Premium Stuff Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Nick Please read the PM I sent you Thanks Richard
El Corol Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Well thats a turn up for the books! Nice find and after all this time as well. Begs the question of how many were pressed as I can't see them pressing a run of one, so what happened there then?
Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Well thats a turn up for the books! Nice find and after all this time as well. Begs the question of how many were pressed as I can't see them pressing a run of one, so what happened there then? You're right, absolutely no way they only pressed one...but maybe this guy took a copy, before they said they had to be destroyed...or something along those lines
El Corol Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 You're right, absolutely no way they only pressed one...but maybe this guy took a copy, before they said they had to be destroyed...or something along those lines Makes me wonder how many more might have "escaped" like that and what became of their fate? How much stuff has ended up as land fill?
Sean Hampsey Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Saw it on here last night. Hardly slept a wink! After this ANYTHING is possible. Sean
Alan Bonthrone1 Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 How many would have been produced in an average 1960, s run?Makes me wonder how many more might have "escaped" like that and what became of their fate? How much stuff has ended up as land fill?
Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 How many would have been produced in an average 1960, s run? On a label like London, I'd have said between 300 and 600 preliminary run for something that wasn't a guaranteed hit. I'll try and find out
Gene-r Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Given that it took 48 years for the (so far) only known stock copy of Darrell Banks on London to turn up, I wonder if there's still hope for this after 58 years? https://www.45cat.com/record/msd1376
KevH Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Having had a dip in my mojo recently this had lifted my spirits. What a find.And one of the most iconic double siders EVER.Brought a tear to my eye i can tell you.
Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 It's all round the world now, my facebook post has been shared loads of times, it really is historic
Gene-r Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 How long now before Record Collector magazine pick up on it, I wonder?
Premium Stuff Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Nobody batted an eyelid when I posted up this Canadian Revilot up a few years ago - that it seemed nobody had seen before Cheers Richard
Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 How long now before Record Collector magazine pick up on it, I wonder? I did tell them about it but no response
Gene-r Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) I did tell them about it but no response Interesting. Probably best to keep tabs on it to see if they do publish something regardless. Obviously the interest for this is twofold - British soul collectors and London collectors alike. Edited June 16, 2014 by Gene-R
Liamgp Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Interesting. Probably best to keep tabs on it to see if they do publish something regardless. They should do an article, after all records this rare are unlikely to appear every month. For collectors it's a holy grail 45, although not, of course, a rare sound as it's easily found on other labels. It does raise the question of whether other copies will now appear as non-soul-aware individuals may have one but don't know the importance of it.
El Corol Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Well it would be good to hear the full story in Record Collector, unless NickW would care to give Soul Source a fuller acount beforehand? Also, if Nick sells this at Auction it could it end up - dare i even say this, overseas! Probably doubtful but you never know. I think a British label rarity should stay in Britain. I am therefore setting up a fund to enable me to buy this 45 if it comes to auction for the express purpose of keeping this British rarity in Great Britain. I am of course doing this for all the soulies and London label collectors of Gt Britain and intend to tour it round allnighters/soul nights/record fairs and local museums the length and breadth of Britain. All donations gratefully received and accepted as "gift on Paypal. Just contact through here and I'll send you my email address.
Rob Wigley Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 They should do an article, after all records this rare are unlikely to appear every month. For collectors it's a holy grail 45, although not, of course, a rare sound as it's easily found on other labels. It does raise the question of whether other copies will now appear as non-soul-aware individuals may have one but don't know the importance of it. "‹I think that the subject of Darrell banks has been well covered in record Collector over the years and anyone owning a copy would maybe have cashed in long ago This is a fantastic find, well done Nick. Not one person on here thought it existed in an issue format, nice to think someone salted it away all those years ago , sneaked out in his "Snap Bag" along with a clutch of Stones and Billy Fury 45s. Holy Grail is used so often on records these days, this presses so many of the "Right" buttons its unbelievable and it has a very broad appeal, £10K ? More I'd say if 2 or 3 of the heavy weight collectors got involved, plus the London label guys with money..the sky is the limit. If you had limitless funds and one record missing....................how high do you go...once in a lifetime 1 (ps did you look in the shed Nick in the spares drawer ?) Once again I take my hat off to you Rob
pikeys dog Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 If any copies had been released you would have expected at least one beat up copy to have turned up by now. More likely it was pressed in the smallest run possible - did Decca do a minimum press of combined issues and demos? - then the issues melted down when they decided to pull it.
Twoshoes Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 I'd love to read Manship's description of this if he got to sell it.Well done mate .
Agentsmith Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 not unless, as the guy said, they worked at the decca pressing plant, that person obtained it, more than likely as a file copy and from the description of what else was purchased from the deceased's estate, the chap was selecting stuff randomly. it's rareity is beyond question, regardless of the fact it's a known record...if anyone is still alive who was in a somewhat privilaged position and similar circumstances then the chances are other copies may have surfaced by now....we've just witnessed a 48 year miracle, the possibility of lightning striking twice isn't beyond the realms because we have seen that happen with other "grails" but this has gravitas that confounds comprehension...it's value quite simply, outweighs those of recent discoveries..the desire to own this will be of immense proportions, and it is still one of the greatest double-a sided records ever produced, a timeless dancer, a magical slice of detroit in it's hey day and a blistering vocal, signifying darrell banks awesome talent....
Gene-r Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) I'd love to read Manship's description of this if he got to sell it.Well done mate . I reckon he'll be completely salivating when he hears about it! Edited June 16, 2014 by Gene-R
Liamgp Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 "‹I think that the subject of Darrell banks has been well covered in record Collector over the years and anyone owning a copy would maybe have cashed in long ago This is a fantastic find, well done Nick. Not one person on here thought it existed in an issue format, nice to think someone salted it away all those years ago , sneaked out in his "Snap Bag" along with a clutch of Stones and Billy Fury 45s. Holy Grail is used so often on records these days, this presses so many of the "Right" buttons its unbelievable and it has a very broad appeal, £10K ? More I'd say if 2 or 3 of the heavy weight collectors got involved, plus the London label guys with money..the sky is the limit. If you had limitless funds and one record missing....................how high do you go...once in a lifetime 1 (ps did you look in the shed Nick in the spares drawer ?) Once again I take my hat off to you Rob It has the potential for a very interesting article. Not only about the life and tragic death of Banks, but the discovery of the London 45. The only possible legal problem I can see (as a former journalist) is explaining how the original owner obtained it. It might be a bit tricky if it was suggested he 'sneaked out' the record!
Guest MBarrett Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 a large collection of 45s that I bought from the estate of a deceased Decca pressing plant employee. Would love to know more about the back story. i.e. did you buy the collection from a family member or did it go to auction?
Gene-r Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) It has the potential for a very interesting article. Not only about the life and tragic death of Banks, but the discovery of the London 45. The only possible legal problem I can see (as a former journalist) is explaining how the original owner obtained it. It might be a bit tricky if it was suggested he 'sneaked out' the record! Would there be a problem, though? Do you remember the American singles on coloured vinyl (run-of-the-mill pop singles, but for which 'one copy exists on coloured vinyl') which John Tefteller publicised as being pressed up by a pressing plant employee as one-offs for his own collection and amusement? He seemed to get away with it. Edited June 16, 2014 by Gene-R
Liamgp Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Would there be a problem, though? Do you remember the American singles on coloured vinyl (run-of-the-mill pop singles, but for which 'one copy exists on coloured vinyl') which John Tefteller publicised as being pressed up by a pressing plant employee as one-offs? He seemed to get away with it. I'm talking about family members not taking kindly to their Dad (or Uncle, etc) possibly being portrayed as a bit 'light fingered'. It sounds insignificant, but you would be amazed (actually probably not) at how touchy people can be about such matters. For all we know, he might have been given it, permitted to help himself or actually paid for it, so at the present it's speculation really.
Gene-r Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) I'm talking about family members not taking kindly to their Dad (or Uncle, etc) possibly being portrayed as a bit 'light fingered'. It sounds insignificant, but you would be amazed (actually probably not) at how touchy people can be about such matters. For all we know, he might have been given it, permitted to help himself or actually paid for it, so at the present it's speculation really. Yes. Good point. I guess one way around it is if the pressing plant employee remained anonymous? Edited June 16, 2014 by Gene-R
Liamgp Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Yes. Good point. Anyway, enough of all that. Back to the music!
KevH Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 I'd love to read Manship's description of this if he got to sell it.Well done mate . Yes,JM will go into superlative meltdown.!!!
Ernie Andrews Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Fantastic Find Nick! Well done and I hope the warm feeling of finding such a rarity lasts a few weeks if not months. If you do put it for auction we must have a sweep stake on here for what it will go for! Well done again
45cellar Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 A & B side images plus matrix pics here I am not great with a camera and there is some reflection but see if they are any help! Amazing find, congratulations.
Wiggyflat Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 From that scan it looks as though it has got some damage to the left hand side...where the prongs meet.Its a shame the photo wasnt on a white background
Sheep Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Just to add, absolutely blown away by this, never in a million years did I expect to see one of these in my lifetime, 40 plus years of handling British items, as I say, blown away..
Steve Thomas Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Fantastic find Nick you are now in the northern soul `HALL OF FAME¬
Sheep Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Can you elaborate on exactly how you came to find this please ?
Gene-r Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) From that scan it looks as though it has got some damage to the left hand side...where the prongs meet.Its a shame the photo wasnt on a white background I can't see it. Looks OK to me. And it is on a white background, isn't it? Edited June 16, 2014 by Gene-R
Guest MrC Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Here's the photo Pete posted on Facebook - looks ok to me!
Sheep Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 If you sell, place on here, not Mr Manships auction !!!
Kegsy Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 2 Frank Wilson's got nicked............. Anybody know the details for the Decca records pension scheme, phone no, website, list of former employees.
Steve G Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) The only possible legal problem I can see (as a former journalist) is explaining how the original owner obtained it. It might be a bit tricky if it was suggested he 'sneaked out' the record! I doubt anyone would be bothered now…..certainly not Decca / London . In the world of coin collecting it's similar to the 1933 One Penny. Edited June 16, 2014 by Steve G
Mike Lofthouse Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) When it was discussed on here a while back as to who's version was the best DB or J.J. Barnes, I said............................. Darrell Banks is the epitome of Northern Soul - for me it defines the whole thing.... ....A 60's UK release (on the iconic Stateside label) ....A legendary promo only release on an earlier UK label (London) ....A non Motown Detroit release (on Revilot ) ....A fantastic double sider with Open the Door (maybe the best double sider ever) ....A truly great Soul Man and Singer........................................One 45 ...anyone asks about Northern Soul - give them a copy Now we can add a single UK issue copy on London that has been hidden away for just shy of 50 years!!!!!!! Edited June 16, 2014 by Mike Lofthouse
purist Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 If 150 SS collectors all bought a ticket for £100, assuming the seller would take £15,000 right now, then the winning ticket drawn gets to keep the record. Hands up how many of us would risk a ton to have a go?
Pete S Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 If 150 SS collectors all bought a ticket for £100, assuming the seller would take £15,000 right now, then the winning ticket drawn gets to keep the record. Hands up how many of us would risk a ton to have a go? I would
Gene-r Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 HOLY F**K!!!!! Kinda what went through my mind when it was confirmed!
Northern Soul Uk Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) Pete S, I got no response from Record collector either after you advised me to about the 'Solomon King - This beautiful day', with the different titled 'A' side and the different matrix numbers.. Seems that they may only be interested in what THEY discover. I know nowhere near the same scale as this but still interesting all the same. Edited June 16, 2014 by Northern Soul UK
Gene-r Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Pete S, I got no response from Record collector either after you advised me to about the 'Solomon King - This beautiful day', with the different titled 'A' side and the different matrix numbers.. Seems that they may only be interested in what THEY discover. I know nowhere near the same scale as this but still interesting all the same. That's what I thought. Or trying to pass off other peoples' discoveries as their own.
Winsford Soul Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Having had a dip in my mojo recently this had lifted my spirits.What a find.And one of the most iconic double siders EVER.Brought a tear to my eye i can tell you.Me to Kev. Just wish my mate Keith Brady RIP was still here to witness this findSteve
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