Chuck Corby And Rhythm Rascals

[Theothertosspot]

As perhaps lots are aware, Chuck Corby (I need your love - Fee Bee) and Rhythm Rascals (girl by my side -Roulette) are one and the same record. My query is why the different titles and which was released first. Which version do you prefer?

Regards

[Robbk]

Good question.  Generally, Roulette was a large, semi-major label, which leased masters from smaller labels, rather than the other way round.  So, we might go with the odds, and assume that the Fee Bee issue was released first, saw some local sales action, and was leased by Roulette for national distribution.  However, sometimes the original owner of masters which were originally leased to larger companies, when the lease rights period ran out, re-issued the cots on his own small label, for the oldies market.  Pittsburgh's Fee Bee Records was one of those small labels which operated for many years (lasting into the 1970s) re-issuing old cuts, which had been leased to larger labels during their initial run (i.e. Dell Vikings - "Come and go With Me" and "Whispering Bells").  So, this Chuck Corby and Group record MAY possibly have been leased directly to Roulette as a master (not pressed by Fee Bee), and only first released by Fee Bee several or many years later, exclusively as an oldie.

 

I will be very interested to hear the real, documented answer to this question.  But, until we get that answer, my guess would be that Fee Bee released it first, locally, in Pittsburgh, as was their modus operandi.

[Theothertosspot]

Interesting, but what explains the different title, and also there is a 13 second difference in the length of the tracks.

Regards

[Guest Dave Turner]

Doesn't mention The Rhythm Rascals release but this discog from Chuck Corby's site may or may not help

 

https://www.chuckcorby.com/discography.html

 

Slightly off topic but there was to be a film starring Chuck Colby based loosely around his life and mobster dealings. Originally it was to be called Saloonatics but for some reason it got released as "The Mob Boss and the Soul Singer". Came out on DVD in the US last July.

 

Doesn't look as if it's gonna get any Oscars for acting but interestingly in the below clip at 3.15 there's a young (actors) Chuck Colby doing "Please Don't Go"

 

I thought it kinda neat

 

[Robbk]

Interesting, but what explains the different title, and also there is a 13 second difference in the length of the tracks.

Regards

Unfortunately, I grew up a Midwesterner, and I don't know The regional and local East Coast details very much, and never talked with or worked with people from East Coast labels.  I suspect that fee bee leased the master to the version that came out on Roulette, and, some years later, (after Roulette's rights period lapsed, released an alternate version, for the oldies market.  I don't know why they changed the name of the song (unless they released it locally only, DURING Roulette's rights period, and the title change was part of the agreement, or it was to hide the release from Roulette).

[Guest]

Surprised no one has mentioned that GBMS was released on the Sonic label before Roulette stuck it out.

[Tlscapital]

As perhaps lots are aware, Chuck Corby (I need your love - Fee Bee) and Rhythm Rascals (girl by my side -Roulette) are one and the same record. My query is why the different titles and which was released first. Which version do you prefer?

Regards

But they are not the same. The Rhythm Rascals is another take of the song to Chuck Corby's.They are very similar in many ways but the overall sound is different. It could be a mix thing but the singer's voice and tone is also totally different. They are just not the same "record"-ing. Check the differences;

 

 

Always preferred the Chuck Corby to the Rhythm Rascals version. The sound is "bigger" and the overall build up of the song is there while for the Rhythm Rascals the song doesn't build up as much, it's kinda more "linear". And that very annoying sax echoing the lead singer is way too predominant to my ears on the Rhythm Rascals.

 

The Rhythm Rascals was first (defo mid-1966). Chuck was likely involved in this project somehow/somewhere (who is Bobbie Boy Butch ?) like for the Soul Communicators... and Chuck Corby's is often dated (even on his own site) to be 1967. Check all the catalogue numberings here below on the label scans.

 

Mind you that the 'A' side for the Rhythm Rascals is 'Why Did You Have To Go' and for Chuck Corby on Fee Bee 'Honey, Let Me Stay' is the 'A' side. So the tune we are talking about here were only 'B' sides on both releases. Still it may have had enough exposure through the Roulette release, that Chuck would finally re-record 'GBMS' as 'INYL'. As to why the change in the title from 'GBMS' to 'INYL', that maybe only Chuck could explain.

 

Order of releases; 

[Theothertosspot]

Surprised no one has mentioned that GBMS was released on the Sonic label before Roulette stuck it out.

[Theothertosspot]

Not mentioned it cos dod'nt know, learnings what it's all about. Thanks for info going to havo to locate one now. Regards

[Theothertosspot]

Doesn't mention The Rhythm Rascals release but this discog from Chuck Corby's site may or may not help

https://www.chuckcorby.com/discography.html

Slightly off topic but there was to be a film starring Chuck Colby based loosely around his life and mobster dealings. Originally it was to be called Saloonatics but for some reason it got released as "The Mob Boss and the Soul Singer". Came out on DVD in the US last July.

Doesn't look as if it's gonna get any Oscars for acting but interestingly in the below clip at 3.15 there's a young (actors) Chuck Colby doing "Please Don't Go"

I thought it kinda neat

https://youtu.be/MwLk88Lcr84

[Theothertosspot]

And you found this how????

Fantastic stuff.

Detectives have now't on soul hounds, the passion and drive to find out more.

Regards

[Theothertosspot]

But they are not the same. The Rhythm Rascals is another take of the song to Chuck Corby's.They are very similar in many ways but the overall sound is different. It could be a mix thing but the singer's voice and tone is also totally different. They are just not the same "record"-ing. Check the differences;

Always preferred the Chuck Corby to the Rhythm Rascals version. The sound is "bigger" and the overall build up of the song is there while for the Rhythm Rascals the song doesn't build up as much, it's kinda more "linear". And that very annoying sax echoing the lead singer is way too predominant to my ears on the Rhythm Rascals.

The Rhythm Rascals was first (defo mid-1966). Chuck was likely involved in this project somehow/somewhere (who is Bobbie Boy Butch ?) like for the Soul Communicators... and Chuck Corby's is often dated (even on his own site) to be 1967. Check all the catalogue numberings here below on the label scans.

Mind you that the 'A' side for the Rhythm Rascals is 'Why Did You Have To Go' and for Chuck Corby on Fee Bee 'Honey, Let Me Stay' is the 'A' side. So the tune we are talking about here were only 'B' sides on both releases. Still it may have had enough exposure through the Roulette release, that Chuck would finally re-record 'GBMS' as 'INYL'. As to why the change in the title from 'GBMS' to 'INYL', that maybe only Chuck could explain.

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[Theothertosspot]

Not sure how to edit quote so had to post all, anyway, personally agree RR is weaker (IMO) but love that burbling sax, although I can appreciate it being annoying to some.

Regards

Edited September 7, 2014 by theothertosspot

[Modernsoulsucks]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CHUCK-CORBY-THE-ENTREES-on-FEE-BEE-45-RPM-SOUL-/190475486733?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2c5939460d

 

Been looking to pick up a copy cheap on EBay.  Noticed these couple of months back but at the time another ad on there for same copy saying boot/repress for Pittsburgh scene.

 

Rubbish photo in the ad and record advertised looks different to copy from YT at post 12. Maybe camera ? No idea.

 

I notice comment on sleeve at post 12. Obviously it's not a '58 recording so were two coupled in 60's on release of " I need your love" or come out at any time since as a re-issue. A label listing would be helpful.

 

ROD

[Soul-slider]

Superb post! Ham acting but that film looks great, I want to see it!

[Roburt]

Some parts of your question have been answered above, but not all of them. Much of the story is told in my article that appears in the new edition of SOUL UP NORTH mag ...  

BTW, seems my article on Cody Miller & the different groups he was in, led & sang with has been held over to go in a future edition of the mag.  

Edited September 10 by Roburt

[Roburt]

. . . .   so Chuck approached the Sinceres and they agreed to go into the studio with him. For the purposes of the session and the subsequent 45 release, they were renamed the Soul Communicaters (Cleveland Martin being one of their members). To save money, Joe Averbach took two already recorded backing tracks and had Chuck pen new lyrics for both. The original cuts had been put out as by the Rhythm Rascals (Cleveland Martin once again being a member). Thus “Please Don't Go” and “Those Lonely Nights” were laid down by Chuck and the Sinceres / the Soul Communicaters in Tower Studio (New York) under the direction of Teacho Wilsure (the drummer on the session being Bernard 'Pretty' Purdie). The record was put out in Pittsburgh but failed to really register there. However, it did fare a lot better in Ohio and across southern states. Eventually copies of the single would be found by British soul fans and the B side would become a big Northern Soul sound. Much later (2005) German dance music producer Frank Popp put out "Breakaway" a song that samples "Those Lonely Nights". Chuck not knowing any of this, just moved on with his career .... 

BY THE WAY ... Joe Averbatch had been responsible for both the Dell-Vikings and Chuck Jackson's early successes. He was also the guy who sent Chuck to New York to record alternative versions of the two songs he & his group had laid down @ Golden World's studio . For that session, Chuck had to quickly pull together a new backing line-up and dubbed them the Chances. In New York, the new line-up cut revised versions of “Man Loves Two” & “Happy Go Lucky” (Sound / Veep).

Another 45 that Cleveland Martin was on ... 

 

Edited September 24 by Roburt