig it art. Jim 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) I've got a tape somewhere from the Yarmouth TAC weekender, about 1991 and I'm sure Guy played it as by Eula Cooper on that. I'll have to dig it art. Jim I'd love to hear the tape Jim and any others. PS It was Eula Cooper as far as I was aware although I think most knew who it was. Linda Jones at around the same time was Lorraine Rudolph maybe although that was uncovered by the time of the Weekenders. Edited September 14, 2014 by chalky 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim Elliott Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 On the same tape Guy played Glenn Watts ' Money gives dignity' covered up as Russ Lewis! It's all smoke and mirrors this soul mullarkey;) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 My copies came from Dave Flynn while on one of his many missions as a Charly Rep. And those visits were always a laugh...always enjoyed rummaging through your shelves, Paul...happy days! Would usually pop in and see Steve Smith over in Kettering on the drive back from Leicester as well! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 KOSHER (i think) Vinyl looks about right for a late 60's / Early 70's GM in the run out...Very Nice My copies came from Dave Flynn while on one of his many missions as a Charly Rep. Wonderful,Wonderful record and a Top Spin for me in the 90's. Price can only go higher.NANCY BUTTS.JPG Is my copy for sale? NOT ON YOUR NELLY Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 Got mine off you in shop during break at uni (poly at the time). Remember Steve but not Flynny Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rudzy Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Got mine off you in shop during break at uni (poly at the time). Remember Steve but not Flynny Yes i remember you well Rob. Nice One. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 Also bought the Caressors I can't stay away and sold it to Jonah on way home. Bad day that was as only gave you £80 and sold it for £90 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) And those visits were always a laugh...always enjoyed rummaging through your shelves, Paul...happy days! Would usually pop in and see Steve Smith over in Kettering on the drive back from Leicester as well! also liked trawling through boxes, but rarely found the ones I wanted as others also wanted them. However, lots of bargains to be had, time is right for love £20, stronger than her love issue £30, put me in your pocket (issue) £30, can't be still issue £10. Apologies for diverting. Regards Edited September 15, 2014 by theothertosspot 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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