Eddie Foster - I Never Knew - Anyone Got An Original?

[Pete S]

If anyone who has got an original and they know 100% that it's original, I wonder if they could ring me or PM me with the run-off groove details. Yes I have read John's bootleg guide but I'd like the info straight from the horses mouth if possible. This one I've got says "I NEVER KNEW" and IN - 6311. It doesn't say IN 6311 A like John says the boot does.

Thanks in anticipation.

[Guest]

If anyone who has got an original and they know 100% that it's original, I wonder if they could ring me or PM me with the run-off groove details. Yes I have read John's bootleg guide but I'd like the info straight from the horses mouth if possible. This one I've got says "I NEVER KNEW" and IN - 6311. It doesn't say IN 6311 A like John says the boot does.

Thanks in anticipation.

Pete, Gene Robertson has one, thought he would of been on here

I'll mail him & get him to call you

Cheers mate

Dave

[Pete S]

Pete, Gene Robertson has one, thought he would of been on here

I'll mail him & get him to call you

Cheers mate

Dave

Nah he's not speaking to me after I applied for the vacant job as an MP for Birmingham

[Gene-r]

Hi Pete and Dave,

Sorry you can't get hold of me at work Dave - off sick with a head cold at the mo, so am at home!

Anyway Councillor Smith, here are the details of the Eddie Foster matrix:

SIDE A: (scratched in) "I NEVER KNEW" IN - 6311 (title positioned at 4 o'clock on circumference and number at 2 o'clock)

SIDE B: (scratched in) "I WILL WAIT" IN - 6311 (title positioned at 1 o'clock on circumference and number at 11 o'clock)

No reference is made to A or B side. The IN-6311 on both sides is quite faint, in comparison to the title scratched in the run-out.

The vinyl is heavy, with a square edge - not the thin edge familiar with the boots. It also has a distinctly broader run-in, compared to the boots.

Hope this helps Pete! I'll try and scan the matrices and post them up here in a few mins.

All the best,

Gene

Edited August 2, 2006 by Gene-R

[Gene-r]

Tried scanning the matrices, but they're too faint to show up on my scanner.

Hope the above is of help tho mate - drop us a line if you need further clarification.

[Pete S]

Gene I have taken a photo but it's not great, best I could do

[Steve Plumb]

Gene I have taken a photo but it's not great, best I could do

Hi Pete

I can see that pic pretty clearly, so if no one comes back to you i'll check me orig tonight and get back to you

Cheers

Steve

[Guest soul stormers]

If anyone who has got an original and they know 100% that it's original, I wonder if they could ring me or PM me with the run-off groove details. Yes I have read John's bootleg guide but I'd like the info straight from the horses mouth if possible. This one I've got says "I NEVER KNEW" and IN - 6311. It doesn't say IN 6311 A like John says the boot does.

Thanks in anticipation.

HI PETE

JUST HAD A LOOK AT MY COPY AND IT HAS IN-6311 IN THE RUN

HOPE THIS HELP YOU OUT

[Gene-r]

Gene I have taken a photo but it's not great, best I could do

Looks like the real deal to me Pete!

Is the label on your copy really as light as that? The originals actually have dark navy blue labels. Hope this doesn't confuse you further!

[Pete S]

Looks like the real deal to me Pete!

Is the label on your copy really as light as that? The originals actually have dark navy blue labels. Hope this doesn't confuse you further!

It's flash photography you dozy twat

[45cellar]

If anyone who has got an original and they know 100% that it's original, I wonder if they could ring me or PM me with the run-off groove details. Yes I have read John's bootleg guide but I'd like the info straight from the horses mouth if possible. This one I've got says "I NEVER KNEW" and IN - 6311. It doesn't say IN 6311 A like John says the boot does.

Thanks in anticipation.

Hi Pete

Mine is Definately an Original, it is Dark Blue Silver Writing

Deadwax only has "I NEVER KNEW" scratched in on the A

& "I WILL WAIT" on the B

I bought mine from Soul Bowl in the mid 1970's, I hope this helps

[grant]

If anyone who has got an original and they know 100% that it's original, I wonder if they could ring me or PM me with the run-off groove details. Yes I have read John's bootleg guide but I'd like the info straight from the horses mouth if possible. This one I've got says "I NEVER KNEW" and IN - 6311. It doesn't say IN 6311 A like John says the boot does.

Thanks in anticipation.

Who cares..its a bag of shite anyway

[Pete S]

Hi Pete

Mine is Definately an Original, it is Dark Blue Silver Writing

Deadwax only has "I NEVER KNEW" scratched in on the A

& "I WILL WAIT" on the B

I bought mine from Soul Bowl in the mid 1970's, I hope this helps

So you're saying it has no matrix number in the run off??

[Steve Plumb]

Checked last night Pete

Originals have IN-6311 lightly etched in the run out (very much like your pic) and the name of each track lightly etched on each side (you cannot feel it with your finger)..and that's it!

45 is vinyl. Label is deep blue and printing is sharp!

(JM's booty book quotes the differences for the dark blue counterfeit - you said you have a copy of the book?)

So you should now be able to confirm (or not) it's authenticity

Cheers

Steve

[Dazz]

So you're saying it has no matrix number in the run off??

Pete

I've got 2 copies at the moment and I'm pretty sure both are originals. The one that I think is absolutely the real deal has the titles and IN-6311 scratched in (slightly different orientation to the lad above), the printing on the label has worn a bit and it looks a bit battered but the record plays great, whereas the other copy looks and feels identical all be it in a lot better condition but doesn't play as well as the other, it has the titles scratched in but looks like the number was originally missing and somebody has added it at a later date. Both copies came from sellers in the states.

Probably just confuses the issue more. How many times was this bootlegged?

Dazz

[Gene-r]

How many times was this bootlegged?

To the best of my knowledge:

1. Dark blue issue; thin vinyl and small run-in area.

2. White demo. A tiny handful ended up on multi-coloured vinyl. Same vinyl appearance as in (1).

3. Sky-blue label with completely different typeface.

Edited August 3, 2006 by Gene-R

[45cellar]

So you're saying it has no matrix number in the run off??

Hi Pete

Sorry for late reply but I'm on nights

Just the Titles & No Number on mine.

Everything that I bought at the time from the same dealer, has been the real deal, I have no reason to doubt this copy.

For instance, I bought The Tomangoes around the same time - and it has the "Nashvile Matrix", I certainly didn't know at the time that it should have.

Back then on the lists they were described as Original - (we didn't have much in the way of guides back then) - and as I say they have proved through time to be Original as described. Everything about the record looks and feels right, the print quality, the vinyl etc

I could go on, but you know what I mean.

I wonder if 2 runs were made at the plant with the numbers added to the master later?

Edited August 3, 2006 by 45cellar

[Guest]

Hi Pete

Sorry for late reply but I'm on nights

Just the Titles & No Number on mine.

Everything that I bought at the time from the same dealer, has been the real deal, I have no reason to doubt this copy.

For instance, I bought The Tomangoes around the same time - and it has the "Nashvile Matrix", I certainly didn't know at the time that it should have.

Back then on the lists they were described as Original - (we didn't have much in the way of guides back then) - and as I say they have proved through time to be Original as described. Everything about the record looks and feels right, the print quality, the vinyl etc

I could go on, but you know what I mean.

I wonder if 2 runs were made at the plant with the numbers added to the master later?

I'm sure mine is 100% orginal and only has "I NEVER KNEW"/"I WILL WAIT" scratched in the deadwax. Bought it from well known San Fransisco area dealer, Barry Wickham. It better be real!

-Mike

[Peter Richer]

recordwanted Posted Today, 07:33 AM

 

QUOTE(45cellar @ Aug 3 2006, 05:09 PM)

Hi Pete

Sorry for late reply but I'm on nights

Just the Titles & No Number on mine.

Everything that I bought at the time from the same dealer, has been the real deal, I have no reason to doubt this copy.

For instance, I bought The Tomangoes around the same time - and it has the "Nashvile Matrix", I certainly didn't know at the time that it should have.

Back then on the lists they were described as Original - (we didn't have much in the way of guides back then) - and as I say they have proved through time to be Original as described. Everything about the record looks and feels right, the print quality, the vinyl etc

I could go on, but you know what I mean.

I wonder if 2 runs were made at the plant with the numbers added to the master later?

I'm sure mine is 100% orginal and only has "I NEVER KNEW"/"I WILL WAIT" scratched in the deadwax. Bought it from well known San Fransisco area dealer, Barry Wickham. It better be real!

-Mike

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Thanks to you guys for making these posts, and confirming that my copy is an original - with only the titles in the deadwax. I always thought it was, given the source where I acquired it, but it's good to know it is the same as those from Soul Bowl in the 1970s, and other reputable dealers.

In answer to Pete's question though, his copy fits with the description in Manship's bootleg guide as being an original, so I would guess 45cellar could well be right about two different runs.

I wonder whether you might have any more information on this John, if you're reading this??

Peter

[Guest]

After seeing the record making process, it seems they could have easily added the numbers after the first run. All they had to do was scratch it into the laquer master when they made the new pressing plates.

-Mike

[grouse]

I've had a boot and an original side by side, and IIRC the most obvious difference was the quality of the print, the orig was pin sharp lettering and the label was solid dark blue with no speckles

[45cellar]

recordwanted Posted Today, 07:33 AM

QUOTE(45cellar @ Aug 3 2006, 05:09 PM)

Hi Pete

Sorry for late reply but I'm on nights

Just the Titles & No Number on mine.

Everything that I bought at the time from the same dealer, has been the real deal, I have no reason to doubt this copy.

For instance, I bought The Tomangoes around the same time - and it has the "Nashvile Matrix", I certainly didn't know at the time that it should have.

Back then on the lists they were described as Original - (we didn't have much in the way of guides back then) - and as I say they have proved through time to be Original as described. Everything about the record looks and feels right, the print quality, the vinyl etc

I could go on, but you know what I mean.

I wonder if 2 runs were made at the plant with the numbers added to the master later?

I'm sure mine is 100% orginal and only has "I NEVER KNEW"/"I WILL WAIT" scratched in the deadwax. Bought it from well known San Fransisco area dealer, Barry Wickham. It better be real!

-Mike

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Thanks to you guys for making these posts, and confirming that my copy is an original - with only the titles in the deadwax. I always thought it was, given the source where I acquired it, but it's good to know it is the same as those from Soul Bowl in the 1970s, and other reputable dealers.

In answer to Pete's question though, his copy fits with the description in Manship's bootleg guide as being an original, so I would guess 45cellar could well be right about two different runs.

I wonder whether you might have any more information on this John, if you're reading this??

Peter

After seeing the record making process, it seems they could have easily added the numbers after the first run. All they had to do was scratch it into the laquer master when they made the new pressing plates.

-Mike

I've had a boot and an original side by side, and IIRC the most obvious difference was the quality of the print, the orig was pin sharp lettering and the label was solid dark blue with no speckles

Hi

I'm happy with the print quality on mine., as I say I have no reason to doubt this copy.

"Everything about the record looks and feels right, the print quality, the vinyl etc"

Edited August 9, 2006 by 45cellar

[45cellar]

Hi

I'm happy with the print quality on mine., as I say I have no reason to doubt this copy.

"Everything about the record looks and feels right, the print quality, the vinyl etc"

A thread from a long while ago, however, as thought 2 runs at the pressing Plant.

Both Incredibly Rare. One has just the Titles, the other has the Titles and number scratched in the Deadwax.

>>> LINK <<<

Edited April 19, 2008 by 45cellar

[Guest mel brat]

Just out of interest, when were the first (blue label) facsimile bootlegs done exactly? Any ideas? The others look nothing like originals as far as I remember...