John Manship Auction Results 11 - 6 2014

[JOE TORQUAY]

Jimmy " Preacher " Ellie I'm Gonna Dio It By Myself C/w Go Head On

This weeks standout R&B offering is just insanely RARE!

This will delight the fans of top drawer R&B because it’s been a surefire dancefloor banker played off the 1966 Shreveport based Jewel label for a few decades now - but on it’s VERY FIRST Los Angeles label from the summer of ‘66 it’s a record that will also energize those of you driven in the quest of owning the “impossible” small label 1st releases.

Fats Washington’s L.A. conveyor-belt of Soul & Blues on the Movin’ Label was crammed with goodies throughout the mid-60’s and never ever disappoints; a “Fats” production guarantees attitude, power and energy. Check out some of his other artists on his rosta - Clyde Allen, Lowell Fulsom, Big Mama Thornton, Roy Milton, James King Curry, Ace Holder to name but a few…

Fats’s “Movin’” label was street-level but had a very impressive output of small-run recordings.. this one I’ve seen less of than any of the others.. as far as Northern Soul is concerned, it is the label’s rarest and most valued 45 - our first copy in memory and condition is “divine”

When will you see another of this proven dance-floor detonator in this form..?

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The winning bid was £ 513.00

 

Ambassadors Ain't Got The Love One Girl (on My Mind)

One of the very hard to acquire Arctic’s just happens to be one of this iconic labels finest offerings. Vocal Group Northern Soul BLISS” that in more recent times has broken through to be one of Jimmy Bishop’s “Most Wanted”

A delicious mid-tempo groove from the pen of Philly Princess “Barbara Mason” who gives up her signature catchy and meaningful lyrics woven into an high quality arrangement that we’ve come to expect from this label.

Tightly stitched vocal harmonize their way through that compulsory “vibe” littered arrangement.

Click the soundfile and witness Philly-Perfection … total NS CLASS!

Condition of the labels & the vinyl could not be better..

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The winning bid was £ 138.00

 

Tony Hester Just Can't Leave You C/w Watch Yourself

Let’s get serious - surely this is “Pied Piper’s” rarest and one of the greatest 7” offerings!

A 45 that of course emerged on the Karate label for wider distribution but as this the FIRST PRESS Detroit label, it is near impossible to snare.

So when a near perfect copy breaks surface do not pause because we doubt we’ll ever get this lucky again - TWO perfect labels and vinyl to match.

Truly awesome condition.

A formidable tune with both sides pleasuring the Northern Soul faithful since I was a youngster; with “Just Can’t Leave You” rising up in the late 80s as an “100 Club anthem” as the sift from the NS thumpers to sublime mid-tempo’s started to take hold.

Without question the “Pied Piper” team are my favourite studio-squad, and this is one of my top-PP-tunes, offering an imposing-stomper on one side & a breathtaking mid-paced master-class of Detroit Soul on the other.

Condition, Condition, Condition - Rarity, Rarity Rarity - Class, Class, Class and more CLASS!

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The winning bid was £ 574.00

 

Gene Chandler Live On Stage

ACTION LABEL who doesn’t love the Action label the understudy for the departed British SUE it carried on the tradition of the eye-catching label, garish as apposed to those boring black & silver EMI offerings. Action brought life into collecting labels..and today’s some 46 years later collectors are still striving to complete this impressive series.

Here’s one of this eminent “Soul” label albums is glorious “filed” only condition. hardly a blemish to spoil it’s perfectness.

So listen to not only “The Duke” strut his stuff but also witness the legendary E. Rodney Jones purr out the introduction with his matchless voice.

RARE and in condition you just don’t see these days

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The winning bid was £ 66.00

 

Chandlers (never Before) Your Love Keeps Drawing Me Closer C/w I Love You, Girl

I’ve always doubted the authenticity of the copies you see of this 45 with the “QCA matrix”. Even though the label credits the same writer/producer (but in poorly quality text. The acknowledged “Rite Sound” 1st press, the deadwax width and matrix markings are totally different that can suggest only one thing. The QCA press is a later and was remastered (sound is lower) calibration of the grooves are tighter and was not lifted from the same master plate. Whether that press was a bootleg or a later Jeff Smith project is unclear.

What is however glaringly clear is the “RITE” sound press before you today, is the 100% original first press. Note: for easy identification the artist credit is in “lower case” but also the sound has much better fidelity and depth.

Personally I think, if the QCA copies did not exist this Northern Soul vocal group masterclass would be tipping the scales at 4 figures. It is extremely elusive and darn near impossible in perfect condition.

Click the soundfile and unleash not just highly-accomplished Northern Soul but also sublime vocal harmony ballad on the flip!

For those of you who will not entertain any form of re-issue this is the ONLY way to own this 45… and what a 45 is is too.. utterly KILLER TUNE!

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The winning bid was £ 334.00

[JOE TORQUAY]

 

The Real Thing Heavy Togeher

No not the English Soul group but a Morty Craft collaboration with Boo-ga-loo Bandmaster Louis Ramirez that was the forerunner to Northern Soul classic by the Jobell Orchestra “Never Gonna Give You Up”.

Get on this 45 NOW ..it’s getting talked about and the blend of Latin Salsa of the Ramirez percussion section and Morty’s East Coast Horn Barrage are a Northern Soul marriage that lasts..

Fresh, different but familiar enough for instant dance floor reaction.. do we need to validate it’s rarity - we think not because the buzz is most have never heard it…

A Monster instrumental is stirring..

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The winning bid was £ 161.00

 

Louis Paul The Change Will Do You Good

The “Big City Sound” just cannot get any “bigger”.

This month we’ve talked of the talents of Arthur Wright but Los Angeles of course had another prolific Northern Soul contributor in the shape of H. B. Barnum who’s vibe littered arrangement on this September 1966 creation is typical of the man.

What a tune was conjured up, that autumn in California, as H.B. joins the producer of one of the decades most-inventive records Charles Underwood the inspiration behind Bobby Picket’s “Monster Mash” again pushing studio boundaries.

THIS IS NO ORDINARY - Northern Soul beater - this is “As Good As It Gets” and “As Rare As They Come” you about to be very impressed with an almighty production; killer Mac Rebennack lyrics, a fabulously constructed H.B. dance arrangement, a snarling vocal, yelping girls, and an unusual “Tick Tock” break that definitely pulls from Charles Underwood’s earlier studio successes.

FANTASTICAL HAUNTING NORTHERN SOUL and DOG-RARE!

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The winning bid was £ 453.00

 

Jnr. Walker & The All Stars Do You See My Love (for You Growing) C/w Move And Groove

We have mentioned the phenomena of some Green & White British TMG’s being inexplicably rarer than others.. I have no idea why, but I do know after 15 years of data compiling this is out FIRST PROMO copy, E-Bay tracking sites only reveal TWO sales from the world of record dealing.

Junior Walker & Johnny Bristol rework the very elusive 1962 Johnny & Jackey Tri-Phi recording. Johnny updates to carve out another extra special piece of Motown that failed miserably compared to Junior’s other releases of the time.

Condition is impeccable - why it’s Unicorn-Rare as a DEMO.. we don’t know.. but it darn well is.

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The winning bid was £ 108.00

 

Sonny Herman What About Me Vocal & Instrumental

Not many writer/arranger/producers can offer a guarantee of musical content…but Arthur Wright can…

..when the name ARTHUR WRIGHT appears on a label you know you’re in for a Roller-Coaster ride of ultimate stomping Northern Soul, as the man consistently throws a kitchen-sink of horns to compliment his clear-cut piano rhythm crafting some Northern Soul’s finest offerings.

Here is “Off-The-Scale” pounding Northern Soul showcasing what this man is all about . Check out ALL Arthur’s work, I can think of no other studio magician who packed more into his sessions.

This offering Sonny Herman on the eye-catching and extremely rare UTOPIA label encapsulates Los Angeles Northern Soul perfectly.

This copy plays the instrumental & the vocal on opposite sides - listen and prepare to go staggering backwards in the presence of Arthur and REAL-DEAL-NORTHERN SOUL.

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The winning bid was £ 349.00

 

Samantha Jones And Suddenly

Fabulous UK only version of the Cherry People’s Northern Soul & Wigan Casino classic, undoubtedly one of the rarer UK NS Promo’s.

The innovative “French” record producer Mark Wirtz , the man who gave Northern Soul and the British Pirate Radio Stations “A Touch Of Velvet - A String Of Brass” also gave us 60-somethings, childhood memories with “Grocer Jack” also performing valued work at Abbey Road Studios.. guides Brit-Girl Samantha Jones and reworks “Left Banke” & “Cherry People’s” USA recording and gives it a European-punch.

This is Wigan Casino / Cleethorpes Pier from the “Nine Times Out Of Ten” age when everything was feelgood/upbeat/bouncy happy dancefloor food.

But every time-served UK collector will confirm this record never hit the heights of Muriel Day, for one reason only, it was annoyingly hard to find. Damn hard in fact, I avidly collected “British” for most of 70’s & 80s and found “Ray Of Sunshine” far easier to locate.

This listing is for the many British completers we serve, who will no doubt have this missing or not have the DEMO or not have it in “keeper” condition.

This listing is all of those things and more, because if this was just as available as “Ray Of Sunshine” this too would have joined the ranks in the “Nine Times..” hall of fame..especially as the “Cherry People” version had already been a huge tune at all “The Niters” of the day.

Before you today, is the genius of Mark Wirtz manifesting itself as a neat clean 1968 very rarely seen DEMO!

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The winning bid was £ 87.00

[JOE TORQUAY]

Little Tommy Baby Can't You See C/w I'm Still Hurt

The most-wanted least seen 45 on August Moon’s highly-coveted Richmond, Virginia vehicle for local soul artists.

Utterly stunning Northern Soul that has been seriously elusive since day-one!

This copy is had my eyes-wide-open as I lifted it from it sleeve to reveal the finest copy I’ve ever experienced - the two pristine labels give you and indication of just how near perfect this 45 is.

WE do not ever expect to list a better copy - so do not let it pass you by.

Sorry, this item has already been won!
The winning bid was £ 1,469.00

 

Nate Evans Main Squeeze C/w Pardon My Innocent Heart

“Crazy About Crossover?”

You are about to hear the PROMO “A4KM-4317-1” mix of this Memphis collides with Chicago mid-tempo dance grooves.

Rippling horns are joined by a rhythmic piano, Nate’s smooth vocal handles Earle Randle’s lyrics, listing all the “girls” who are not available for love tonight. He needs a regular “Main-squeeze”, approving girls chirp out the chorus as the layers of impeccable Northern Soul crossover develop.

Syl Johnson’s production is flawless, blending the vital components of a silky lead, piano, horns and sultry ladies..into what has been a “Soul Essence” anthem for decades.

Flip it over and you’re transported to the “Deep Lounge” with Nate writing the lyrics, that take him into a Deep Soul abyss aided by equally mournful Sisters adding depth to his despairing case with their shrill response..

TWO great sides - rare-real-soul offering the best of two genres.

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The winning bid was £ 237.00

 

Helen Shapiro Stop And You Will Become Aware

A hidden away as a flipside, given birth by an army of British Junk Shop and market stall Northern Soul “Ferrets” who’s thirst for a new tune was unquenchable. Once the British productions were in favor with the dancers and DJ’s circa 1974 onwards…

Starting life after an NS archeologists sold it on to a DJ who consequently being covered up, to be convincingly played as the new “Dana Valery” discovery “Stop Pretending”. This overnight NS Monster…not only ignited rushes to the dancefloor it also sparked off rsprints to the local record shops in the hope of old stock being held.

But not that many over the years have surfaced - it was a late release for Helen fully 5 years after her initial Top 30 chart success and as a B-side, Helen out of the Pop limelight, this 45 sold virtually nothing.

Today this gleaming copy still sounds as great as the day I first heard it and even after constant promotion from the much-loved Nev Wherry, we never tired of hearing the potent production designed to accompany one of British strongest girl vocalists of all time..

This copy is in blinding condition, throughout!

Sorry, this item has already been won!
The winning bid was £ 312.00

 

Chris Clark Soul Sounds

One of the most-wanted in the first 100 in the series.

The preferred by most MONO variation in superb clean condition.

Two perfect labels, neat clean vinyl only revealing a couple of minuscule blemishes in strong light..Cover as you can see is also in sparkling condition couple of very light laminate veins, minor corner bump otherwise beautiful. Back cover totally clean.

If you need me to explain this ladies musical contribution to Motown just browse the impressive 12 track gallery!

Not a bad track on the album - and of course she’s beautiful..

Sorry, this item has already been won!
The winning bid was £ 160.00

[Prophonics 2029]

You must think I haven't got the brains to see right through your masquerade.

Is the issue harder than a demo. Tia
Wonder if there is stereo master tape.

 

 

For my you can't beat a good old Bethnal Green's girl Version

Edited June 12, 2014 by Prophonics 2029

[ShorterSoul]

That Louis Paul went rather cheap, awesome record

[Orotava]

Helen Shapiro - £312 ???

[Pete S]

You must think I haven't got the brains to see right through your masquerade.

Is the issue harder than a demo. Tia

Wonder if there is stereo master tape.

 

 

For my you can't beat a good old Bethnal Green's girl Version

 

That Earl Okin version is complete sh*te...so slow and boring.

[Pete S]

Helen Shapiro - £312 ???

 

get one of the new counterfeits, stick it in a Columbia sleeve, you simply cannot tell the difference (until you take it out and there's no milling round the label)

[Mal C]

That Louis Paul went rather cheap, awesome record

I thought that, paid nearly double that for mine 6/7 years ago...

 

Malcolm

[Orotava]

get one of the new counterfeits, stick it in a Columbia sleeve, you simply cannot tell the difference (until you take it out and there's no milling round the label)

 

 

Got one - thanks to your good self Pete !! 

[Pete S]

Got one - thanks to your good self Pete !! 

 

What did you think, looks the dogs doesn't it?

[Premium Stuff]

Thought Tony Hestor on Giant was a good buyer's price.

Edited June 12, 2014 by Premium Stuff

[Orotava]

What did you think, looks the dogs doesn't it?

 

I`ve literally just opened it - well pleased!!  As you say, it looks the cats @rse 

[Quinvy]

Unbelievable that Little Tommy can fetch that price when so many copies turned up a few years ago, and yet Louis Paul and Sonny Herman [which is a far better record i.m.h.o.] go for buttons.

 

Very strange.

[Quinvy]

Thought Tony Hestor on Giant was a good buyer's price.

 

You have to be serious about collecting to pay so much for what is a very common record on Karate.

[Steve G]

That Earl Okin version is complete sh*te...so slow and boring.

 

Yes have to agree Pete. I found a CBS WD in a junk shop in High Brooms when Helen Shapiro was all the rage in the 70s. 10p it was....rushed home thinking I'd discovered some great alternative version of Russ's monster. I nearly took it back to the junk shop for a refund I was so disappointed.

[Pete S]

Thought Tony Hestor on Giant was a good buyer's price.

 

I thought it was double actual price!

[grant]

paid £200 for my H Shapiro about 3 years ago

[Guest SteveJohnston]

I thought it was double actual price!

Pete have you ever sold a copy on Giant?

Until I looked at one in a private collection this year I've never seen one!1 & if John Manship is saying this you can bet its a very hard 7 to find!:-

"Let’s get serious - surely this is “Pied Piper’s” rarest and one of the greatest 7” offerings"!

On a collecting Detroit front not many own a Giant copy of this track, so it seam a good buyers price to me.

Steve J

[Pete S]

Pete have you ever sold a copy on Giant?

Until I looked at one in a private collection this year I've never seen one!1 & if John Manship is saying this you can bet its a very hard 7 to find!:-

"Let’s get serious - surely this is “Pied Piper’s” rarest and one of the greatest 7” offerings"!

On a collecting Detroit front not many own a Giant copy of this track, so it seam a good buyers price to me.

Steve J

 

Of course I've sold a copy.  Other people get 'rare' records as well.  They just stick a sensible set sale price on them.

[Quinvy]

Pete have you ever sold a copy on Giant?

Until I looked at one in a private collection this year I've never seen one!1 & if John Manship is saying this you can bet its a very hard 7 to find!:-

"Let’s get serious - surely this is “Pied Piper’s” rarest and one of the greatest 7” offerings"!

On a collecting Detroit front not many own a Giant copy of this track, so it seam a good buyers price to me.

Steve J

 

John hasn't got a clue what's going through eBay.

[Guest SteveJohnston]

Pete I'm not saying other people don't get or sell rare records! ..........next time you get a copy on Giant in the condition as above and if your going to let it go for Half the price JM achieved can you please sell it to me. ;-) 

 

Steve J 

[Chalky]

Unbelievable that Little Tommy can fetch that price when so many copies turned up a few years ago, and yet Louis Paul and Sonny Herman [which is a far better record i.m.h.o.] go for buttons.

 

Very strange.

 

Somny Herman a bargain I thought.

[Quinvy]

Somny Herman a bargain I thought.

That's what I said. 

[Premium Stuff]

Of course I've sold a copy.  Other people get 'rare' records as well.  They just stick a sensible set sale price on them.

 

Pete would be good to know how many copies on Giant you have had, what condition they were in and how much you put on them for set sale 

 

Cheers

 

Richard

[Chalky]

That's what I said. 

 

I know I was kinda agreeing with you

Edited June 12, 2014 by chalky

[Ian Dewhirst]

Somny Herman a bargain I thought.

 

It's gone quite a way since it was £3 on Brian '45' Phillips list ay?

 

Ian D

[Godzilla]

That Earl Okin version is complete sh*te...so slow and boring.

 

 

Top bloke though!

[Guest Aaron Darcy]

Unbelievable that Little Tommy can fetch that price when so many copies turned up a few years ago, and yet Louis Paul and Sonny Herman [which is a far better record i.m.h.o.] go for buttons.

 

Very strange.

i thought the same  Sonny Herman great tune and it went cheap

[Guest Aaron Darcy]

It's gone quite a way since it was £3 on Brian '45' Phillips list ay?

 

Ian D

your quite right that was 40 years ago

[Pete S]

Pete would be good to know how many copies on Giant you have had, what condition they were in and how much you put on them for set sale 

 

Cheers

 

Richard

 

Yeah it would be great if I could remember every one of the 50,000 records I've sold and how much they all sold for.

[Mellorful]

Yeah it would be great if I could remember every one of the 50,000 records I've sold and how much they all sold for.

Very remiss off you Pete to forget how much you sold every one of the 50000 records for, but can you remember how much you paid for em?    .

[Premium Stuff]

I would not forget a Tony Hestor on Giant that's for sure 

[bri pinch]

think it went for even more the last time Manny auctioned a copy

[Pete S]

I would not forget a Tony Hestor on Giant that's for sure 

 

Why not, it's not a big deal...not exactly the Salvadors or del Larks I sold the other week, is it?

But hey if you want to give me £500 for the next one, you're welcome, everyone else can have it for £300.  

[Premium Stuff]

Why not, it's not a big deal...not exactly the Salvadors or del Larks I sold the other week, is it?

But hey if you want to give me £500 for the next one, you're welcome, everyone else can have it for £300.  

 

Already got it thank you - unplayed stock in a lovely original Pied Piper stamped sleeve used for promo purposes   

 

Cheers

 

Richard

[Pete S]

Already got it thank you - unplayed stock in a lovely original Pied Piper stamped sleeve used for promo purposes   

 

Cheers

 

Richard

 

Jolly good.

[Pete S]

Richard, I'll try and explain what I'm on about.  I've definitely had one, I think I've had two.  But I know I've had 3 Jimmy Macks, and that always sells for more than Tony Hester, but it's not really rare is it?  Now I know I've only ever had one Gambrells, I rate that as twice as hard as Jimmy Mack but it's only half the price.  So some records really stick in your mind, others, you just have for a few days and they are gone..Mr. Lucky, sold for 3K plus, but I couldn't tell you how it goes...

[Premium Stuff]

Richard, I'll try and explain what I'm on about.  I've definitely had one, I think I've had two.  But I know I've had 3 Jimmy Macks, and that always sells for more than Tony Hester, but it's not really rare is it?  Now I know I've only ever had one Gambrells, I rate that as twice as hard as Jimmy Mack but it's only half the price.  So some records really stick in your mind, others, you just have for a few days and they are gone..Mr. Lucky, sold for 3K plus, but I couldn't tell you how it goes...

 

Pete do you mean Jimmy Mack isn't rare or Tony Hestor on Giant isn't rare? 

 

Presuming you're talking about the Gambrells -You Better Move / Pain In My Heart on Carla - rather than the Gambrells - I Wan't To Be Yours / Pain In My Heart on Carla?   The latter is soooo much rarer than the first and most people I talk to have never seen/had "IWTBY / PIMH" or even heard "I Wan't To Be Yours".

 

I still think Tony Hestor on Giant is a rare record, especially to find it in top condition, and so it should command an appropriate price. For Detroit collectors, it is definitely up there in the rare, very good, double-sider, expensive and hard to get category - not a run of the mill record on the local Detroit release at all. Sure, I can see that the easily available national release on Karate (issue or demo - take your pick) might keep the price of the Giant release down somewhat for those who aren't quite as obsessed as folk like me about getting the original, local, rarest format all the time 

 

I think £500 (and the £574 in JM's auction this time) is below the true market value for a M- copy of Tony Hestor - and to be honest, selling one set sale for £300 would worry me. Reason why is that I am firmly of the view that it's possible to talk down the price of specific rare records and to depress the rare soul market generally. People who don't have the time or inclination to track details of price, condition, labels, formats etc. follow what people say on here, FB and elsewhere. I think there's a real potential risk that things like under-valuing records, talking down the rarity and value of rare items, and quick discounting can all have an effect on the price of such records (e.g. those held in collections, when they eventually come to market). In fact, I think this is already happening, partly evidenced by the strikingly fast discounting of sale items here on SS 

 

Cheers

 

Richard

Edited June 13, 2014 by Premium Stuff

[pow wow mik]

Top bloke though!

For real, do you know him? He got in touch with me when I put one of his records on youtube, ended up talking about all sorts of shit, very nice and interesting fellow; I love his pop/ psych track 'I cant face the animals'

[Modernsoulsucks]

T.H was never an expensive 45 when compared to Jimmy Mack, Dena Barnes, Thelma Lindsey.

An also-ran back then. £4/5 seen it years ago.

However it has turned out to be rare on Giant.

IMO more of a collector's record than an in-demand dj spin.

£500 seems about right to me.

ROD

[Godzilla]

For real, do you know him? He got in touch with me when I put one of his records on youtube, ended up talking about all sorts of shit, very nice and interesting fellow; I love his pop/ psych track 'I cant face the animals'

He's a friend of a friend. I correspond with him a bit and he's really funny and insightful. A true one off musically as well - have a listen to his twisted cabaret type stuff if you get the chance.

He really doesn't like the arrangement on 'Animals..' by the way. It was supposed to more baroque sounding and he was dismayed when he heard how it turned out. Eventually he re-recorded it as he meant it to sound and he gave our mutual pal a copy of the album with it on, but a year later the bastard still hasn't given it to me.

 

I'm with you on the 60s version however.

[KevH]

Pete would be good to know how many copies on Giant you have had, what condition they were in and how much you put on them for set sale 

 

Cheers

 

Richard

 

Didnt JM sell one earlier this year,or did one go through Ebay.?

[Dave Pinch]

tony hestor on giant has been thru ebay at least 10 times..not a lot in the grand scheme mind and its the 2nd copy john has auctioned this year,,a vg copy went for £75  6 months ago....pretty common on karate tho still goes for £150 in nice shape on that label.....still need to upgrade to a giant copy myself tho.....incidentally records that are thought to be not that rare..how many times has spider turner on goodtime been on ebay and how often do see that today

[Dave Pinch]

has nobody mentioned that chandlers......fairly rare but i thought you couldnt give it away

[Cobbles]

I thought the jimmy preacher ellie was the shocker !!!..... had it on movin and jewel in the past ..... fair play to Manny for getting the prices he gets !

 

how much does it fetch on jewel nowadays surely no more than £100 ????

[pow wow mik]

I thought the jimmy preacher ellie was the shocker !!!..... had it on movin and jewel in the past ..... fair play to Manny for getting the prices he gets !

 

how much does it fetch on jewel nowadays surely no more than £100 ????

Insane. I thought the fetish for first labels was limited to northern classics, not fairly common r&b records. (Good record though)

[Frankie Crocker]

 

 

I think £500 (and the £574 in JM's auction this time) is below the true market value for a M- copy of Tony Hestor - and to be honest, selling one set sale for £300 would worry me. Reason why is that I am firmly of the view that it's possible to talk down the price of specific rare records and to depress the rare soul market generally. People who don't have the time or inclination to track details of price, condition, labels, formats etc. follow what people say on here, FB and elsewhere. I think there's a real potential risk that things like under-valuing records, talking down the rarity and value of rare items, and quick discounting can all have an effect on the price of such records (e.g. those held in collections, when they eventually come to market). In fact, I think this is already happening, partly evidenced by the strikingly fast discounting of sale items here on SS 

Absolutely Richard. It's one thing to express surprise at common records such as Nate Evans and Sonny Herman popping up and reaping in-demander type prices, but to devalue seriously hard to find sounds is not in collectors' interests. Quick discounting of three figure records by wannabe DJ's who must have the next Nolan Porter whatever is seriously damaging the value of prices, more so than the availability of Price Guides to US dealers who continue to augment the supply of scarce records. The price fetched by the Chandlers should go some way towards establishing its scarcity and current market value rather than have collectors/dealers announce how many they've had and how cheap they were in the pre-internet era.

[Frankie Crocker]

has nobody mentioned that chandlers......fairly rare but i thought you couldnt give it away

Dead rare but suffers due to Second Issue Syndrome. This illustrates how buyers' confidence tumbles when dubious releases enter the picture. The more second issues there are plus boots, legal re-issues etc, the more damaging it is to the credibility of the rare record market. Sure, press up unreleased tracks in a bona-fide manner paying royalties where due, but make a stand against the proliferation of third-issue, lookalike, turn-a-fast-buck vinyl best committed to CD or left in the clouds for the next generation of dabblers.

[Pete S]

Absolutely Richard. It's one thing to express surprise at common records such as Nate Evans and Sonny Herman popping up and reaping in-demander type prices, but to devalue seriously hard to find sounds is not in collectors' interests. Quick discounting of three figure records by wannabe DJ's who must have the next Nolan Porter whatever is seriously damaging the value of prices, more so than the availability of Price Guides to US dealers who continue to augment the supply of scarce records. The price fetched by the Chandlers should go some way towards establishing its scarcity and current market value rather than have collectors/dealers announce how many they've had and how cheap they were in the pre-internet era.

 

Discounting of three figure records often happens because some of us have to make a living and do not have the stock, like some people, to be able to leave said record on the shelf and bringing it out again in a years time.  Here and now, money or no money, I'll take the money please and if that means selling a £100 record for £75 - it's got f*ck all to do with anyone else and people should celebrate getting a bargain, not moan because it might be "devaluing" their precious collection.  I mean really.  Are peoples mindsets really controlled by a man writing down prices in a "guide"?