Sellers - Get A F*cking Grip

[Godzilla]

I can't keep quiet about this any more. Don't people realise that the reason you can't sell records like that Chocolate Syrup 45 on Brown Dog or Lonette McKee on Sussex for £60  - and therefore have to keep re-listing them - is because they are all over the internet for £10 or much less?

 

I don't know how other people think, but from my perspective it completely undermines the integrity of the seller: every time I see something stupidly over-priced like that I ignore the rest of their sales, and any subsequent sales posts, because I assume that if they have anything I'm interested in, I'll be able to get it at a fraction of the price from my first google search.

 

As a sales strategy, it seems pretty flawed to me...

Edited August 21, 2014 by Godzilla

[Dave Rimmer]

Ha ha, there's one particular seller who lists on a regular basis who is ALWAYS double the price of anywhere else, and they keep listing the same records week after week.

 

Like you, I stopped looking at these listings a long time ago.

[Tolbert]

so true!

[Jnixon]

you've answered your own question / point

[Pete S]

Well let's think, where do they get these ridiculous prices from in the first place?

They copy them from someone else, or from a previous sale, or a price guide or online store.

The fact that the record is still there in whatever online store it's in, means nobody wants it at that price, therefore it must be too expensive.

Therefore, the idea is to undercut that price and everyone else too.

That's what I do, it must work, I've sold £thousands worth of records in the last 6 weeks, though I have had some fantastic quality stuff.

Oh and before anyone goes thinking I'm rich - every one was a commission sale...suits me though.

Edited August 21, 2014 by Pete S

[Peter99]

Pete S, on 21 Aug 2014 - 2:31 PM, said:

Well let's think, where do they get these ridiculous prices from in the first place?

They copy them from someone else, or from a previous sale, or a price guide or online store.

The fact that the record is still there in whatever online store it's in, means nobody wants it at that price, therefore it must be too expensive.

Therefore, the idea is to undercut that price and everyone else too.

That's what I do, it must work, I've sold £20,000 worth of records in the last 6 weeks, though I have had some fantastic quality stuff.

Oh and before anyone goes thinking I'm rich - every one was a commission sale...suits me though.

Lord Rothschild.

 

 

[Guest DELORENZO]

Need to drop my prices then 

[Sutty]

funnily enough i left 2 copies of lonette and 1 of chocolate syrup in a shop last week for £2 each as I didn't want them for myself and couldn't be bothered with trying to sell them.

 

There's a sale today on here stating you won't find it cheaper anywhere else, despite it being 150% of the price a mint copy went for only last night, and it's on ebay every week.

 

sellers asking £25 for a new 45 available on juno for under a tenner.

 

Sellers offering house records for £20-30 cos they've been played at a soul do - Check discogs guys, they often start at 50p nowadays. You could do entire set of quality vocal tracks for under a tenner.

 

i could go on... Posted after months of keeping my trap shut lol

 

all records are worthless unless someone is willing to pay the asking price, something I think a seller like Pete understands and prices to sell

 

cheers Sutty

Edited August 21, 2014 by Sutty

[Quinvy]

Trouble is, i put a record up for £75 the other day because there seems to be a lot of them around. Sold it straight away. But then saw one for £100  a few days later and that sold straight away, so now I'm thinking, shit I should of tried a hundred quid first.

[Guest Polyvelts]

What about  new releases that you can by from Juno or Soul Brother records for rrp - being offered at 20 - 30 + quid !!! You can even still buy them direct from the US label, ie Truth & Soul, Numero etc at original sale price !!! I thought it took twenty years for prices to get stupid - not twenty days !!!

 

Weird !

Edited August 21, 2014 by Polyvelts

[Jason S]

What about  new releases that you can by from Juno or Soul Brother records for rrp - being offered at 20 - 30 + quid !!! You can even still buy them direct from the US label, ie Truth & Soul, Numero etc at original sale price !!! I thought it too twenty years for prices to get stupid - not twenty days !!!

 

Weird !

 

Yeah I was amazed to see the Chelsea Wilson which I have plenty of copies of (for £8) at £12.50, for instance   Not as severe as some of his prices for new/recent releases but still in the 'in demand, out of stock everywhere else and hard to find now' bracket when they're still available with minimal googling (or at the underlined link ) 

Edited August 21, 2014 by Jason S

[Mal C]

It has got silly, and I have too agree I really tire of seeing the same listed at inflated prices every other day. What can you do though... Upto the MODS to take a view on this.

 

Malcolm

[Mike]

It has got silly, and I have too agree I really tire of seeing the same listed at inflated prices every other day. What can you do though... Upto the MODS to take a view on this.

 

Malcolm

 

 

if you do see repeated sales at the same price then help the mod team and report the sales post

 

guidelines say

 

3. No reposting of ads within 3 days, then 7 days for further reposts

 

if you see sellers ignoring this then please report it

 

mike

[Philly]

sellers asking £25 for a new 45 available on juno for under a tenner.

 

This is up on one of the FB sales pages ....

 

Dynamic Duke Royal - I wanna now (Montel Michelle) EX 750 usd
Awesome 45 which is totally unknown.

 

Available from Juno for $8.50 ... maybe he forgot to put the full stop after number 7 ??

Edited August 21, 2014 by Philly

[Sutty]

Juno is a tramp reissue isn't it? The original went for $35 in 2010. Google told me that - i've never heard of the record - although as it's 'unknown', that'll be why then

Edited August 21, 2014 by Sutty

[Philly]

https://tramprecords.bandcamp.com/

[Gibby Gibby]

OOps as a seller and a buyer its good to take offers on stuff, most of the time I say yes, and pretty fair on prices to start with. most collectors know the score.

[Jnixon]

What about  new releases that you can by from Juno or Soul Brother records for rrp - being offered at 20 - 30 + quid !!! You can even still buy them direct from the US label, ie Truth & Soul, Numero etc at original sale price !!! I thought it too twenty years for prices to get stupid - not twenty days !!!

 

Weird !

 

ive had people on here sell the those re issues as bona fide originals. one guy still had the cheek to keep the juno sticker on it and got very pissy when it got sent back.

[Modernsoulsucks]

if you do see repeated sales at the same price then help the mod team and report the sales post

 

guidelines say

 

3. No reposting of ads within 3 days, then 7 days for further reposts

 

if you see sellers ignoring this then please report it

 

mike

As long as sellers stick within these rules then it's up to them if they want to re-list at same price for next twenty years.

 

However, there is no need for Sutty or others to keep their traps shut.

 

Whilst it is not allowed to post detrimental posts on actual ads you can come on here and draw attention to inflated prices just as you would do with an EBay sale.

 

ROD

[Jnixon]

 

 

Whilst it is not allowed to post detrimental posts on actual ads you can come on here and draw attention to inflated prices just as you would do with an EBay sale.

 

ROD

 

let the floodgates open.  as people on here generally like a good debate, should this subject have it have its own subsection, im wondering?

[Pete S]

Every time someone advertises on here they should pay a fee, say 50p, for every advert they do, whether it's a one item ad or a list.  The site could make £25 a day, well over £100 a week from this and could put it back into the site or basically do what they want with it.  I advertise a lot on here, I would gladly pay for the privilige (even though I can't spell it).

At the end of the week, maybe if you've made over 20 forum posts, you get three free listings or something like that.

[Godzilla]

Whilst it is not allowed to post detrimental posts on actual ads you can come on here and draw attention to inflated prices just as you would do with an EBay sale.

 

ROD

 

 

That's exactly what I intended by naming the two records in the original post.

[Modernsoulsucks]

That's exactly what I intended by naming the two records in the original post.

I do remove comments from ads sometimes and then get accused of censorship by the poster.

 

This is just an opportunity to get the message out that comments in LAYB are fine. As it actually states in the sales guidelines.

 

ROD

[Kjw]

Every time someone advertises on here they should pay a fee, say 50p, for every advert they do, whether it's a one item ad or a list.  The site could make £25 a day, well over £100 a week from this and could put it back into the site or basically do what they want with it.  I advertise a lot on here, I would gladly pay for the privilige (even though I can't spell it).

At the end of the week, maybe if you've made over 20 forum posts, you get three free listings or something like that.

 

I would have no problem paying to sell on here - I sell on Discogs and don't get that for free

 

I think a fee for every posting may be hard to administrate but there could be a quarterly subscription charge - I think it may help to improve the quality of what is sold on here

[Pete S]

I would have no problem paying to sell on here - I sell on Discogs and don't get that for free

 

I think a fee for every posting may be hard to administrate but there could be a quarterly subscription charge - I think it may help to improve the quality of what is sold on here

 

I agree 100%.

[Jnixon]

I would have no problem paying to sell on here - I sell on Discogs and don't get that for free

 

I think a fee for every posting may be hard to administrate but there could be a quarterly subscription charge - I think it may help to improve the quality of what is sold on here

 

agreed.  someone has to chase people around to collect 50ps though. 

[Tattoodave]

I agree 100%.

Maybe the fees could help fund the Soul Source Hall Of Fame?

[Pete S]

agreed.  someone has to chase people around to collect 50ps though. 

 

OK charge £25 a quarter.  People who haven't paid subs simply get their adverts removed.  The quality should improve drastically.

[Guest Bearsy]

There are a few sellers lists I just don't bother looking through anymore as they just repeat the sales and prices never change and in some circumstances I've seen prices rise on tunes they can't sell.  

 

I would be be more than happy to pay a fee to sell on here too not that I sell often but when I do I want to sell and I have even put lists up asking for fair offers on what people would want to pay and I've sold some that way.  

[Chris Anderton]

I would be willing to pay too.

 

It would keep the chancers away.

 

Chris

[Harrogatesoul]

OK charge £25 a quarter.  People who haven't paid subs simply get their adverts removed.  The quality should improve drastically.

 

Pretty much what I was thinking too Pete. As a (irregular) seller at times would be happy at this rate. Listing fees and/or commissions etc on ebay/discogs eats up a fair few quid anyway over a few months. 

Maybe Mike & the team can add a 'subs' or 'verified seller' button?? 

[Godzilla]

There are a few sellers lists I just don't bother looking through anymore as they just repeat the sales and prices never change and in some circumstances I've seen prices rise on tunes they can't sell.  

 

I would be be more than happy to pay a fee to sell on here too not that I sell often but when I do I want to sell and I have even put lists up asking for fair offers on what people would want to pay and I've sold some that way.  

 

Every time someone advertises on here they should pay a fee, say 50p, for every advert they do, whether it's a one item ad or a list.  The site could make £25 a day, well over £100 a week from this and could put it back into the site or basically do what they want with it.  I advertise a lot on here, I would gladly pay for the privilige (even though I can't spell it).

At the end of the week, maybe if you've made over 20 forum posts, you get three free listings or something like that.

 

 

I would have no problem paying to sell on here - I sell on Discogs and don't get that for free

 

I think a fee for every posting may be hard to administrate but there could be a quarterly subscription charge - I think it may help to improve the quality of what is sold on here

 

 

agreed.  someone has to chase people around to collect 50ps though. 

 

 

I would be willing to pay too.

 

It would keep the chancers away.

 

Chris

 

Me too. I don't sell that often but I don't necessarily want something for nothing. I can see that it might to complicated logistically to set up, but I imagine it would be a sensible investment that would pay for any set-up costs quite quickly. The whole forum isn't just about sales either, so hopefully the fees charged would reflect that and would be quite reasonable.

 

I have to say though, that I've had a greater degree of satisfaction in both buying and selling on Soul Source than I have on ebay, discogs and any other site. Not that those are bad, just that it genuinely feels more like you're trading with people in a community on here.

 

Just don't get me started on that so called 'hassle free' site though...

[Pete S]

It's not just about sales either, I sell only a small percentage of stuff on here but what it does is, it gets you seen - people know what records you've got and when they talk to other people, you get mentioned, and it's all publicity, so people then contact me and ask to go on my mailing list (where most sales take place) and it's mainly because of SS.  So Mike, if you're reading this, don't feel guilty about taking money for subs, I know you like to offer it all for free but no f*cker else does.

[Jordirip]

I think you've got to be careful that you don't scare off the people who sell stuff only occasionally. For me, the most interesting sales are from people who don't do it very often and it could become boring as a buyer if only the sellers who regularly sell, and have paid their £25 subs, become the only source of vinyl on here. I occasinally sell stuff to fund other purchases, but I wouldn't bother if I had to pay £25 a quarter as it wouldn't be worth my while.

[pow wow mik]

sellers asking £25 for a new 45 available on juno for under a tenner.

 

This is up on one of the FB sales pages ....

 

Dynamic Duke Royal - I wanna now (Montel Michelle) EX 750 usd

Awesome 45 which is totally unknown.

 

Available from Juno for $8.50 ... maybe he forgot to put the full stop after number 7 ??

That seller put that up on here. In fairness, I think he's selling an original but a) its not unknown and b) the last couple on ebay went for about $150.

I know cos I was after it but realised it was absolutely impossible to dance to.]

[Jnixon]

 

 

Just don't get me started on that so called 'hassle free' site though...

 

was good when it started then people started doing what you've said in the start of the thread and it was poor. imagine 1000s of people doing that.

 

i sold loads of stuff through it but bought 2 tunes in as many years.  great for non payer fun and arguments about its simple rules. 

[Jnixon]

I think you've got to be careful that you don't scare off the people who sell stuff only occasionally. For me, the most interesting sales are from people who don't do it very often and it could become boring as a buyer if only the sellers who regularly sell, and have paid their £25 subs, become the only source of vinyl on here. I occasinally sell stuff to fund other purchases, but I wouldn't bother if I had to pay £25 a quarter as it wouldn't be worth my while.

 

i would pay it but totally agree from buyers side.

[Pete S]

I think you've got to be careful that you don't scare off the people who sell stuff only occasionally. For me, the most interesting sales are from people who don't do it very often and it could become boring as a buyer if only the sellers who regularly sell, and have paid their £25 subs, become the only source of vinyl on here. I occasinally sell stuff to fund other purchases, but I wouldn't bother if I had to pay £25 a quarter as it wouldn't be worth my while.

 

Well they could set a one off fee of 50p for occasional sellers

[Jordirip]

Well they could set a one off fee of 50p for occasional sellers

 

I wouldn't disagree with that at all in principle.

[jimmy clitheroe]

I've said it before but there's sellers on here that I never look at the lists, way over the top prices....Paul

[Chalky]

There was talk once upon a time of a shop style system, is it still a viable option?  We would have the ability to list sales once and they would be there all the time and searchable until sold, a bit like discogs. I would pay a fee for every sale   2,3 or 4 percent for instance?

Edited August 21, 2014 by chalky

[Reforee]

Well let's think, where do they get these ridiculous prices from in the first place?

They copy them from someone else, or from a previous sale, or a price guide or online store.

The fact that the record is still there in whatever online store it's in, means nobody wants it at that price, therefore it must be too expensive.

Therefore, the idea is to undercut that price and everyone else too.

That's what I do, it must work, I've sold £thousands worth of records in the last 6 weeks, though I have had some fantastic quality stuff.

Oh and before anyone goes thinking I'm rich - every one was a commission sale...suits me though.

Pete, wish you'd price them a bit dearer they may well be still available by the time I get on here to see what your selling.  

Just seen a long want ( of which there are a few, but not as many as the ones I haven't heard yet) on your current list that's already sold.........

 

 Ah well any day another list. 

 

Dave.

[Mike]

I think you've got to be careful that you don't scare off the people who sell stuff only occasionally. For me, the most interesting sales are from people who don't do it very often and it could become boring as a buyer if only the sellers who regularly sell, and have paid their £25 subs, become the only source of vinyl on here. I occasinally sell stuff to fund other purchases, but I wouldn't bother if I had to pay £25 a quarter as it wouldn't be worth my while.

 

 

It's not just about sales either, I sell only a small percentage of stuff on here but what it does is, it gets you seen - people know what records you've got and when they talk to other people, you get mentioned, and it's all publicity, so people then contact me and ask to go on my mailing list (where most sales take place) and it's mainly because of SS.  So Mike, if you're reading this, don't feel guilty about taking money for subs, I know you like to offer it all for free but no f*cker else does.

 

 

There was talk once upon a time of a shop style system, is it still a viable option?  We would have the ability to list sales once and they would be there all the time and searchable until sold, a bit like discogs. I would pay a fee for every sale   2,3 or 4 percent for instance?

 

 

thanks for all the suggestions/views site wise - I started to multi -quote but there was too many

 

there is a extra sales feature/system thats going live in the very near future

its a more formal means of selling/buying at first focusing on individual items for sale/offers

with the idea being that it will sit alongside the current sales setup

I will try and bring it up live in next couple of days and post more info as that happens

in the thread here

link to follow

thanks

mike

Edited August 21, 2014 by mike

[Benji]

All this discussion about fees just because a handfull of sellers list overpriced stuff?

[Dave Pinch]

All this discussion about fees just because a handfull of sellers list overpriced stuff?

all it means from my point of view is that the guys that sell at  high prices, prices will still be high..and i`ll have to put my prices up to cover the fees

[Pete S]

all it means from my point of view is that the guys that sell at  high prices, prices will still be high..and i`ll have to put my prices up to cover the fees

 

Come on Dave, you won't miss £25 over 3 months, you pay an awful lot more on ebay.

[Mike]

all it means from my point of view is that the guys that sell at  high prices, prices will still be high..and i`ll have to put my prices up to cover the fees

 

Dave

there will be no changes to the sales forums as far as 'fees' or similar concerned

The new feature will run along side the current sales setup

 

the new feature will be fee based 

the thinking behind this is as below

 

1. The Site  - Revenue from any fees would  improve the self supporting side of the site and thus help improve the site in many ways

 

2. Quality - A fee would improve the quality of the sales on offer in the feature by discouraging poor quality sales posts (discourage repeated posts, dead stock or unrealistic pricing }

 

3. Security - A fee would bring in a level of seller account validation (more solid ids) that is/was higher than previously

 

 

more later....

 

cheers

mike

[Dave Pinch]

Come on Dave, you won't miss £25 over 3 months, you pay an awful lot more on ebay.

i see the point that its good for someone like yourself  thats put several lists out a week..but not for someone like myself that only sells a few bits from time to time.. ive done sellin stuff on ebay anyway.... its just gonna drive more sellers into the arms of the facebook pages

[Mike]

all it means from my point of view is that the guys that sell at  high prices, prices will still be high..and i`ll have to put my prices up to cover the fees

 

i see the point that its good for someone like yourself  thats put several lists out a week..but not for someone like myself that only sells a few bits from time to time.. ive done sellin stuff on ebay anyway.... its just gonna drive more sellers into the arms of the facebook pages

 

 

just a re-post as think Dave missed my post and 'the no changes to the sales forum'   is an important point imo 

 

 

Dave

there will be no changes to the sales forums as far as 'fees' or similar concerned

The new feature will run along side the current sales setup

 

the new feature will be fee based 

the thinking behind this is as below

 

1. The Site  - Revenue from any fees would  improve the self supporting side of the site and thus help improve the site in many ways

 

2. Quality - A fee would improve the quality of the sales on offer in the feature by discouraging poor quality sales posts (discourage repeated posts, dead stock or unrealistic pricing }

 

3. Security - A fee would bring in a level of seller account validation (more solid ids) that is/was higher than previously

 

 

more later....

 

cheers

mike

 

 

an announcement thread be here

 

 

Edited August 22, 2014 by mike

[Dave Pinch]

 

just a re-post as think Dave missed my post and 'the no changes to the sales forum'   is an important point imo 

 

 

Dave

there will be no changes to the sales forums as far as 'fees' or similar concerned

The new feature will run along side the current sales setup

 

the new feature will be fee based 

the thinking behind this is as below

 

1. The Site  - Revenue from any fees would  improve the self supporting side of the site and thus help improve the site in many ways

 

2. Quality - A fee would improve the quality of the sales on offer in the feature by discouraging poor quality sales posts (discourage repeated posts, dead stock or unrealistic pricing }

 

3. Security - A fee would bring in a level of seller account validation (more solid ids) that is/was higher than previously

 

 

more later....

 

cheers

mike

 

i saw it mike... i posted up about 2 seconds later..naturally i`m all for the end of unrealistic pricing...endless sales with reductions when they obviously havent been reduced ..etc