Uk's Rarest?

[Denbo]

I'll lend it you when I get mine back if you want

Thanks Pete, that would be very much appreciated

[purist]

While the great and the good of British label collectors are on this thread there's a question I'd like to ask.
Not sure if it qualifies as a grail, but it's had a few plays on the scene from the USA Musicor 45 to my knowledge?
It was a few years ago that I saw a Fontana copy on a sales list of Marilyn Powell "Please Go Away". The list was a mostly Popcorn/R'n'B list, and it originated from Europe, so I wondered if this was indeed a UK Fontana 45, or perhaps Dutch or one of the other likely European imprints. I've kept my eyes peeled for it ever since, but never seen it again. Does anyone have one? If so what's the country of origin?

[Sebastian]

While the great and the good of British label collectors are on this thread there's a question I'd like to ask.

Not sure if it qualifies as a grail, but it's had a few plays on the scene from the USA Musicor 45 to my knowledge?

It was a few years ago that I saw a Fontana copy on a sales list of Marilyn Powell "Please Go Away". The list was a mostly Popcorn/R'n'B list, and it originated from Europe, so I wondered if this was indeed a UK Fontana 45, or perhaps Dutch or one of the other likely European imprints. I've kept my eyes peeled for it ever since, but never seen it again. Does anyone have one? If so what's the country of origin?

 

UK 45 on 45cat:

https://www.45cat.com/record/tf526

[Denbo]

While the great and the good of British label collectors are on this thread there's a question I'd like to ask.

Not sure if it qualifies as a grail, but it's had a few plays on the scene from the USA Musicor 45 to my knowledge?

It was a few years ago that I saw a Fontana copy on a sales list of Marilyn Powell "Please Go Away". The list was a mostly Popcorn/R'n'B list, and it originated from Europe, so I wondered if this was indeed a UK Fontana 45, or perhaps Dutch or one of the other likely European imprints. I've kept my eyes peeled for it ever since, but never seen it again. Does anyone have one? If so what's the country of origin?

Here you go 'purist', it came out on British;

Fontana TF526 Marilyn Powell Please Go Away Where Did I Go Wrong Jan-1965

[Denbo]

Oops, Sebastian beat me to it

[Pete S]

While the great and the good of British label collectors are on this thread there's a question I'd like to ask.

Not sure if it qualifies as a grail, but it's had a few plays on the scene from the USA Musicor 45 to my knowledge?

It was a few years ago that I saw a Fontana copy on a sales list of Marilyn Powell "Please Go Away". The list was a mostly Popcorn/R'n'B list, and it originated from Europe, so I wondered if this was indeed a UK Fontana 45, or perhaps Dutch or one of the other likely European imprints. I've kept my eyes peeled for it ever since, but never seen it again. Does anyone have one? If so what's the country of origin?

 

Funnily enough, thats on my latest podcast which I did yesterday - UK special

[purist]

Thanks for the info guys, now I've seen a picture.
btw do any of you actually own a copy, and is it really rare (or have I just been unlucky not to have ever seen one?)

[Pete S]

Thanks for the info guys, now I've seen a picture.

btw do any of you actually own a copy, and is it really rare (or have I just been unlucky not to have ever seen one?)

 

It's very rare John and still very much a lesser known

[Denbo]

Thanks for the info guys, now I've seen a picture.

btw do any of you actually own a copy, and is it really rare (or have I just been unlucky not to have ever seen one?)

I'm not certain but I may have a copy. I'll check when I get home tomorrow night.

PS - Just been listening to both sides on You Tube and realised I've definitely got a copy, of which I prefer the other side, "Where Did I Go Wrong", and the side that made me remember I do have it.

Edited September 8, 2014 by denbo

[Neil Rushton]

Thanks Pete, good to know

But if they were a 'custom press' for Selectadisc by Polydor, what does that mean? Why didn't Selectadisc just ask Polydor to send them 300 copies of the vocal, which I think was on general release anyway. I realise you might not have all the answers but I can't get my head round this 'custom press' thing?

It was 500 copies. They ordered the vocal which had not been released by then. When they turned up they were by mistake the instrumental version so Selecta Disc returned them. Dave Williams was working at Seleca Disc at the time and talks about it in "Northern Soul Stories". Not sure if it was Polydor. Am pretty certain the label sent out some of the instrumental when they issued the vocal soon after, as I kept hearing about copies in the West Midlands at the time,, but that might be just be people making it up. Same thing happened to Selecta Disc a few years later when CBS in New York sent them instrumental by mistake of Billy Butler "Right Track" but they kept them!

[Pete S]

It was 500 copies. They ordered the vocal which had not been released by then. When they turned up they were by mistake the instrumental version so Selecta Disc returned them. Dave Williams was working at Seleca Disc at the time and talks about it in "Northern Soul Stories". Not sure if it was Polydor. Am pretty certain the label sent out some of the instrumental when they issued the vocal soon after, as I kept hearing about copies in the West Midlands at the time,, but that might be just be people making it up. Same thing happened to Selecta Disc a few years later when CBS in New York sent them instrumental by mistake of Billy Butler "Right Track" but they kept them!

 

They must have had at least 1000 copies of Right Track inst I reckon.

[Denbo]

It was 500 copies. They ordered the vocal which had not been released by then. When they turned up they were by mistake the instrumental version so Selecta Disc returned them. Dave Williams was working at Seleca Disc at the time and talks about it in "Northern Soul Stories". Not sure if it was Polydor. Am pretty certain the label sent out some of the instrumental when they issued the vocal soon after, as I kept hearing about copies in the West Midlands at the time,, but that might be just be people making it up. Same thing happened to Selecta Disc a few years later when CBS in New York sent them instrumental by mistake of Billy Butler "Right Track" but they kept them!

How the heck did Kama Sutra / Polydor have an instrumental version of the record, albeit a lot shorter time wise? Was it a UK production, where the instrumental and vocals were recorded separately then merged / mixed later?

[dthedrug]

 HI ALL....For many people at the end of the 6ts the near mention of the word "reggae" Would be greeted with a blank kook, or that supioror  look down the nose at you, as far as the majority of young people progressive blues or folk music was what to listen to with a 3 skin joint thus making more involved or meaningful, the 3 minute 45 also had died, they were into 25 minute track taking up 1 side of an album, 

In the spring of 67 there was a big split on the LONDON mod scene this include not only the bespoke clothing of the MOD but also the music, the All night dancing of the SOHO SCENE were deserted as the MOD no longer was into R&B SOUL & MOTOWN, the influx of black youth went on to fill the void, while the MOD went into "FLOWER POWER" (PSHYCHODELIC HEADISM, WITH LOVE PEACE & LSD) SOME OF MY MATES WENT TO WOBAN ABBEY, THEY COME BACK, TALKING STRANGE? THE WORD "MAN" & "FAR OUT" MOST OF THE GOT A GOOD KICK IN,

Just before the change the new sound of Jamaican SKA & ROCK STEADY hit the discos,

In 1968 the music was Reggae, and in London & the home counties reggae took of big time, this scene lasted until mid 71 when soul music was again the in music.

During this period the soul boys in the north, made it clear that they did not want reggae moving into their scene, this is well documented in BLUES & SOUL which had a reggae section plus chart & new releases, the Pen to Paper article had many letters from members of the twisted wheel club, object to the reggae column, it was dropped from the mag.

We all are aware that once the REGGAE  lost favour & the rare soul scene was renamed NORTHERN SOUL, this went on without the inclusion of any Jamaican music, however in the last 15 years many people have grown to appreciate Jamaican recordings and it goes without saying the records that had a soul groove were ideal for the scene & rare to boot,

3 records that are very collectable are shown the GLEN MILLER is still sort after the other 2 you may not know, but they are just as good, and hard to find, no sound files for them so you will have to find some way to hear them good luck kids.   DAVE K

 my copy's

[Wiggyflat]

Dave Peanuts...hard Mod in 67...with The Neat Change and Jimmy Edwards.Beat Ambrose Slade by 3 years.

[Neil Rushton]

How the heck did Kama Sutra / Polydor have an instrumental version of the record, albeit a lot shorter time wise? Was it a UK production, where the instrumental and vocals were recorded separately then merged / mixed later?

No, the UK label ordered the parts from the USA and somehow got sent an instrumental. The daft buggers then pressed it up and sent it out.