Premium Stuff Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Hope you kept your pennies in readiness Mr Dog https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/auction/9212/stick-by-me-baby Nice That is a great write up. Mr Manship does it again Cheers Richard
Theresa Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Premium Stuff, on 17 Jul 2014 - 6:10 PM, said: Nice That is a great write up. Mr Manship does it again Cheers Richard Ahem, WHO did the write-up? 1
Pete S Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Ahem, WHO did the write-up? Whoever it is has a phD in talking b*llocks it's a deeper shade of green oh wow and the "2nd pressing" is just so common.... Edited February 7, 2015 by pikeys dog swearing - workplace filters 2
Swifty Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I didn't realise there were 2 pressings , I remember my mate Rob Thomas having one with a chip out of the run in . So were they pressed at different times ? and if so why , did it sell a load on release. Or am I talking bolleaux ?
Premium Stuff Posted July 17, 2014 Author Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Whoever it is has a phD in talking b*llocks it's a deeper shade of green oh wow and the "2nd pressing" is just so common.... Come on - that is not b*llocks Pete - it's proper, proper knowledge about a stupidly rare 45 and the distinguishing marks between two different copies. It's a level of knowledge and vinyl expertise that many people could only wish for. Plus, he has the record as well If you were on the receiving end of such a comment I don't reckon you would be too impressed. Looks like you're actually having a pop at my friend Tee - rather than Mr Manship - as it seems she may have crafted the blurb from her post above. I'm sure a polite retraction will put you back on her Christmas card list Richard Edited February 7, 2015 by pikeys dog swearing - workplace filters
Grayman45 Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I didn't realise there were 2 pressings , I remember my mate Rob Thomas having one with a chip out of the run in . So were they pressed at different times ? and if so why , did it sell a load on release. Or am I talking bolleaux ? There was a blue one as well - not sure how thick it was.
Swifty Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 There was a blue one as well - not sure how thick it was. Yes had the Blue Boot when I was a youngster
Julianb Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 The one on Manship's looks and describes suspiciously like the ones that Mr Phil Dick and myself own! 1
Pete S Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Come on - that is not b*llocks Pete - it's proper, proper knowledge about a stupidly rare 45 and the distinguishing marks between two different copies. It's a level of knowledge and vinyl expertise that many people could only wish for. Plus, he has the record as well If you were on the receiving end of such a comment I don't reckon you would be too impressed. Looks like you're actually having a pop at my friend Tee - rather than Mr Manship - as it seems she may have crafted the blurb from her post above. I'm sure a polite retraction will put you back on her Christmas card list Richard Yeah that's going to happen. Edited February 7, 2015 by pikeys dog swearing - workplace filters 1
Pete S Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Come on - that is not b*llocks Pete - it's proper, proper knowledge about a stupidly rare 45 and the distinguishing marks between two different copies. It's a level of knowledge and vinyl expertise that many people could only wish for. Plus, he has the record as well Please...someone pass the sick bucket.... Edited February 7, 2015 by pikeys dog swearing - workplace filters 2
KevH Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Ahem, WHO did the write-up? Crikey,women using micrometers.!! What ever next.? Get you Mrs 1.18mm. Edited July 17, 2014 by KevH 3
El Corol Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I wonder what the description will be when he auctions off one of the "far commoner 2nd run" I bet it wont contain that phrase.
Popular Post Pete S Posted July 17, 2014 Popular Post Posted July 17, 2014 I wonder what the description will be when he auctions off one of the "far commoner 2nd run" I bet it wont contain that phrase. The "Once thought to be" far commoner 2nd run 4
Popular Post Theresa Posted July 17, 2014 Popular Post Posted July 17, 2014 KevH, on 17 Jul 2014 - 8:10 PM, said: Crikey,women using micrometers.!! What ever next.? Get you Mrs 1.18mm. It's not the first tool I've had in my hand Mr Holmes, and I'll wager it won't be the last If a write-up seems curiously precise, with in-depth research, a dearth of extraneous apostrophes, and contains no obvious spelling mistakes or grammatical faux pas... it JUST might be one of mine 10
Grayman45 Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 It's not the first tool I've had in my hand Mr Holmes, and I'll wager it won't be the last If a write-up seems curiously precise, with in-depth research, a dearth of extraneous apostrophes, and contains no obvious spelling mistakes or grammatical faux pas... it JUST might be one of mine Even the description of a description is beautifully described!!! 2
Modernsoulsucks Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I sold that Phil some 2 years back. Got 2 copies at the time back in 90's. I think once you bring micrometers into it you lose the mystique, passion and romance. Rather like referring to Mr. Darcy as a 6' 2" 182lb Caucasian male rather than "his fine tall person, handsome features, noble mien". On the whole though I'd rather read T's 45 flights of fancy than that bloody book. ROD 2
Frankie Crocker Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) It's not the first tool I've had in my hand Mr Holmes, and I'll wager it won't be the last If a write-up seems curiously precise, with in-depth research, a dearth of extraneous apostrophes, and contains no obvious spelling mistakes or grammatical faux pas... it JUST might be one of mine Couldn't read past the second paragraph as there were commas missing after 'mine' and 'eyes'... Scanning the remainder, green, silver and mint were all spelt with an upper case letter so I just gave up... Seriously, a great write-up for a truly great record. Oh, I thought the second press had dimples rather than pimples - any further info on this? Edited July 17, 2014 by FRANKIE CROCKER 1
Popular Post Modernsoulsucks Posted July 17, 2014 Popular Post Posted July 17, 2014 Second pressing easy to spot as if spun backwards it plays Ybab em yb kcits" ROD 6
Douglaschip Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Sitting here laughing out loud - topics / posts like this are why I love Soul Source so much - keep them coming - marvellous!!
Guest alison Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 It's not the first tool I've had in my hand Mr Holmes, and I'll wager it won't be the last If a write-up seems curiously precise, with in-depth research, a dearth of extraneous apostrophes, and contains no obvious spelling mistakes or grammatical faux pas... it JUST might be one of mine Passionately and precisely written Duchess, and a powerhouse of a record. I also have my own micrometer
Grayman45 Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 It's a fantastic write up. But the starting bid kind of brings it back down to earth.
Popular Post Marc Forrest Posted July 17, 2014 Popular Post Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) I didn't realise there were 2 pressings , I remember my mate Rob Thomas having one with a chip out of the run in . So were they pressed at different times ? and if so why , did it sell a load on release. Or am I talking bolleaux ? The Salvadors where originally from St.Louis and did local backing at the Riviera nightclub there for Soul acts when they were in town, E. Rodney Jones was a local radio legend there before he went on to bigger things in 1965 at WVON in Chicago, after he had brought the Salvadors over to record their first record in Chicago (Nike) he brought them to Jo Armstead to record again this time SBMB on Wise World. I think the second press was done (local) for local sales in their homebase St.Louis, at least the rarer press is often talked about as the "St. Louis press". Props to Boba for his great radio interview with one remaining member of the Salvadors back in the day. RIP. Edited July 17, 2014 by Marc Forrest 4
Popular Post Quinvy Posted July 18, 2014 Popular Post Posted July 18, 2014 Never mind the Salvadors, the Appointments wow, that is rare. Where's that scratch card? 5
Swifty Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 The Salvadors where originally from St.Louis and did local backing at the Riviera nightclub there for Soul acts when they were in town, E. Rodney Jones was a local radio legend there before he went on to bigger things in 1965 at WVON in Chicago, after he had brought the Salvadors over to record their first record in Chicago (Nike) he brought them to Jo Armstead to record again this time SBMB on Wise World. I think the second press was done (local) for local sales in their homebase St.Louis, at least the rarer press is often talked about as the "St. Louis press". Props to Boba for his great radio interview with one remaining member of the Salvadors back in the day. RIP.
Pete S Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 So they do a pressing, then replace that with a damaged master plate to do a second run? 3
Guest Bearsy Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) So they do a pressing, then replace that with a damaged master plate to do a second run? First pressing done in St Louis then another press was done in later in Chicago. Or visa versa lol . I wonder how many were pressed in St. Louis because if it was popular enough to do a second press then just how many were pressed in Chicago. Did they pull it after a few pimples were discovered as a pressing plate fault or did they just press a few to use as demos in both places ? Edited July 18, 2014 by Bearsy
Grayman45 Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 It's a fantastic write up. But the starting bid kind of brings it back down to earth. I'll take that back. Just seen current price
Popular Post Theresa Posted July 18, 2014 Popular Post Posted July 18, 2014 (Just for Rod's benefit ) "It is a truth universally acknowledged" ha ha, that yes, first press was in St Louis on the thicker vinyl, then plates taken to Chicago with Jo Armstead and two minute little dimples knocked into them, presumably in transit, causing the tiniest pimples on the second press on thinner vinyl. These pimples since being used as authentication marks on that press, which of course was the only one known until relatively recently. When both records are held side by side, it's clear that master plates are identical, but weight of vinyl and depth of colour of labels/text is significantly different, hence the necessity for the unromantic but enormously anorakically satisfying micrometer 5
Popular Post Pete S Posted July 18, 2014 Popular Post Posted July 18, 2014 Who packs master plates so badly that they can be damaged. Why do a tiny press in St Louis on a Chicago label, then come back to Chicago and do a "2nd" press using damaged masters. Surely common sense would tell you the original would be released in Chicago seeing as the label and the band were based there at the time. "Oh hang on, let's fly down to St Louis for no reason, press 100 copies, then come back, change the design and issue 5,000 copies in Chicago". 6
Popular Post Steve S 60 Posted July 18, 2014 Popular Post Posted July 18, 2014 Crikey,women using micrometers.!! What ever next.? Get you Mrs 1.18mm. An imperial measurement would be more appropriate, given said vinyl recording is of North American origin (46/1000ths of an inch). 4
Grayman45 Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) An imperial measurement would be more appropriate, given said vinyl recording is of North American origin (46/1000ths of an inch). This has sparked interest from all the Engineers I'm guessing. Mention a micrometer . . . Edited July 19, 2014 by Grayman45
Steve S 60 Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Passionately and precisely written Duchess, and a powerhouse of a record. I also have my own micrometer Metric or imperial?
KevH Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Small torch,small magnifying glass and a micrometer. The Allnighter Record Buyers Kit.( Available now at KH.analcollectors.com.) 2
KevH Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 It's not the first tool I've had in my hand Mr Holmes, and I'll wager it won't be the last If a write-up seems curiously precise, with in-depth research, a dearth of extraneous apostrophes, and contains no obvious spelling mistakes or grammatical faux pas... it JUST might be one of mine You tool handling isn't it question.! 2
Theresa Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 The band were not based in Chicago, they were from St Louis, and had been performing together on and off for years, in St Louis. The band travelled to Chicago with E. Rodney Jones to record SBMB, the amazing Donald Lloyd sang the lead vocal, and they came home again.
Pete S Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 The band were not based in Chicago, they were from St Louis, and had been performing together on and off for years, in St Louis. The band travelled to Chicago with E. Rodney Jones to record SBMB, the amazing Donald Lloyd sang the lead vocal, and they came home again. Yeah so I read. In Chicago when they made the record though.
jocko Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 The band were not based in Chicago, they were from St Louis, and had been performing together on and off for years, in St Louis. The band travelled to Chicago with E. Rodney Jones to record SBMB, the amazing Donald Lloyd sang the lead vocal, and they came home again. If you are going to play with us big boys on here in the record collecting world you are going to have to realise that facts are secondary to shouting the loudest, and logic is where we write the things we make up........ 1
Theresa Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 And poor old Donald died never having the slightest idea that he was a northern soul icon of the highest order All hail to Bob A for finding his brother a few years back and cataloguing a little of their history. 3
Premium Stuff Posted July 18, 2014 Author Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Pete did you disclose how much the copy you auctioned a while back went for please? I had a quick look but couldn't find it - thought you had Cheers Richard Edited July 18, 2014 by Premium Stuff
Guest in town Mikey Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Who packs master plates so badly that they can be damaged. Why do a tiny press in St Louis on a Chicago label, then come back to Chicago and do a "2nd" press using damaged masters. Surely common sense would tell you the original would be released in Chicago seeing as the label and the band were based there at the time. "Oh hang on, let's fly down to St Louis for no reason, press 100 copies, then come back, change the design and issue 5,000 copies in Chicago". They could have been getting their kicks on route 66? In US terms the 2 cities arent that far apart. Edited July 18, 2014 by in town Mikey
Pete S Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Pete did you disclose how much the copy you auctioned a while back went for please? I had a quick look but couldn't find it - thought you had Cheers Richard Pete did you disclose how much the copy you auctioned a while back went for please? I had a quick look but couldn't find it - thought you had Cheers Richard Well apparently I didn't, so I read, so I obviously didn't...
Popular Post jocko Posted July 18, 2014 Popular Post Posted July 18, 2014 Well apparently I didn't, so I read, so I obviously didn't... Did you have a Salvadors for sale? How did I miss that. How much did it go for? Still one of the greatest Northern records ever produced, regardless of where it was recorded, label colour, it gets the dangly bits standing to attention straight out from the intro. Or is that just me..... 5
Geeselad Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 does the blurb include, 'probably THE most hammered oldie on the scene over the last 20 years'?
Jim G Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Well I just wish I could afford to buy it! I danced to it on the stage at the Casino in one the dancing competitions and it will always have a place in my fondest memories. Edited July 18, 2014 by jim g
El Corol Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 (Just for Rod's benefit ) "It is a truth universally acknowledged" ha ha, that yes, first press was in St Louis on the thicker vinyl, then plates taken to Chicago with Jo Armstead and two minute little dimples knocked into them, presumably in transit, causing the tiniest pimples on the second press on thinner vinyl. These pimples since being used as authentication marks on that press, which of course was the only one known until relatively recently. When both records are held side by side, it's clear that master plates are identical, but weight of vinyl and depth of colour of labels/text is significantly different, hence the necessity for the unromantic but enormously anorakically satisfying micrometer The band were not based in Chicago, they were from St Louis, and had been performing together on and off for years, in St Louis. The band travelled to Chicago with E. Rodney Jones to record SBMB, the amazing Donald Lloyd sang the lead vocal, and they came home again. Now I'm confused. The first quote says the first press was in St Louis with the plates then taken to Chicago. The second quote says they travelled to Chicago to record SWMB. So from what I've read on this thread it was either: 1. Recorded and pressed in St Louis first and then taken to Chicago and presssed again. 2. They recorded it in Chicago and then went back to St Louis to press it and then returned to Chicago to press it again. or is there a third possibility that it was recorded and pressed in Chicago first, then the group returned to St Louis and pressed it again there? 1
Goldsoul Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 The Salvadors where originally from St.Louis and did local backing at the Riviera nightclub there for Soul acts when they were in town, E. Rodney Jones was a local radio legend there before he went on to bigger things in 1965 at WVON in Chicago, after he had brought the Salvadors over to record their first record in Chicago (Nike) he brought them to Jo Armstead to record again this time SBMB on Wise World. I think the second press was done (local) for local sales in their homebase St.Louis, at least the rarer press is often talked about as the "St. Louis press". Props to Boba for his great radio interview with one remaining member of the Salvadors back in the day. RIP. Goldsoul were first in tracking down the Salvadors. We did an interview with member Flint Lloyd. The two way was published by this very site. Time for a re-launch Mike?
Goldsoul Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) And poor old Donald died never having the slightest idea that he was a northern soul icon of the highest order All hail to Bob A for finding his brother a few years back and cataloguing a little of their history. Theresa. I found him, did an interview and passed his details to my good friend the late Bob Abrahamian. Soul Source as far as I know were the first forum to publish the interview with Flint Lloyd. Edited July 18, 2014 by The Golden 101
Pete S Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Just diversifying a sec, I put several artists in touch with Bob A, and I know at least one went to go on to record again due to that contact, but the only person who ever got back in touch after the show - not that I care - was Ray & Dave, well one of them anyway, the other was dead but I forget which one, anyway he was a Reverend and was totally amazed anyone knew his record and he was so chuffed to go on the radio show to talk about his career. 1
Guest Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Aural sex!!! Any bird who comes at me with a micrometer gets a slap!! Edited July 18, 2014 by Guest
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