Guest Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 im told its the b side of a del satins press ?? any help
Toodarnsoulful Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) https://www.soulclub.org/stream/The_Del_Sat...re_The_Fire.ram first heard this at a new Century event in Machester in the CIS building.. L Edited July 25, 2006 by rachel
Stuart Bower Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) im told its the b side of a del satins press ?? any help If I`m not mistaken..it was booted on VILLA.. The flip was..."YOU`RE THE FIRE" by the DEL-SATINS-same backing track as the Checkerboard Squares.. And also The MAGICIANS (Also VILLA recording artistes) -"Just A Little Faith And Understanding"- again,same backing track as the CBS... Edited July 25, 2006 by The Soul Intention
Dave Moore Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 A far as I was aware the whole Del Satins thing was a Soussan jobbie wasn't it? The Magicians is the only "real" vocal innit? Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com
Ged Parker Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 A far as I was aware the whole Del Satins thing was a Soussan jobbie wasn't it? The Magicians is the only "real" vocal innit? Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com Thats my understanding too.
Stuart Bower Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 A far as I was aware the whole Del Satins thing was a Soussan jobbie wasn't it? The Magicians is the only "real" vocal innit? Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com Yep-that`s what I said..booted on a look-a-likey VILLA label. Strangely though, (and don`t hold it against me..) but IMO the Del Satins fake sounds more exciting!!
grant Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 Agree the Del Satins is much better than Magicians... imvho
Tony Turner Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 Always liked it myself. Is it rated now? How much does it get sold for?
Simsy Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 And also The MAGICIANS (Also VILLA recording artistes) -"Just A Little Faith And Understanding"- again,same backing track as the CBS... Released on 100 Club - anniversary single ..
Ernie Andrews Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 I dont believe the Magicians is original! After all these years and with the contacts many djs collectors have it surfaces a year or so ago- Nah dont believe it for aminute. Whats next- Skyliners doing avocal to Condition red - Just because they both recorded for jubilee! Wake up and smell the roses!
Guest woolie mark Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 Released on 100 Club - anniversary single .. how much is this going for now? i remember it was going for up to £150 in the latter half of 2004 - is it still fetching a good price? (i've got one for sale with a 25th anniversay ticket btw if anyone's interested) cheers
Guest Stuart T Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 I dont believe the Magicians is original! After all these years and with the contacts many djs collectors have it surfaces a year or so ago- Nah dont believe it for aminute. Whats next- Skyliners doing avocal to Condition red - Just because they both recorded for jubilee! Wake up and smell the roses! It was known about several years before, I believe Dave Flynn mentioned it on the sleeve notes of one of his compilations, he may have heard it on a tape when working at Charley records, not sure what the story is. I think there is also a male group vocal on the same tapes. I'm sure that Dave played that to me in the past and I thought that it was quite good. May be mistaken.
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 (edited) I dont believe the Magicians is original! After all these years and with the contacts many djs collectors have it surfaces a year or so ago- Nah dont believe it for aminute. Whats next- Skyliners doing avocal to Condition red - Just because they both recorded for jubilee! Wake up and smell the roses! Having been privy to the relevant paperwork, I can assure you (and any other doubters) that the Magicians "Love And Understanding" could not be any more original if it had actually been released on the other side of "Double Cookin'" itself. ...Please feel free to enlighten us as to any thought process that has you arriving at your conclusion? By your calculations, it would seem that the vocal of anything that was not originally released as a vocal in the 1960s is a fake. Does this also mean that my 1998 discovery of the vocal of "Don't Start None" by the Mayfield Singers was also a sham, because neither it nor the instrumental came out at the time of recording? Maybe it's not roses you need to be smelling - a handkerchief full of ammonia might be more useful... Edited July 26, 2006 by TONY ROUNCE
Ady Croasdell Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 And lets not forget the original female vocal 'Is It Love Baby' by the Waves which I'm playing now. As the doubting Thomases don't seem to believe me, we'll stick a scan of the original tape box in the booklet of the CD when it comes out. The label song's owner and writer Herbert Campbell told us the full story and it's on CDKEND 248, opening track The Magicians, which to my ears is by far the best.
Makemvinyl Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 I dont believe the Magicians is original! After all these years and with the contacts many djs collectors have it surfaces a year or so ago- Nah dont believe it for aminute. Whats next- Skyliners doing avocal to Condition red - Just because they both recorded for jubilee! Wake up and smell the roses! you need to talk to Mr Croasdale who researched all these items and introduced the Magicians to us all wake up you cant see the wood for the trees
Pete S Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 Having been privy to the relevant paperwork, I can assure you (and any other doubters) that the Magicians "Love And Understanding" could not be any more original if it had actually been released on the other side of "Double Cookin'" itself. ...Please feel free to enlighten us as to any thought process that has you arriving at your conclusion? By your calculations, it would seem that the vocal of anything that was not originally released as a vocal in the 1960s is a fake. Does this also mean that my 1998 discovery of the vocal of "Don't Start None" by the Mayfield Singers was also a sham, because neither it nor the instrumental came out at the time of recording? Maybe it's not roses you need to be smelling - a handkerchief full of ammonia might be more useful... No offence Tony but the instrumental was 100 times better than the vocal. One of the last records I heard at a nighter that actually gave me the shivers when I heard it. When I heard the vocal I thought it actually deflected from the brilliance of the instrumental. I am probably alone in this view. But well done for finding it like. 1
Guest Paul Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 Hello, We control the publishing rights to "(Just A Little) Faith And Understanding" (and to "Double Cooking" of course) and its authenticity is guaranteed by our clients Herb and Doris Campbell. Why are some people so suspicious when previously unissued tracks are discovered? There are many more to come. Paul Mooney Millbrand Music
Guest Paul Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 I wouldn't be be surprised if someone discovers a vocal version of "Festival Time" one day. Now that would be something! Paul Mooney
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 (edited) No offence Tony but the instrumental was 100 times better than the vocal. One of the last records I heard at a nighter that actually gave me the shivers when I heard it. When I heard the vocal I thought it actually deflected from the brilliance of the instrumental. I am probably alone in this view. But well done for finding it like. Thanks Guv. My enormous ego allows me to say, with no false modesty, that I was also present when the instrumental was discovered, some six months earlier, on an unmarked tape reel... Think you might be on your own on liking the instro best, though, mate. TONE Edited July 26, 2006 by TONY ROUNCE
Pete S Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 Thanks Guv. My enormous ego allows me to say, with no false modesty, that I was also present when the instrumental was discovered, some six months earlier, on an unmarked tape reel... Think you might be on your own on liking the instro best, though, mate. TONE Probably because I heard the inst first. Same as Exus Trek v If Its All The Same To You Babe. Instrumental is miles better.
Mike Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 A far as I was aware the whole Del Satins thing was a Soussan jobbie wasn't it? The Magicians is the only "real" vocal innit? Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com wasn;t there three vocals that "turned up"all at same time? that ouch "vocal" to afternoon of rhino was one of bunch wasnt it, can't think of other one but sure was one and had to be something obvious
Mike Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 wasn;t there three vocals that "turned up"all at same time? that ouch "vocal" to afternoon of rhino was one of bunch wasnt it, can't think of other one but sure was one and had to be something obvious just dragged up from pits of brain it was that bok to bach vocal thing
Simon T Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 wasn;t there three vocals that "turned up"all at same time? that ouch "vocal" to afternoon of rhino was one of bunch wasnt it, can't think of other one but sure was one and had to be something obvious Mike I have a somewhat 'interesting' vocal to the Dogs - Soul Step, but can't remember where it came from, is that what you are thing of?
Mike Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 Mike I have a somewhat 'interesting' vocal to the Dogs - Soul Step, but can't remember where it came from, is that what you are thing of? nah, brain says was them 3 , have to laugh at the way they did it subtle as f***
Godzilla Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 Hello, We control the publishing rights to "(Just A Little) Faith And Understanding" (and to "Double Cooking" of course) and its authenticity is guaranteed by our clients Herb and Doris Campbell. Paul Mooney Millbrand Music Herb and Doris!!! How did they end up with the rights? Or perhaps the right question should be who exactly are they? And any chance of a photo to go with my signed copy of Somebody Somewhere Needs You? Cheers Godz
Godzilla Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 just dragged up from pits of brain it was that bok to bach vocal thing I thought Suzy Parker - Dance of Love (Bok to Bach) was earlier. You sure the missing one wasn't Dena "wink wink" Barnes - These Heartaches, which was an alternative vocal to Duke Browner inst, Mike? Godz
Godzilla Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 Herb and Doris!!! How did they end up with the rights? Or perhaps the right question should be who exactly are they? And any chance of a photo to go with my signed copy of Somebody Somewhere Needs You? Cheers Godz Just realised - it's Herb Sadler - not Campbell. I'm talking cack. Still, two Herb and Doris's with Detroit connections, eh? Who'd of thought it... Godz
Guest Paul Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 Sorry. I meant Dolores, not Doris. It must be the heat. Paul Mooney
Soulsmith Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 how much is this going for now? i remember it was going for up to £150 in the latter half of 2004 - is it still fetching a good price? (i've got one for sale with a 25th anniversay ticket btw if anyone's interested) cheers The MAGICIANS -"Just A Little Faith And Understanding"- Think Roger Stewart was selling for £30 at that time
Simsy Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 how much is this going for now? i remember it was going for up to £150 in the latter half of 2004 - is it still fetching a good price? (i've got one for sale with a 25th anniversay ticket btw if anyone's interested) cheers 6T's 25th Anniversary single - THE MAGICIANS 2005-04-01 96 GBP 6Ts 25th Anniversary Single - The Magicians 2005-06-21 102 GBP NORTHERN SOUL THE MAGICIANS 2004-11-07 49 GBP Northern Soul - MAGICIANS 100 CLUB 25TH ANNIVERSARY 45 2005-11-27 77 GBP northern soul 45 Magicians "Faith and Understanding" 2005-05-03 155 GBP Northern Soul 45. MAGICIANS 6T-20.KENT 25TH ANNIVERSARY 2005-05-21 51 GBP NORTHERN SOUL THE MAGICIANS 100 CLUB 25TH ANNIVERSARY K 2005-05-30 78 GBP
Soulsmith Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 6T's 25th Anniversary single - THE MAGICIANS 2005-04-01 96 GBP 6Ts 25th Anniversary Single - The Magicians 2005-06-21 102 GBP NORTHERN SOUL THE MAGICIANS 2004-11-07 49 GBP Northern Soul - MAGICIANS 100 CLUB 25TH ANNIVERSARY 45 2005-11-27 77 GBP northern soul 45 Magicians "Faith and Understanding" 2005-05-03 155 GBP Northern Soul 45. MAGICIANS 6T-20.KENT 25TH ANNIVERSARY 2005-05-21 51 GBP NORTHERN SOUL THE MAGICIANS 100 CLUB 25TH ANNIVERSARY K 2005-05-30 78 GBP Yeah, yeah yeah! But Roger always seems to have a few anniv singles in his box reasonably priced........
Ernie Andrews Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 No offence Tony but the instrumental was 100 times better than the vocal. One of the last records I heard at a nighter that actually gave me the shivers when I heard it. When I heard the vocal I thought it actually deflected from the brilliance of the instrumental. I am probably alone in this view. But well done for finding it like. I also Agree with Pete. The point I was making was The Del satins was around in the 70s and The magicians is late 90s /2000s- Why did it take so long to come about? 20 years to find it Given the exposure of the Del satins? Its not the same at the Mayfield singers as that was not around in the 70s (please correct me if Im worong) If there is authencity available to it e.g The original master tape with details/label etc then prove me wrong and pm me with the photos. This would prove me wrong but Im taking bets it wont be forthcoming. The challenge is there! I really would like to wake up and smell the coffee but I think I will be smelling Bullsh**t
Pete S Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 I thought Suzy Parker - Dance of Love (Bok to Bach) was earlier. You sure the missing one wasn't Dena "wink wink" Barnes - These Heartaches, which was an alternative vocal to Duke Browner inst, Mike? Godz I first heard the Bok To Bach vocal in 75 but it wasn't widely played as it was only on acetate, it wasn't pressed til 77 with the inst on the back. These Heartaches wasn't played (at Wigan anyway) until Jan 77 (according to my tapes and memory). So maybe it was "Sherlie Matthews" My Sugar baby, a new vocal to My Little Girl?
Ady Croasdell Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 I also Agree with Pete. The point I was making was The Del satins was around in the 70s and The magicians is late 90s /2000s- Why did it take so long to come about? 20 years to find it Given the exposure of the Del satins? Its not the same at the Mayfield singers as that was not around in the 70s (please correct me if Im worong) If there is authencity available to it e.g The original master tape with details/label etc then prove me wrong and pm me with the photos. This would prove me wrong but Im taking bets it wont be forthcoming. The challenge is there! I really would like to wake up and smell the coffee but I think I will be smelling Bullsh**t Perhaps you should wipe your top lip. As I said in the previous post it'll be in the booklet of the CD with the Waves on when it comes out.
Godzilla Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 I first heard the Bok To Bach vocal in 75 but it wasn't widely played as it was only on acetate, it wasn't pressed til 77 with the inst on the back. These Heartaches wasn't played (at Wigan anyway) until Jan 77 (according to my tapes and memory). So maybe it was "Sherlie Matthews" My Sugar baby, a new vocal to My Little Girl? Could be. I had a Suzy Parker acetate for about two weeks in either 75 or 76. If I remember rightly the acetate was pretty quiet and not very well recorded. Memory is shaky but could Alan Rhodes have payed it a couple of times? So maybe it was Shirlie "wink wink" Matthews then Godz
soulAdequateNP Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 Hello, Why are some people so suspicious when previously unissued tracks are discovered? There are many more to come. People are probably suspicious because of Los Cuatros Vandales For what it's worth tho, the authenticity of "Faith..." is fairly obvious - if you listen to it next to The Magicians' "Is It All Gone", a known Villa 45, it's the same vocalist.
Gene-r Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 I thought Suzy Parker - Dance of Love (Bok to Bach) was earlier. You sure the missing one wasn't Dena "wink wink" Barnes - These Heartaches, which was an alternative vocal to Duke Browner inst, Mike? Godz Wasn't "Crazy" by Sheri Gibbs on TNT also a 70s concoction?
Pete S Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 Wasn't "Crazy" by Sheri Gibbs on TNT also a 70s concoction? Yes, had a very short shelf life though, only played for about a month if that before those TNT copies appeared. That also eventually turned up on the Fascinations cd as well, didn't it?
Gene-r Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 People are probably suspicious because of Los Cuatros Vandales For what it's worth tho, the authenticity of "Faith..." is fairly obvious - if you listen to it next to The Magicians' "Is It All Gone", a known Villa 45, it's the same vocalist. As a point of trivia, the instrumental of "Is It AllGone" was booted on the flip of the "Strings A Go Go" press on Soul Galore, as "Love Symphony" by the Bob Wilson Sounds
Guest claude rains Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 I have a jack montgomery " never in a million years", b-side to " don't turn your back on me" on barracuda. Am after the vocal, think its by the honeybees, think the label is artic. If anyone knows the full artist title and label, also has a rough price or one for sale, would be interseted. Ta.
Pete S Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 I have a jack montgomery " never in a million years", b-side to " don't turn your back on me" on barracuda. Am after the vocal, think its by the honeybees, think the label is artic. If anyone knows the full artist title and label, also has a rough price or one for sale, would be interseted. Ta. It's on Garrison and maybe Wand as well...title actually is Never In A Million Years. I've been after this for more years than I can remember but I finally gave up and got a dub cut of it. Fabulous record, but so is the instrumental.
Guest claude rains Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 It's on Garrison and maybe Wand as well...title actually is Never In A Million Years. I've been after this for more years than I can remember but I finally gave up and got a dub cut of it. Fabulous record, but so is the instrumental Thaks pete Well knew it was rare, so it is the honeybees "never in a million years" Garrison. Some one said it was b-side to "lets get back together", thought that was a mistake. Think finding it on wand, would be like finding the ivorys on same label though it could be.
Peter Richer Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 claude rains Posted Today, 12:38 PM Â It's on Garrison and maybe Wand as well...title actually is Never In A Million Years. I've been after this for more years than I can remember but I finally gave up and got a dub cut of it. Fabulous record, but so is the instrumental Thaks pete Well knew it was rare, so it is the honeybees "never in a million years" Garrison. Some one said it was b-side to "lets get back together", thought that was a mistake. Think finding it on wand, would be like finding the ivorys on same label though it could be. ------------------------------------- Yes, it's on Garrison 3005 (and Wand 1141 I believe - has anybody got one??) and is indeed the flip to Let's Get Back Together which is another brilliant track. IMHO one of the best double siders ever, and co-produced by Don Mancha, Mike Terry and Jack Montgomery!! I think I should be able to locate a spare copy if you (or anyone else) wants one, but it would be a fair (in both senses) wad of money. PM me if interested or for more details. In the meantime, you could here it (and many other brill tunes!) on the North East Soul Radio show which Jason S (JBrew) recently put together with my humble assistance as his guest. Cheers, Peter
Ernie Andrews Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 Perhaps you should wipe your top lip. As I said in the previous post it'll be in the booklet of the CD with the Waves on when it comes out. So just Pm me with the photos or email me on s.eckersley@nhs.net. Come on Now Ady dont be shy. Actually I should wipe both lips as I am tucking into a spicy bit of Chicken. I dont understand this top lip thing so please advise! New Tune - Just a little faith and english understanding- On top lip records Ive never heard it before
Dayo Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 I wouldn't doubt the credentials of the Magicians for a second. It just sounds "right". Be great to hear the story though. One of the most exciting new finds in recent years, from what I've heard.
Ady Croasdell Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 https://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?pa...mp;release=4586 Is a link to the several hundred words I wrote about how the tape was discovered in the CDKEND 248 booklet. The scan will be in the next volume of the CD's booklet. It's the second lump of text the first is a general blurb for the CD.
Codfromderby Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 Wasn't "Crazy" by Sheri Gibbs on TNT also a 70s concoction? the sherry gibbs thing was an unknown artist on an acetate with "crazy" written on it, the acetate was found by somone who also found another one with dot records on it, when this one was played it was discontented by phil flowers, the sherry gibbs was put out slowly as a 45 on tnt issue to possibly fool all and sundry that it was an actual 45 (as in 4 V,S), i think the only problem with this plan was that i cant remember the record ever really taking off, so the tnt copies were soon ten bob each
Pete S Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 the sherry gibbs thing was an unknown artist on an acetate with "crazy" written on it, the acetate was found by somone who also found another one with dot records on it, when this one was played it was discontented by phil flowers, the sherry gibbs was put out slowly as a 45 on tnt issue to possibly fool all and sundry that it was an actual 45 (as in 4 V,S), i think the only problem with this plan was that i cant remember the record ever really taking off, so the tnt copies were soon ten bob each But it is actually The Fascinations...
Codfromderby Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 But it is actually The Fascinations... please, tell me more, was it released etc
Pete S Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 please, tell me more, was it released etc Yeah it came out on a cd in the 90's (I think it might have been called Out To get You) and it's got the story of Crazy in the liner notes. This is the cd that also features Don't Stop Now (inst). It's on Sequel anyway.
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