JOE TORQUAY Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 Bobby Lee Trammell NEW Dance In France C/w Carolyn Without question the UK’s most hunted label. Every release highly coveted and vital to the avid British vinyl collector especially in tip-top condition. Before you today is one of Sue’s poorest selling 45’s, consequently today this example is incredibly hard to find, most will have WI-326 missing from their lifetimes work. This copy as you’d expect with our British offering is utterly pristine, check out the two splendid labels, and be rest assured the vinyl is the same. Just a few very light paper sleeve contact blemishes reveal themselves in strong light. Anyone who has ever seen a long run of UK Sue’s in full glory in the more complete UK collections; will confirm the adrenaline rush it induces… that is why so many are trying to amass as many of these highly elusive 7” critters as possible.. Here’s one of the very-seldom-seens… Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 183.00 Walter Wilson Love Keeps Me Crying C/w Not Now But Later No more than a handful known to exist, which is sad because this 45 offers up two NS thoroughbreds, from an highly respect luminary of Northern Soul. Billy Jackson the man who gave us some of the greatest Northern Soul 45s ever “Frank Beverley” “Groovettes” “Yvonne Baker” etc. again applies his talents to crafting stomping Northern Soul, littered with pumping brass and “Whoo Whoo” girls, choppy key changes, rattling piano, relentless driving arrangement and “Tommy Keith’s” vocal riding the ever increasing storm, sensational instrumental break ratchets up the power another notch…totally brilliant! PROPER REAL DEAL NORTHERN SOUL But we are not done yet - flip it over and sink into Beat-Ballad-Bliss - same ingredients, same girls, same imploring vocal, pleading and hoping his lady’s inaccessibility is not due to furtive-fumblings with another man. Is there a more captivating arrangement than a man in pain, riding a full orchestra accompanied by shrill girl chorus… listen and be moved Both sides are BEASTS of their genres..! Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 1,867.00 Marvin Gaye Pride And Joy C/w One Of These Days Condition, Condition, Condition. Well it is the most-imperative factor in the year 2014 for the British Motown vinyl collector - the serial upgrader chasing perfection, will need never to look for another copy of CBA-1846. This offering Marvin’s 2nd release on Oriole, is as good as it gets - a strong 51 year old in it’s birth sleeve only revealing brief, minuscule paper sleeve contact blemish or two in strong light. Mint - a condition so hard to secure.. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 101.00 Jazzie Cazzie And The Eight Sounds Soul City C/w Young Girl Ridiculously Rare horny FUNKER! Down right-dirty stroller from Indianapolis, Indian, featuring an wildly wailing trumpet punctuating an incessantly funky guitar licks. Lead singers gnarled vocal growls out the reputation of the Town where dance is the thing! Highly effective Mid-paced Funk experience with an especially dramatic horn break in the middle.. it’s down-right dirty-stuff from the 9 member gathering. The flip is highly coveted by Soulful Group harmony ballad collectors as the group again beef up the backing with a row of horns but carefully do not overpower the sincerely soulful lead or the icy harmony chorus. Offering a delicious slab of Real-Soul. Extremely hard to find, in gorgeous Mint - condition and of course giving up two contrasting genres of grassroots Soul. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 313.00 Billy Hambric Flaming Mamie C/w You're A Sweetheart This week’s R&B rumble comes from Northern Soul contributor of huge repute. Billy H. never fails to please, and again he struts through a session head held high and confident in his aggressive approach. But this 45 is so much more than just a snarling arrogant swaggering Soul Man. Every component plays it’s part; the saxophonist pumps a down, low & filthy note exactly when it’s needed, as the rhythm rolls on; sassy ladies squawk the chorus and tune develops into an unstoppable “Silver Streak” about to take the station out… Killer R&B I just LOVE IT! Deep Soul fans should check out the hurt-drenched flipside Billy turns in an on-your-knees horn supported performance to prove he is not just a reckless tyrant of the microphone… he can do it slow and meaningful too.. Condition is flawless.. in every respect Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 311.00 Prince Ella And Sidney Jones Baby Sugar I Love You C/w Babhttps://www.raresoulman.co.uk/y I Got To Cut You Loose A Simon Soussan discovery that excited him so much he almost simultaneously bootlegged it (on a dreary mustard coloured label) that halted it’s meteoric rise at Wigan Casino just as it was rocketing skyward. Even in Simon’s early 70s heyday, this was a Dog-Rare 45, as bootlegging was the only way he could meet the instant demand. Click the sound file to unleash not one but two rampaging Northern Soul Beasts from a determine pairing who know how to give it attitude. Condition is a light X on label away from perfection. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 356.00 Alexander Patten A Lil Lovin' Sometimes C/w No More Dreams 100% authentic ORIGINAL first press “daisy stamped” deadwax. For those of you who haven’t done the research the into this release. The “Soussan” early 70s counterfeit using original Capitol “blank” sheets of labels for the base, copied the “AIM” in triangle styled press label as the template with “title” is on TWO lines (see extra 3rd scan) The original “AIM” stamped deadwax of the TWO line press does not have the “daisy” stamp but the “AIM”stamp variation. Same goes for Jerry Cook - I Hurt On The Other Side” the counterfeit used the “AIM” stamped press as the label template. So there is no need to talk about the label having uneven surfaces etc. The text layout is wrong compared to the original “daisy” stamped 45 on both counterfeits. If you have a TWO line titled Alexander Patten with a “Daisy” stamp (often faked.) Carefully check the “Daisy” is authentic. Detailed information will be documentred in the forthcoming full colour book for authenticating Northern Soul 45s. (long long overdue) but worth the wait. Having said all that - you need to click the soundfile and unleash one of the very greatest Northern Soul 45s ever played on the British scene. A timeless inherent “Twisted Wheel” baby, that became an unachievable benchmark for future Rare Soul dancers to follow.. The Northern Soul Experience DOES NOT get any better than this.. especially if it’s a “real one” Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 317.00 Jimmy Mcgriff Blues For Mister Jimmy Extremely rare 1965 British mono press. The authoritative keyboard skills of Jimmy McGriff offers up a forceful masterclass in Hammond. The sleeve notes quote “Swinging With Gay Abandonment”. My how phases have changed over the last 49 years. What it does do, is whack you with Boo-Ga-Loo from the heart. Jimmy McGriff along with Jimmy Smith were Guru’s of the 60s Organ sound. Check out the sound clips we’ve chosen, and await to be hooked. I’m already hooked on the “art” cover, and the provenance of the shop stamp ” A.1. Stores of Tottenham, N.17” who besides stocking records, they were also “Lighting Specialists” and sold “Greetings Cards” if that doesn’t catapult you back to London 1965 .. then maybe the MOD scene of the time who thrived on this style..will do.. One for the serious about NS scene’s history… Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 49.00 Jean Stanback If I Ever Needed Love C/w I Still Love You Eye-popping and in “as new” condition… Dave Godin presents “The Ultimate In American Soul Music” his artistic flare and an ear for the stand-out sounds makes this short lived label not only one of the most attractive but most respected also. As every offering are handpicked solid-soul-senders from the brain of British most influential Soul Music journalists. The side we lead with is currently receiving heavy Northern Soul turntable exposure on the USA Peacock release triggering a rocket in value. A convincing Jimmy Oliver composition given the Sister-Screamer treatment from this under recorded talent. Potent Northern Soul that’s on the rise.. Flip it over for one of Dave Godin’s most-approved Deep Soul recordings which Dave chose as the A-side which of course flopped totally upon release in 1969. Mr. Godin’s taste just a little too advanced, even for the British Soul fan at the time. Check out the dazzling label scan - and be prepared to encounter total bedazzlement as Jean strides out… Two awesome tunes - gorgeously wrapped as only Mr. Godin would… Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 101.00 Velours I'm Gonna Change One of the “Major Trophy” pieces for the Black Stock copy Junkie trying to get a fix. A timeless Wigan Casino Monster - proper Northern Soul with such a persuasive intro, we can all still remember the “Dancefloor dash” when that base line jolted everyone out of their seats. Perhaps 500 times rarer than the PROMO copy, plus remembering the dealers who are economical with scruples, are still trying to sell the “counterfeit” promo’s as originals. No confusion this “Black Is Beautiful” release, rare as a four-legged Turkey, it is after all our 1st copy this century, we kid you not. Condition is gleaming! Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 801.00 Della Humphrey Let's Wait Until Dark Crazy About Crossover - Inspired By RARE? Check out this STOCK copy on one of Northern Soul best-loved labels. Miami marries Philadelphia as the doyens of Arctic Records take a Johnny Pearsall & Clarence Reid composition to craft an exquisite young-girl soul groove. Della could hardly be in better hands as Bobby Martin and Jimmy Bishop conjure up an arrangement with a trombone blowing some captivating low notes, perfectly contradicting Della’s sexy shrill innocence. This is RARE as a STOCK copy is our first in memory; as a Crossover offering, it froths with potential. I can envisage Soul Essence, Just Soul, The Orwell, the UK’s premier upfront soulful events, delighting their congregation with this beauty. A lush-sleeper about to stir…we think? Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 161.00 L. L. Milton That's All I Need C/w Watch Yourself Soul As Deep As You Like It…! L. L. Milton’s only 45, which states it’s a 1974 release but Clyde Wilson an L. L. take you on a journey back a decade to the height of real Soul; when the beseeching raw vocal was supported by an army of horns sympathetically cradling a man’s testament to love, this session does it up perfectly. Haunting horns, simplistic guitar caresses, build up the wanting and needing L. L.’s vocal rasps and then purrs and all the right moments. Divinely Deep demonstration of love, driven by Milton pulling inspiration from his Southern roots. Flip it over and again we experience mid-60s excellence with an impressive Boo-Ga-Loo instrumental, defiant JB style trumpet, an outrageous sax break and a double bass licker who just never lets up throughout this impressive blend of Jazz / Funk & Soul - dance. Two great sides from a man who sadly was only captured on vinyl this one time.. don’t miss it. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 36.00 Elmore James The Best Of We could attract an avalanche of bids with just one word SUE or maybe two words Totally Immaculate Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 75.00 Major Lance You Don't Want Me No More C/w Wait Till I Get You In My Arms Getting Northern Soul Top 500 classics in the condition that only USA finds can offer is more difficult now, than ever. So when we acquire a NS anthem that has never visited the British Isles before we know the OCD about condition, will be clambering for ownership. No stylus fatigue, no decades of travelin’ the Northern Soul circuit, no multiple owners on it’s logo book, no names in the deadwax, no writing on the label, no hiss, no pops and not even the merest fade to it’s striking coloured label. Another offering from that file only collection, this 45 plays like it did in 1966 only the briefest paper contact blemishes from a lifetime inside the same sleeve is it’s only flaw. Seldom does it get better than this - Major is this week’s offering to the over-discerning NS collector.. check out the full rich label that squinted as I relieved it from it’s filing tomb..and listen to the perfect soundfile.. It’s time it had a home away from “The Blues” and with someone who will cherish it.. especially as the neglected flipside opens up an opportunity for surprise “Niter” spins.. Irresistible.. Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 588.00 Barrons Walking In The City C/w Talkin' Bout My Girl Unicorn-Rare! *Just been reminded this is a BIg Spin for “Honky” at Manhattan’s “Soul Watering Hole” DIG DEEPER, well we just knew he’d have a copy…UBER RARE Northern Soul BOTH SIDES! History: You are viewing one hideously elusive 45 - we are aware of another copy which Richard Searling had covered up at Wigan, Richard’s copy unfortunately suffered severe label damage from it’s primitive disguising. So let’s talk about this perfect flawless promo - that we are not ashamed to say is our first copy EVER, of a record who’s reputation has simmered away on the back burner of Soul-aficionados conversations since the late 70s steadily but surely falling into NS Folklore. It’s Stan “Ooo Child” Vincent who drives the session with these East Coast Four Season clones. Very reminiscent in make up to Del-Larks - In Crowd - oddity. Both sides utilize a full Orchestra and dazzling harmonies swerving through an horn-storm of immense presence. It’s different, it’s refreshing and is absolutely insanely unobtainable & it’s flawless. For those of you who get a kick out of owning those “impossible vinyls” in the best possible condition - do not pass by. It’s took me 44 years to unearth this copy… Sorry, this item has already been won! The winning bid was £ 524.00
Pete S Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 Ian Levine's got that Barrons record, he put it one of his first podcasts.
Frankie Crocker Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 Velours? Are the MGM issues the next collectable black label for completists who've bagged the black RCA's? Major Lance went for more than expected but becoming hard to find in good nick as those in the know, sit on their copies.
Guest Aaron Darcy Posted July 2, 2014 Posted July 2, 2014 Velours stock copy is well over priced its rare but not worth that kind of money 'imo £450 or £500
Guest turntableterra Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 sorry aaron, but I have to disagree. I haven't seen any for sale ever. i went to 800 and lost and if I hadn't been asleep I would have gone to 900 so he got it cheap. and yes everyone has been jumping on the issue bandwagon these past few years making them harder to aquire
Kegsy Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 £317 for Alexander Patton. Its not that rare on U.S. surely.
Pete S Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Velours stock copy is well over priced its rare but not worth that kind of money 'imo £450 or £500 I agree with you Aaron. I base it on if I've ever had one. I think I've had every MGM stocker. I'd definitely ask £500 though.
Pete S Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 £317 for Alexander Patton. Its not that rare on U.S. surely. Does rarity even come into it? 3
Ted Massey Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 I bought the Velours stocker out of the record collector in the 80's from a collection from one of the dj's at the Mojo Club in Sheffield apparently they had given him a copy
Neilb Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 As the winner of the Velours stock copy auction, I can't see why the record isn't worth what it sold for. Its rare and I've been after it for years without a sniff. JM not had a copy for at least 14 years, 1 copy noted on popspike in the last 11 years, PB not had a copy .There were 4 people who were bidding for it and turntableterra, if he hadn't been asleep, would have paid £900. 2
Pete S Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) JM not had a copy for at least 14 years, 1 copy noted on popspike in the last 11 years, PB not had a copy . is that what rarity is measured by nowadays then? (What I mean is - Ive probably got 2 or 300 hundred records that those two haven't got - does that make them rare?) Edited July 3, 2014 by Pete S
Neilb Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 No I never suggested that you measure rarity by those 3 sources alone, I was just making the point the record is rare and there were a number of bidders after it. 1
Pete S Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 No I never suggested that you measure rarity by those 3 sources alone, I was just making the point the record is rare and there were a number of bidders after it. It sure is a rare record and I can understand why people were after it.
Guest Aaron Darcy Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Does rarity even come into it? Not rare 'imo price should be no more than £200
Pete S Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Not rare 'imo price should be no more than £200 I know that, you know that, surely a potential buyer should also know that, or is it simply that people don't care how much they spend as they have money to burn, and it saves them having to trawl through ebay and sales lists? Why would someone pay £100 plus for an Ernest Mosley bootleg on ebay? Why would someone ask over £100 for a Ronnie & Robyn pressing? Just doesn't make any sense to me at all. 2
Frankie Crocker Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 As the winner of the Velours stock copy auction, I can't see why the record isn't worth what it sold for. Its rare and I've been after it for years without a sniff. JM not had a copy for at least 14 years, 1 copy noted on popspike in the last 11 years, PB not had a copy .There were 4 people who were bidding for it and turntableterra, if he hadn't been asleep, would have paid £900. Well done son. Sounds like it is going to a good home. You need a seek and destroy mentality to win anything rare these days. Always wise to remember that it is far easier to find large sums of money than rare records. 3
Frankie Crocker Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 I know that, you know that, surely a potential buyer should also know that, or is it simply that people don't care how much they spend as they have money to burn, and it saves them having to trawl through ebay and sales lists? Why would someone pay £100 plus for an Ernest Mosley bootleg on ebay? Why would someone ask over £100 for a Ronnie & Robyn pressing? Just doesn't make any sense to me at all. Pete, remember money is for spending and what better to spend it on than records. Baffled why bootlegs go for tidy sums but if someone has more money than sense, they are not likely to complain about a tune they evidently like. 1
Premium Stuff Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) JM not had a copy for at least 14 years, 1 copy noted on popspike in the last 11 years, PB not had a copy .There were 4 people who were bidding for it and turntableterra, if he hadn't been asleep, would have paid £900. is that what rarity is measured by nowadays then? (What I mean is - Ive probably got 2 or 300 hundred records that those two haven't got - does that make them rare?) To be honest I reckon that how many John has had (and he has tracked his stock/sales on a fab database in detail over many years as we know), or Pat has had, or Tim has had, or Pete has had, plus Popsike etc is a pretty good measure of how rare this record is. Top auction sellers don't get everything of course, but they do get plenty of top drawer rarest of the rare sounds. This is as decent data as we are likely to get in our field - facts and figures - albeit that some of the data are rough and ready it still means something Rare soul sellers are very different aren't they. I reckon for an undeniably rare record like this these days, the fact that John hasn't had one for 14 years and Pat presumably says he has never had one etc says pretty much that this is sh*t rare, sh*t rare ... When did you have your copy Pete please? Any info if you can recall would be useful. I reckon it's a genuinely fair price - could have been higher by the sounds of it too. After all, what's the price going to be when the next one comes along? From the pics it looked truly beautiful. Cheers Richard Edited July 3, 2014 by Premium Stuff 1
Premium Stuff Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 I've probably got 2 or 300 hundred records that those two haven't got - does that make them rare?) No it doesn't Pete
Raresoul45s Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 I sold a copy for £750 feb 2007 the guy who bought it is on here, so if he wants to add anything that's up-to him. Oh and it was VG+ Only. Not had a sniff of one since. Cheers Darren
Pete S Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) To be honest I reckon that how many John has had (and he has tracked his stock/sales on a fab database in detail over many years as we know), or Pat has had, or Tim has had, or Pete has had, plus Popsike etc is a pretty good measure of how rare this record is. Top auction sellers don't get everything of course, but they do get plenty of top drawer rarest of the rare sounds. This is as decent data as we are likely to get in our field - facts and figures - albeit that some of the data are rough and ready it still means something Rare soul sellers are very different aren't they. I reckon for an undeniably rare record like this these days, the fact that John hasn't had one for 14 years and Pat presumably says he has never had one etc says pretty much that this is sh*t rare, sh*t rare ... When did you have your copy Pete please? Any info if you can recall would be useful. I reckon it's a genuinely fair price - could have been higher by the sounds of it too. After all, what's the price going to be when the next one comes along? From the pics it looked truly beautiful. Cheers Richard I had mine for years as a play out copy, I also got my mate John's when he sold up, and I had one when I was in Hastings so that's three I've had. Two Carol & Gerri's. One Dean Courtney. Two Charades. Bear in mind in the years 1998 to 2001, every man and his dog was selling me records. One that stands out that I never saw again was Don Ray on black RCA. I used to do a list of 50 proper rare items, every single week. As I've said before many times, the only one that I know I'll never see again is the Dean Courtney issue. Sorry, I didn't answer your question. First one I got about 1999 and kept for years, sold when I packed in djing mid 2000's, second would have been 2001, third (my mates copy) I sold in 2009. Edited July 3, 2014 by Pete S
Pete S Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 The trouble is, nobody knows who's got what at any given time. Records come and go very quickly, well they do with me, the faster I sell it, the better. I'll have 3 records for sale next week which will make a lot of people foam at the mouth (one from L.A. two from Detroit) but I could sell them privately and no one will know I had them. People rely too much on Popsike and Ebay and whether JM's had a copy. You're just going to have to take my word for it. Like, say, Ritchie Adams Congress red issue - who's got one? I know I sold one to Nige Brown, but nobody else even saw me with it. I have absolutely no reason to fib about whether I've had a record or not. I was only saying today, I've never even seen a copy of Sammy Lee despite liking it for 37 years. Never had a Lou Pride. Loads I've never had.
Guest Awake 502 Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Spot on.... I have had my Sammy Lee since the 70's but not really active anymore so it stays filed away.... not for sale....
Pete Eccles Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 The trouble is, nobody knows who's got what at any given time. Records come and go very quickly, well they do with me, the faster I sell it, the better. I'll have 3 records for sale next week which will make a lot of people foam at the mouth (one from L.A. two from Detroit) but I could sell them privately and no one will know I had them. People rely too much on Popsike and Ebay and whether JM's had a copy. You're just going to have to take my word for it. Like, say, Ritchie Adams Congress red issue - who's got one? I know I sold one to Nige Brown, but nobody else even saw me with it. I have absolutely no reason to fib about whether I've had a record or not. I was only saying today, I've never even seen a copy of Sammy Lee despite liking it for 37 years. Never had a Lou Pride. Loads I've never had. That's the funny thing, Nige has the Ritchie Adams red issue as does Bob Hinsley, both friends of mine who I have been on the same line-up as many many times, so I could be forgiven for thinking the issue isn't really that rare, yet they could be the only 2 that own one, like you say - who really knows
Guest Aaron Darcy Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 I know that, you know that, surely a potential buyer should also know that, or is it simply that people don't care how much they spend as they have money to burn, and it saves them having to trawl through ebay and sales lists? Why would someone pay £100 plus for an Ernest Mosley bootleg on ebay? Why would someone ask over £100 for a Ronnie & Robyn pressing? Just doesn't make any sense to me at all. People who have no knowledge buy boots ' reissues etc and in some case's they think they purchased the real deal on the cheap. Some of these people have heard of northern soul 'read about northern soul' simply jump on the bandwagon .
Quinvy Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Some rare 45's that I have owned have had a history like a family tree. Been owned by well known collectors and dealers/Dj's over the years. People don't realise that a lot of well known Dj's are constantly moving records on, they keep it quiet and then everyone thinks they still have them. 2
Flanny Posted July 4, 2014 Posted July 4, 2014 Spot on.... I have had my Sammy Lee since the 70's but not really active anymore so it stays filed away.... not for sale....bugger!!!!!!!!!!!!! sat waiting for one to come along, sold mine to Mick H years ago
Quinvy Posted July 4, 2014 Posted July 4, 2014 bugger!!!!!!!!!!!!! sat waiting for one to come along, sold mine to Mick H years ago Marc Forrest is selling one here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/347276541975044/707190142650347/?notif_t=group_activity
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