JOE TORQUAY Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Jeanie Tracy Making New Friends C/w Tripping On The Sounds Oh yes top drawer Oakland, California jazzy dance soul. The last time we listed this highly hunted Holy-Platter a bidding Dog-fight ensued of the likes we’ve not experienced to often.. as real dust raiser. But who could blame the enthusiasm, this 45 is after all, a long-standing out-of-reach Rare-Soul trophy with a very impressive scarcity provenance. When would another come to market? Marvin Holmes’s all too short lived Bay Area label consistently distributed exquisite recordings, with this example being the best his Oakland based machine made. Horns lead the way for Jeanie’s jerky jazzed up vocal to glide through an uplifting arrangement. Shrill girls join the party as the lead vocal hits several intense peaks with consummate ease.. SEXY very SEXY soulful dance with a huge reputation.. But do not overlook the pumping slab of Sister-Funk that lay hidden on the flipside - it is already emerging as a candidate to rise high on the play lists of the New-Breed NS funk Jocks… you cannot ignore those horns… Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 1,473.00 Inspirations Your Wish Is My Command C/w I'll Take A Chance On You RARE Northern Soul classic and just darn awesome! Top side booms out the very best Chicago vocal-group Northern Soul you could ever dream of hearing, whilst the flipside is considered a Soul-harmony Grail. The most important aspect of this listing however, is two perfect labels and vinyl to match. So stunningly clean, we doubt if we’ll ever surpass this offering on all round condition. So click the sound file, we’ll let “The Inspirations” do the rest of the talking… Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 1,073.00 Pulse Pulse Wanna hear some killer horns to make ya’dance? Check out this, so tough to find late 70s New York indie, offering 8 tracks of Soul-Dance & Boogie. Most of which never enjoyed 45 or 12” release. We’ve pulled 3 tracks from side one all shimmering dancers with “Sunshine” the standout track & “It’s A New Day” showcasing closely knitted harmonies surfing strong upbeat dance rhythms. With first track on the album “Middleman” blasts off the album with rampaging horns, violent drums race along with a booming vocal pulling it all together. Flip it over all tracks are upbeat, frantic total high-octane dance music we chose “Down Right Nasty” for the file but it could have been any of them. Fully 4 belting dancers on the flip alone. One of he great 70s dance albums ever made, benefiting from skilled horn playing and Rodney Brown’s guitar rhythms.. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 357.00 Larry Williams & Johnny Watson Too Late C/w Two For The Price Of One Hoy! Hey Mr. Watson, Listen To What the Lady told me! Said Larry I’m Sorry I Gotta Go ‘cause I Found Me A New Love That I love More I Know That Must Have Been A Bitter Pill For You To Take Sure Was Man! It’d Make Your Poor Heart Wanna Break This Is What Told Her.. You And You’re New Love Keep On Keeping On I Know That Loving Feeling Is Gone.. TOO LATE!!! TOO LATE!! and later the greatest lyric line in a soul record ever sung.. “I Don’t Need No Woman - To Help Me Starve To Death..!” They just don’t make music in this league any more… THIS IS NORTHERN SOUL!!! Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 236.00 Ronnie & Robin As Long As You Lovbe Me (i'll Stay) In short - simply one of THE most popular Northern Soul floorpackers of the moment.. Here it is, as an eye-catching White Demo original. Click the soundfile not just to be catapulted back to 1974 when this was one of the Northern Soul scenes most wanted. But to be rocketed forward to the forthcoming NS events of 2014, when this tune will be the starting gun for the dancefloor crush. So popular! Can you do an oldies set without this guaranteed to remove bums of seats…spin. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 284.00 Little Jerry Williams Just What Do You Plan To Do About It C/w Baby You're My Everything This week two British offerings come from one of Britain’s most desired labels. Jerry Williams one of Northern Soul’s eternal heroes for his “If You Ask Me (Because I Love You) and for his mistake twang in highly pitched emotional voice. Expressive delivery is Jerry’s trademark, invariably accompanied by full orchestra backing using all manner of instruments to fill the atmosphere. We’ve started with catchy dance side, stabbing horns prompt proceedings as Jerry is off and running flexing those wondrous tonsils whilst unobtrusive girls purr in the background, just great but neglected Northern Soul. The Beat Ballad side Jerry starts his journey of moving tributes to his wife Yvonne; with “Baby You’re My Everything” laying the foundations for his greatest moment that was just two more releases away. Next he did the staggering “Baby Bunny (Sugar Honey)” each time building another layer to his huge productions until he gave birth to “If You Ask Me” A massive talent, totally at home with the rich big production.. Ooh the music was so good, I almost forgot to mention this listing is a gorgeous, irresistible 1965 British WHITE DEMO! Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 110.00 Jackie Forrest Show Me How To Love How many oldies Dj’s can boast of having and original press of this in their box. So very, very seldom comes to market, this simultaneous Wigan Casino & Cleethorpes Pier favourite, has remained Unicorn-Rare for near 4 decades now. For those of you intent on amassing all the NS Classics from the golden days of the seventies, that these two legendary clubs played. You will find this classic one of the very, very tough ones to snare. In flawless condition, still sitting snugly in it’s birth-sleeve - near impossible. Click the soundfile to be taken back to the days of Jeanette Harper, Rain, Muriel Day, Susan Coleman styled sweet girl vocal grooves, were the order of the day. This is CASINO!!! and THE PIER revisited. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 299.00 Spencer Wiggins What Do You Think About My Baby C/w Love's Crime One for the serious seeker of rare 45s by Soul Music’s most revered artists. Spencer Wiggins one of Memphis’s greatest sons with his first solo 45. Totally Dog-Rare and it offers potent horn driven Northern Soul one side and bluesy Deep Soul on the other, Immortalized on his vast CD compilations courtesy of Ace/Kent determination to bring his talents to the wider audience …but very few own his the complete vinyl works. For his debut solo 45 on this highly regarded seldom-seen off shot of the Goldwax label. Mr. Wiggins teams up with Isaac Hayes & Gene Bowlegs Miller and delivers a powerful statement of intent. Relentless Northern Soul that has yet to grace NS turntables with any consistency and utterly perfect for the “Big Hall” R&B orientated dance events. Having said that, this 45 perhaps more importantly marks the birth of a great solo artist after honing his rasping vocal in his formative years with several Memhis based Gospel Groups. Rare and essential if you’re serious about owning and completing “The Greats” or you just wanna rip a dancefloor up..? Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 108.00 Ray Pollard The Drifter C/w Let Him Go (and Let Me Love You) THE voice of 60s New York guided by the highly industrious pairing of Gerry Granahan & Arnold Goland, a duo who were behind so many great East Coast 60s recordings. To have a vocalist of Ray Pollard’s stature standing before them in the studio, must have been a thrill. THen give the team the fabulously stirring lyrics of Bob Feldman, Jerry Goldstein & Richard Gottehrer you know something special is about to be born. It is no accident the greatest songs and performances are crafted, it takes a fusion of stand-out talent to achieve it. This offering is of course one of the most-immense Beat-Ballads ever crafted, it sits deep in the heart of all Northern Soul fans..it is after all peerless Soul. Click the soundfile and let the “team” and Ray’s prodigious voice do all the talkin’… ownership is imperative..isn’t it Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 461.00 Tamla Motown Revue The Tamla Motown Show To celebrate EMI’s 1965 launch of the UK Tamla Motown with TMG501 all the way from HITVILLE U.S.A. came the Motor Town Revue. (see scan) This historical 8 program carries adverts for the record releases Album & Ep’s Bio’s and great artist pics on The Supremes, Martha & The Vandellas, Smokey Robinson & the Miracles, Stevie Wonder & Earl Van Dyke. plus EMI take the opportunity to promote their own R&B man George Fame and his Blue Flames who come into the tour after Martha Reeves leaves the stage. We have only once before auction this program, and that copy was nothing like the pristine condition this example is. Near 50s year old and looks cleaner than most copies would have looked the day after the concert. If you love te history of the Soul scene this program is crucial .. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 78.00 Turner Bros Running In The Rain C/w Let's Go Fishing Oh so right for today… …as Northern Soul embraces retro Funk. Sparking euphoric recall of high-stacked hair perms, blazing flares, floppy hats, platform shoes this overlooked Indianapolis flipside has snoozed of the reverse of a “Soul Essence” classic for too long. Wake up to a perfect example of evocative street-Funk! Jetting us back to “Black Belt Jones” “Police Story” “Sweetback’s Baadasssss Song” “Starsky and Hutch” …this is no “Silver Lady”.. this in in-your-ear Dance-Funk with stabbing horns, classy jazzy keyboard weaving, then a glorious wave of trumpets lifts this instrumental onto a different level; an innovative slow-drag mini-interval, then with perfect timing it detonates back into character..damn good FUNK This is gonna stir a few DJ’s and impress all dancers smitten by the 70s retro awareness it ignites. Flip it back, for a deliciously rolled out soulful mid-tempo that has sat high in minds of the appreciative attenders of those windswept weekends in April. Where a gentle dancefloor rare-soul sway is the order of the day, as it “mellows” down at certain times.. only to be shook back into life by a Gavin Page “bomb” Two great sides, one we feel with huge potential to impress and again elevate this rare 45 into “most-wanted” status. Street FUNK at it’s most impressive - plus a Soulful Stepper at it’s most refreshing.. what’s not to crave? Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 177.00 Johnny Monday Don't Put The Hurt On Me The former 80’s cover-up Jack Montgomery “Silly Rumours”* that has in the hearts of the dedicated crowd that kept teh Northern Soul scene running through that sparse attendance decade - when marriage, children and jail got in the way of the most important thing in life.. NS music! There is no mention of who the male-vocal group backing on the fabulous example Texas Northern Soul but they elevate this Tex-Mex brass bolstered mid-tempo into the top-drawer as the blend of “Johnny’s” expressive vocal, those Mariachi-influenced trumpets and the rich male group harmony chorus, knit together into one velvety dance groove. This 45 on it’s inception to Northern Soul turntable could easily without a raised eyebrow been covered up as The Volumes, Monorays, Servicemen or what vocal-group jumped to mind.. Single artist credit, but essentially a truly fine vocal group offering.. that only occasionally comes to market. Tony Smith Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 210.00 Delrays Incorporated Destination Unknown Distinctive intros.. This Cleethorpes Pier/Winter Gardens anthem has one of those unique beginnings that had the crowd springing to their feet on the first note. From the era of the mid 70s when the Northern Soul DJ sets were expanding into a funkier atmosphere. Funny that, as once again the enterprising Northern Soul scene goes full circle bringing this style forward to a solid position of “In” sound of this time. But this 45 is so much more than just flavour-of-the-month. Collectors of the original first presses will know this is so very hard to acquire as the genuine article. True soul fans will be swooning at the superior lead vocal delivering a tortured performance after the placid cymbal stroking intro and the decidedly subtle Wah-wah licks. The dancers would soon learn that this calm before the storm would explode into a whirlpool of falsetto harmony backing, potent horns, and ear-piercing heights the lead would reach for. Then the tranquil intro returns on the last few turns of this Miami masterpiece. PERFECT! 100% original first press, other than two light marks on the Deep Soul flipside surface, this 45 is impeccable… as is Willie Clarke’s direction. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 861.00 Ty Karim & George Griffin Keep On Doin'whatcha' Doin' C/w Catch Action Rare Californian 8.00 minute 12” version from the Queen of Los Angeles Soul! Flawless 1980 press still in shrink wrapping and we believe played only once, for the making of the soundfile attached.. This highly regarded “Diva” sadly recorded so little through the 70s and 80s but lost none of her powerful presence. On this LONG VERSION version her voice lifts this dance tune every time she lets loose with her matchless voice, calming delivered, exacting and rippling with explosive power. Note: condition could hardly be finer Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 56.00 Soul City Everybody Dance Now C/w Who Knows Imagine in 1966 being in one of the 100’s of Music-curious MODS who frequented the Twisted Wheel, The Scene, The Mojo, The Beachcomber, The Night Owl etc etc. Well almost every English city had Soul allnighter by the time the glorious year of ‘66 kicked in. So imagine finding this on a market stall, shop cut out bin or more likely special ordered off a Record Mirror review or the new release sheets. SOUL CITY - EVERYBODY DANCE NOW - would just scream BUY ME as would the Cameo Parkway label. But they deleted 45s so quickly in the 60s, if you were not an out-of-the-box record collector or 45 forager this beauty would have passed you by and taunted you for the rest of the 60s as DJ’s flaunted it on those Niter turntables. But in our haste to secure and play the thumpin’ Northern Soul 45s that rattle dancefloor we overlook some real masterpieces which “WHO KNOWS” on the flip certainly is. Drenched in emotion, dripping with soul and rippling with anguish; a finer down-beat experience would be hard to match. Again the music has took my thoughts away from the fact this listing is a flawless, 1966 British rarity and a MOD / Wheel timeless classic in flawless condition through out. Check out “Who Knows” today it is my fave tune! Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 247.00 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mister Fish Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Jeanie Tracy WOW! glad I got one last year. He he. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Pete S Posted July 30, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2014 Oh dear. I sold a Williams & Watson demo in pic sleeve for £75 and a Ray Pollard same as this for £150 two weeks ago. These auction bidders really do have more money than sense don't they. 11 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Ty Karim & George Griffin was a bargain but Manship very rarely gets good prices on things like this. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 I was talking to a mate only last night who told me someone had offered him £300+ for his Ray Pollard yonks ago - and he refused to sell Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) I was talking to a mate only last night who told me someone had offered him £300+ for his Ray Pollard yonks ago - and he refused to sell As I say, I rate it at half that price and the issue less. And prove it by selling it for that. UK demo £400 maybe. But Williams & Watson, really, there was a lad on here a fortnight back trying to get £125 for it so I thought well I've got this for £50 at the moment, I wonder if I could get £75 (which I did). I maintain that is the 'correct' price. Edited July 30, 2014 by Pete S Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Scal Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 No,no,no.....are these people insane.....way over the top.....madness! Dosen't do the Scene any favours at all, it's all negative. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) I wonder if John runs a little auction item Soul night in Canary Wharf, for bankers and other over paid employees!! Edited July 30, 2014 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Pete S Posted July 30, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2014 No,no,no.....are these people insane.....way over the top.....madness! Dosen't do the Scene any favours at all, it's all negative. As does the knock on effect which is to prompt clueless sellers to suddenly matchg the prices that the records sold in auction, and 6 months along the line, they become almost the accepted prices - meanwhile people like me selling them at what I regard as the fair price are told they're "giving" stuff away selling it so cheaply. So what? Moaning because you're getting a bargain? 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Scal Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Let's get some things correct here, Jeanie Tracey, Ray Pollard not rare by any means, in demand maybe. The Delreys Incorporated not rare. What next, Andrea Henry going for £700+? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Mal C Posted July 30, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2014 I think we should be boyed by the fact that there are still folk that buy and sell at realistic prices, if we keep making our voices heard on this matter John Mamships auction will remain a playground for people with more cash than sense, they are welcome to it, I've got along quite nicely for over 25 years of collecting pretty much without paying his extortionate prices, and let's not forget certain folk on this site that sell daily on here, don't contribute to the debate what so ever, and still list the same records well over a year since they first went up... Malcolm 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Scal Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 So now I get why we have a price guide....so that we are up to date with the latest values. Tell me, as I am a naive soul, who produces the tome of "expert" knowledge....??? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mister Fish Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Let's get some things correct here, Jeanie Tracey, Ray Pollard not rare by any means, in demand maybe. The Delreys Incorporated not rare. What next, Andrea Henry going for £700+? I don't think Jeanie Tracy is an easy one. Wasn't even that easy to find at release. Even goes for £800-£1,000 on ebay for a clean copy. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Jeannie Tracy was here in supply as a newish release Soul Bowl had them……but they've all dried up, but this price is very very high indeed. Obviously two people really wanted it…. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Bugger - just sold a Ray Pollard mint UK copy for £300 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mister Fish Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Jeannie Tracy was here in supply as a newish release Soul Bowl had them……but they've all dried up, but this price is very very high indeed. Obviously two people really wanted it…. Got a Connie Laverne in a soul pack from soul bowl thought i'd done ever so well selling it at the casino for £1.50. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Scal Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 I had loads of them, she sent me a lot of copies, it was in Black Wax and Contempo along with Dorothy Morrison. I gave my Mum a copy, I couldn't get rid of it....more than a handful in the '70's in the same hand meant that it wasn't rare, and more copies were just around the corner. I flogged Neil Rushton around 13 copies at The Ritz for about £1:00 each. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Got a Connie Laverne in a soul pack from soul bowl thought i'd done ever so well selling it at the casino for £1.50. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ncfc Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Pulse wtf.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ncfc Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Ty Karim & George Griffin was a bargain but Manship very rarely gets good prices on things like this.surley £20 tops thats if you can find someone who wants it. Edited July 30, 2014 by NCFC Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ladymidnight Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 surley £20 tops thats if you can find someone who wants it. I'll buy all the copies you can find at £20, sells for 2-3 times that on the regular. Pulse was pretty much going rate as well in recent years. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ncfc Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Plenty of mugs out their then. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Nobody mentioned the inspirations on Midas.. A fair price I spoze Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ncfc Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 That is a hard 45 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ladymidnight Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Plenty of mugs out their then. Nothing new there:) 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Aaron Darcy Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Jeanie Tracy WOW! glad I got one last year. He he. not that kind money in a million years. £500- 700 hundred tops Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Aaron Darcy Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Oh dear. I sold a Williams & Watson demo in pic sleeve for £75 and a Ray Pollard same as this for £150 two weeks ago. These auction bidders really do have more money than sense don't they. its not question of money ' they are absolute idiots. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Aaron Darcy Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 As does the knock on effect which is to prompt clueless sellers to suddenly matchg the prices that the records sold in auction, and 6 months along the line, they become almost the accepted prices - meanwhile people like me selling them at what I regard as the fair price are told they're "giving" stuff away selling it so cheaply. So what? Moaning because you're getting a bargain? I have to say Pete ' you speak lot of sense. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Aaron Darcy Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Nobody mentioned the inspirations on Midas.. A fair price I spoze I disagree £750- 850 a fair price' great tune though. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Really surprised by the Williams and Watson. £150 in a picture sleeve would be the going rate but most would settle for the record alone. Someone evidently has more money than the rest of us and logically goes to the top man in the trade. After taxes and commission, John has to please customers, consigners and himself plus a large staff so I reckon today's auction prices are about right. I bought Too Late from Soul Bowl in 1976 and sold it at Wigan for the same price, £5.00...funny old game. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim G Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) Interesting to read the comments on here every week about JM auction. To me he is the Christies or Sotheby's of the record auction world. He will nearly always archive far higher prices due to reputation for quality (which has taken years the nurture ) and his global appeal. Like Christies etc., local auction houses sometimes have item for sale that may, in the eyes of the local experts, be worth "X", but once a Christies or the like get the same item it automatically is assumed to be special because of who is auctioning it and they achieve X+% due to the demographic of the bidders and their reputation for quality. Whether this is true or not is subjective, it is just my opinion having known someone who worked at Christies for a year and having observed the JM auctions for over a decade. Sometimes he does not achieve as good a price as Ebay or another sales channel, but they are exceptions than the norm. Have good day all, I am off to ebay to seek out stuff I can afford and is quality! (IMHO) Edited July 31, 2014 by jim g Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jnixon Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Oh dear. I sold a Williams & Watson demo in pic sleeve for £75 and a Ray Pollard same as this for £150 two weeks ago. These auction bidders really do have more money than sense don't they. ive come to the conclusion many who bid on here must be money rich and time poor. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Bugger - just sold a Ray Pollard mint UK copy for £300 Good price if it was an issue Julian! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Dean Posted July 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2014 Wasn't going to comment but a pm converstaion prompted me to. As I'm sure many of us can, I can get quite quite precious about the "scene" that I grew up with, in fact it may be more accurate to say the scene that grew me up. That "scene" is gone, I enjoy what we have but it isn't what we had. In my opinion there may be occasions where what appear to most us to be inflated prices are paid by someone who simply wants a record that doesn't come to market so much they will pay what it takes to get it. We should remember that within an auction it isn't one person willing to pay that it's at least 2 willing to pay one bid less. If that's the case, best wishes (not that anyone would care!) to them, if it means so much to you to own it and you have the money then bloody good luck to you. But I also think there's a status collection outside of what most would understand to be NS circles, and that's just life. For me it's not that far away from some div (used historically) putting on some bags, sticking some repro badges on a bag containing repro shirts and pretending they are part of a way of life. Throwing money at records without appreciation of what that record means to others won't in my eyes make you part of a northern soul thing, past or present. JM gets great prices, and if I was selling EX/Mint rarities I guess I would give him a call. But, one sale in a JM auction doesn't mean that suddenly becomes the price for every VG copy out there. There are different markets at play. Credit to those who continue to price for what they see as a fair price, it would be stupid to criticise someone for providing me with what I see as a bargain. I think we need to recognise that there are different markets here that affect but don't entirely govern each other, and if we have a bit of knowledge to recognise a good price as well as an inflated one then that's some reward for our hobby (not a way of life!). Think it's always been thus. Some people will pay stupid prices in the moment either because of passion or resources. A little tale: Mid or Late 70's I caught the X67 to Manchester with Fran 'Booby' Morgan from Newark, to go onto Wigan. I think it must have been an "oldies" Friday nighter because his fiance had given him either a deposit or first mortgage payment (memory not great), I think around £100, to pay into building society on Sat morning on the way back. I do seem to remember this was to secure the house purchase one way or another. He spent it on on an Eddie Garrigan - I Wish I Was in the record bar that night. Now Eddie Garrigan must have just have broke big, hence the price. Lost the house and his relationship, heh but he had an Eddie Garrigan !! I know, big deal given todays availability, but he wanted it, and he wanted it that night. I guess for me those buying with passion make me smile, those buying with resources make me jealous. Those buying without appreciation I'll choose to ignore. 6 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Johnny One Trout Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Ty Karim & George Griffin was a bargain but Manship very rarely gets good prices on things like this. Really? I thought it was about right, the 7" is much harder and there are at least two versions of this tune that are better (for that is) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 surley £20 tops thats if you can find someone who wants it. If you got one you can sell me for £20 I'll have it as can sell it on for treble that several times over. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulmanstu Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Today I received a copy of a want of mine .. I've been looking out for it over the last 6/8 weeks I've seen 3 on here in varying condition . £125 £90 £75 .. It's in manships guide at £150 .. I have just paid £60 for mine and am well happy .. Stonewall mint lol . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Carlf Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Really surprised by the Williams and Watson. £150 in a picture sleeve would be the going rate but most would settle for the record alone. Someone evidently has more money than the rest of us and logically goes to the top man in the trade. After taxes and commission, John has to please customers, consigners and himself plus a large staff so I reckon today's auction prices are about right. I bought Too Late from Soul Bowl in 1976 and sold it at Wigan for the same price, £5.00...funny old game. I paid a fiver for it at the Wigan nighter in late 1977. Put a big hole in my wage packet, £19 then. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Good price if it was an issue Julian! Yes, Pete, an issue. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I paid a fiver for it at the Wigan nighter in late 1977. Put a big hole in my wage packet, £19 then. I wonder if it was the same one? Can't remember the date I sold it but the first guy I showed it to fetched his mate from the Record Bar and he snapped it up. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ncfc Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 If you got one you can sell me for £20 I'll have it as can sell it on for treble that several times over. Got it as a new release,got shot years ago. Not the best record around thats why it struggled on auction. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Oh dear. I sold a Williams & Watson demo in pic sleeve for £75 and a Ray Pollard same as this for £150 two weeks ago. These auction bidders really do have more money than sense don't they. Pete, the white demo probably never came with the picture sleeve - you could have kept the sleeve and married it up with an issue at a later date. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Pete, the white demo probably never came with the picture sleeve - you could have kept the sleeve and married it up with an issue at a later date. Surely more than likely to have a pic sleeve on the promos I'd have thought? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dobber Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 whether people are paying a lot,or to much for a record,or getting a bargain,lets just be grateful that people are still buying these bloody records! and also they have a desire to own the originals and not been content with buying them awful lookalikes off ebay! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Souljazera Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I wonder if John runs a little auction item Soul night in Canary Wharf, for bankers and other over paid employees!! Hit the nail on the head !!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Souljazera Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 ive come to the conclusion many who bid on here must be money rich and time poor. Couldnt agree more !!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Souljazera Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Jeanie Tracy WOW! glad I got one last year. He he. Struggled to sell it at 500 for many years !!! That price is just crazy.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 ive come to the conclusion many who bid on here must be money rich and time poor. That's quite sad to see really, the whole thrill of collecting used to be in searching out the record, finding it, getting it as cheap as possible, but the thrill of the chase was always the main thing for me. I don't think I'd enjoy sitting at home with a wallet stacked up to the ceiling going "that one, that one, that one" without giving a second thought to how much it was going to cost me. Nice position to be in, but collecting the lazy way. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Struggled to sell it at 500 for many years !!! That price is just crazy.... I thought it was a 400 quid tune. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Wasn't going to comment but a pm converstaion prompted me to. As I'm sure many of us can, I can get quite quite precious about the "scene" that I grew up with, in fact it may be more accurate to say the scene that grew me up. That "scene" is gone, I enjoy what we have but it isn't what we had. In my opinion there may be occasions where what appear to most us to be inflated prices are paid by someone who simply wants a record that doesn't come to market so much they will pay what it takes to get it. We should remember that within an auction it isn't one person willing to pay that it's at least 2 willing to pay one bid less. If that's the case, best wishes (not that anyone would care!) to them, if it means so much to you to own it and you have the money then bloody good luck to you. But I also think there's a status collection outside of what most would understand to be NS circles, and that's just life. For me it's not that far away from some div (used historically) putting on some bags, sticking some repro badges on a bag containing repro shirts and pretending they are part of a way of life. Throwing money at records without appreciation of what that record means to others won't in my eyes make you part of a northern soul thing, past or present. JM gets great prices, and if I was selling EX/Mint rarities I guess I would give him a call. But, one sale in a JM auction doesn't mean that suddenly becomes the price for every VG copy out there. There are different markets at play. Credit to those who continue to price for what they see as a fair price, it would be stupid to criticise someone for providing me with what I see as a bargain. I think we need to recognise that there are different markets here that affect but don't entirely govern each other, and if we have a bit of knowledge to recognise a good price as well as an inflated one then that's some reward for our hobby (not a way of life!). Think it's always been thus. Some people will pay stupid prices in the moment either because of passion or resources. A little tale: Mid or Late 70's I caught the X67 to Manchester with Fran 'Booby' Morgan from Newark, to go onto Wigan. I think it must have been an "oldies" Friday nighter because his fiance had given him either a deposit or first mortgage payment (memory not great), I think around £100, to pay into building society on Sat morning on the way back. I do seem to remember this was to secure the house purchase one way or another. He spent it on on an Eddie Garrigan - I Wish I Was in the record bar that night. Now Eddie Garrigan must have just have broke big, hence the price. Lost the house and his relationship, heh but he had an Eddie Garrigan !! I know, big deal given todays availability, but he wanted it, and he wanted it that night. I guess for me those buying with passion make me smile, those buying with resources make me jealous. Those buying without appreciation I'll choose to ignore. Great story Dean. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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