Jobete/motown Acetates

[thomas96]

Anyone who has any of these, can you please post what you have. I'd like to see a list of how many there are as a collective here, that have survived. I've got a fair amount that I'll post once I can look through them. Please post the titles/artists/whatever other info. I think it'll be really neat to see all that have survived, that soul-source users own. Thanks.

 

Thomas

[Staceys Dad]

looking forward to this....hope people post them up....

[Andy Rix]

[Pete S]

Sorry don't have any now but can tell you about a few I had

 

Liz Lands - Midnight Johnny (diff mix)

Hattie Littles - Love trouble heartaches and misery (diff mix)

Carolyn Crawford - I'll come running (diff mix)

 

they all looked the same as Andy's discs above

 

probably more, will have a think

 

Phil Dick had stacks of these I think

[thomas96]

- Marvin Gaye - Love Starved Heart jobete 7 in.

 

- Double Sided Band track 7 in. Come On And See Me b/w Misery Makes Its Home In My Heart

 

- Brenda Holloway - I Prayed For A Boy Like You 10 in.

 

- Marvin Gaye - No Good Without You 7 in. jobete

 

I've got a lot more I'll continue to post as I find them.. Everyone please post if you have any, will make this a lot better.

[Lenny Harkins]

[Guest Dale]

Here's my contribution....

 

 

[boba]

I sold this Eddie Holland in 2009

 

Edited May 21, 2014 by boba

[Marc Forrest]

sold a few motown/jobete acetates last year and start of this would have to think which titles though. think you bought about two or three thomas ? sold a eddie holland daydreamer end of last year too (four track 10 inch)  still got a few left.

[thomas96]

sold a few motown/jobete acetates last year and start of this would have to think which titles though. think you bought about two or three thomas ? sold a eddie holland daydreamer end of last year too (four track 10 inch)  still got a few left.

 

Yes, that Marvin I listed up there came from you and also a 10 in. unknown group, "One In A Million."

[boba]

I bet Andy Rix could figure out the unknown group

[Robbk]

Don't Forget The Motor City lists the artists as "unknown".  The songwriters are also unlisted, and so was the recording date.  Jobete Music "proof of ownership" acetates usually listed the writers AND recording date.  If we could see who the songwriters were, and if there was a recording date on it, AND listen to the recording(s), perhaps we could make an educated guess as to the group was, based on a combination of making an educated guess as to the producer (from the songwriters) and comparing the voices of the group to groups produced by those producers.

 

Can we get someone to post an MP3 of that song?  Can we get a label scan, as well?

[thomas96]

Don't Forget The Motor City lists the artists as "unknown". The songwriters are also unlisted, and so was the recording date. Jobete Music "proof of ownership" acetates usually listed the writers AND recording date. If we could see who the songwriters were, and if there was a recording date on it, AND listen to the recording(s), perhaps we could make an educated guess as to the group was, based on a combination of making an educated guess as to the producer (from the songwriters) and comparing the voices of the group to groups produced by those producers.

Can we get someone to post an MP3 of that song? Can we get a label scan, as well?

I'll try to post them up tomorrow. I thought Satintones at first listen, but now I'm questoning that.

[Andy Rix]

I bet Andy Rix could figure out the unknown group

I'll take that as a real compliment  ... be good to hear the tune and then an educated guess can be made ... or a look at the archive files and tape cards might help

 

Andy

[Robbk]

I'll try to post them up tomorrow. I thought Satintones at first listen, but now I'm questioning that.

Satintones!  Joy of joys!  A pre-1962 song!!!  Maybe it's a long lost Equadors recording!!!!  I'm eagerly looking forward to hearing it!

[thomas96]

Satintones!  Joy of joys!  A pre-1962 song!!!  Maybe it's a long lost Equadors recording!!!!  I'm eagerly looking forward to hearing it!

 

 

 

I hope that should work. Was very difficult for my technologically challenged self... Sorry for the bad quality too, I had to record it on my phone.

 

[thomas96]

Nobody else has any acetates to post?

[Robbk]

It's definitely a female lead.  Probably a single artist.  From its sound, I'd guess that it was recorded in 1961, or, possibly, early 1962.  I have the idea in my mind, that I've seen on an official list, that the song was written in 1961.  But, when I looked it up on "Don't Forget The Motor City", it showed year of song written, and recording dates both as "unidentified".   I don't think any other years are possible.  

 

The singer sounds hauntingly, at times, like Mary Wells.  But at other times, not at all like her.  I'm pretty sure she is not Mary.  I don't really think that the lead singer and background singers are a group.  It must be an, as yet, unknown Motown artist.  I can't think of another female artist they had at that time in 1961, who has that same voice.

Edited May 26, 2014 by RobbK

[Robbk]

 

Thomas, do you possess the actual acetate?  If so, could you please upload a scan of its label?  Even if it doesn't have the songwriters and recording date listed, just seeing the label might give a clue to what year it was recorded.

[thomas96]

It's definitely a female lead.  Probably a single artist.  From its sound, I'd guess that it was recorded in 1961, or, possibly, early 1962.  I have the idea in my mind, that I've seen on an official list, that the song was written in 1961.  But, when I looked it up on "Don't Forget The Motor City", it showed year of song written, and recording dates both as "unidentified".   I don't think any other years are possible.  

 

The singer sounds hauntingly, at times, like Mary Wells.  But at other times, not at all like her.  I'm pretty sure she is not Mary.  I don't really think that the lead singer and background singer are a group.  It must be an, as yet, unknown Motown artist.  I can't think of another female artist they had at that time in 1961, who has that same voice.

 

Are you sure it's a female? I can't tell for sure, but I think it could possibly be male. I think at the very beginning the lyric is "girl, you're one in a million" that's what makes me think it's male. I'm really not sure though, it could be "yes, you're one in a million."  

 

I have the actual acetate, i'll try to post a scan at some point. It's a New York address disc, just with the title One In A Million, and "Your Best Bet Is Jobete" and address on the top.

[Robbk]

Are you sure it's a female? I can't tell for sure, but I think it could possibly be male. I think at the very beginning the lyric is "girl, you're one in a million" that's what makes me think it's male. I'm really not sure though, it could be "yes, you're one in a million."  

 

I have the actual acetate, I'll try to post a scan at some point. It's a New York address disc, just with the title One In A Million, and "Your Best Bet Is Jobete" and address on the top.

The New York address tells me it's a product of New York's Jobete Music office, which means that it must have been recorded in 1963, and was probably sung by one of their artists as a demo.  It DEFINITELY isn't Tamala Lewis or Norma Jenkins.  The only other female artist that I can think of that they had singing demos was Carol Moore.  I'll have to listen to Moore's recordings to see if her voice was the same.  But, I don't think she had as full or as deep a voice as this singer.  IF it is, indeed a male lead singer singing in falsetto, I can't imagine it being The Parliaments or Roy Handy or The Serenaders, or Timothy Wilson or Sidney Barnes.  The only one I can think of who sang falsetto was Sammy Turner.  But. this singer's voice sounds nothing like Sammy's.

[Steve Ss]

Nobody else has any acetates to post?

yeah...I have a couple.

Will post pics later today

regards

[Des Crombie]

I have this Jobete in my collection. Don't really know anything about it. Single sided, uptempo early R&B male vocal. Apparently unreleased?

Edited May 25, 2014 by Des Crombie

[Robbk]

I have this Jobete in my collection. Don't really know anything about it. Single sided, uptempo early R&B male vocal. Apparently unreleased?

What's the title?  I can't read pop-ups.

[Chalky]

I have this Jobete in my collection. Don't really know anything about it. Single sided, uptempo early R&B male vocal. Apparently unreleased?

 

Marv Johnson?

https://www.dftmc.info/titles/tl-02.htm

[Ficklefingers]

'Let Yourself Go' is the title Robb 

Edited May 25, 2014 by FickleFingers

[Robbk]

Does it sound like Marv Johnson on the acetate?  It would be nice if it was someone else singing on a demo for Marv.

 

Can you upload an MP3 of it?

Edited May 25, 2014 by RobbK

[Steve Ss]

yeah...I have a couple.

Will post pics later today

regards

there you go............almost later today............

 

Only 1 with artist on.

Last pic: Gino Parks...has another label underneath with same track and reference.

this is in bad shape.

 

No artist on others.

 

There's no "Suspicion" hiding in these.

 

"Goodnight Manhatten" would have gone to the garage if it was not a Jobete acetate....

 

2 copies of the Fine as Wine.

I think they are same cut.

 

I think the 343 is a different take to the Junior Walker LP.

 

Uploading sound files may take me a little while longer (cough...ahem)

 

Best regards

Steve

[Des Crombie]

Marv Johnson?

https://www.dftmc.info/titles/tl-02.htm

 

Spot on Chalky, Marv Johnson it is. Goes to show don't believe "unreleased" written on a record sleeve. So it was released on United Artists. Although this acetate sounds like a slightly different take, difficult to tell, but my ears the backing singers less upfront. Was given this acetate many years back with a few others as part of a swap, mostly sat in a box gathering dust since. Never really looked into it until today when I thought I'd put it up. Anyway thanks for shedding light on this. 

Edited May 25, 2014 by Des Crombie

[Robbk]

"Let Yourself Go" was recorded in The Snakepit.  United Artists didn't start recording Marv in New York until mid 1963.

[Marc Forrest]

Are you sure it's a female? I can't tell for sure, but I think it could possibly be male. I think at the very beginning the lyric is "girl, you're one in a million" that's what makes me think it's male. I'm really not sure though, it could be "yes, you're one in a million."  

 

I have the actual acetate, i'll try to post a scan at some point. It's a New York address disc, just with the title One In A Million, and "Your Best Bet Is Jobete" and address on the top.

 

Its definitely a male lead. The guy I had it off thought it was the serenaders. I was/ am not sure..in fact they dont sound like them at all. thast why I just sold it as unknown group.

[Robbk]

Its definitely a male lead. The guy I had it off thought it was the Serenaders. I was/ am not sure..in fact they don't sound like them at all. that's why I just sold it as unknown group.

Well, it was generated in Jobete Music's New York office (and probably recorded in 1963 (way too early sounding for 1964).  So, The Serenaders is a reasonable guess.  But they don't sound, at all, like The Serenaders.  And the lead singer doesn't sound like George Kerr, Sidney Barnes or Timothy Wilson.  It could possibly be one of the other 2 members.  He doesn't sound AT ALL like Roy Handy.  Clearly, they are NOT The Parliaments.  I'm guessing they are a group working with Gene Redd, Jr.  Might they be The Prophets? 

[Robbk]

Wouldn't it be ironic if they were The Millionaires (a NY group that was singing even back in 1963)?  The blue font means that I am not serious here.

[thomas96]

Here's some scans..

 

 

Edited May 26, 2014 by thomas96

[Guest keithhughes]

Despite the printed label, this plays the 45 version of "Angel".

[thomas96]

Despite the printed label, this plays the 45 version of "Angel".

Was Bell Sound in NY?

Edit: Wow I'm either an idiot or just very tired it says right on the label..

Edited May 28, 2014 by thomas96

[Robbk]

Yes

 

Was Bell Sound in NY?

Edit: Wow I'm either an idiot or just very tired it says right on the label..

Yes.  Bell Sound was located in New York City.

[Guest keithhughes]

I know of 6 Motown/Bell acetates, all dated between Feb-May 61.

 

Jimmy Ruffin - Don't Feel Sorry For Me b/w Mary Wells - I Don't Want To Take A Chance

Satintones - Angel

Barrett Strong - Sugar Daddy

Gino Parks -That's No Lie

Jimmy Ruffin - Don't Feel Sorry For Me (different EQ) b/w Heart

Miracles - Ain't It Baby [version with strings]

 

I think that very shortly after this time, Motown acquired their own cutting machine and rarely used outside studios to cut acetates thereafter. The earliest Motown-cut JD 10" acetate I know of (JD-007) contains a sequence of tracks from tapes 2S006/007, and probably dates from around July 1961, when Robert Bateman and Brian Holland started assembling the 2S series from all the two-track tapes going back to the start of HItsville..There must have been a plan to cut the entire tape library onto these 10" metal discs, though not many of them survive now. The practice continued right up to the end of the three-track era, late 1964/early 1965, the highest I know of being JD-347. George Fowler seems to have been responsible for producing these discs, his name is on many of the disc labels.

 

During 1965, a number of 7" acetates were cut containing single tracks from the JD 10" series. "Fine As Wine" (actually "Gotta Have Your Lovin'" by Hattie Littles) pictured above is one such.

[Steve Ss]

During 1965, a number of 7" acetates were cut containing single tracks from the JD 10" series. "Fine As Wine" (actually "Gotta Have Your Lovin'" by Hattie Littles) pictured above is one such.

Never let it be said I take my time in responding to online forums........

 

Just to follow up on the point you made, can you confirm the "fine as Wine' is actually Hattie Littles?

This is unreleased still?

Why multiple copies?

I think there were 3 of these originally. I still have 2.

 

Were these cut as archive back-ups rather than potential releases?

 

Also any ideas on the "singer" of "Goodnight Manhatten"

 

Best regards

Steve

[Mal C]

Boba in there... nice to read a post from him again...

[thomas96]

[thomas96]

Old thread bump but curious if anyone now seeing this has any to add here?

[Nick Soule]

Here's what I have in no real order:

Bell Sound acetate:

"Van Dellas" - I'll Have To Let Him Go

"Satin Tones" - I Know How It Feels / My Kind Of Love

Contours - The Real Reason / Bewildered

 

Hitsville Sound Studios:

The Supremes - Surfer Boy

 

Jobete:

Eugene Remus - You'll Never Miss A Good Thing (alt take/lyrics)

Herman Griffin - You Never Met A Guy

Contours - I Don't Know How Right It Is

Gino Parks - Lonesome Days, Lonesome Nights

George Fowler - I Always Wind Up Hurting Myself

The Majestics/Monitors - Hello Love

Kim Weston - Do Like I Do

Singin' Sammy Ward - Before It's Over

Kim Weston & Mickey Stevenson - Baby, Say Yes

Temptations - What's So Good About Goodbye

Liz Lands - Don't Wanna Lose What I Got

Popcorn Wylie - Blame My Heart

Marvelettes - Silly Boy

Miracles - The Day You Take One

Eddie Holland - It's Not Too Late (alt. take)

Unknown - You Tore My Tower Down (asked Sidney Barnes and George Kerr about this one, and they couldn't remember the artist's name)

Connie Van Dyke - It Hurts Me Too

Monitors - Guilty

Marvin Gaye - Talk About A Good Feeling

Unknown - Take It Slow

Velvelettes - That's A Funny Way

 

Dub # ####:

Satintones - My Beloved (alt. take)

Marvelettes - Somebody Brought It (incomplete vocal demo)

Little Stevie Wonder - Graystone appearance radio ad

 

Jobete NY: 

Unknown - Say I'm The One

Edited November 28, 2023 by Nick Soule

[Denbo]

On 27/11/2023 at 22:07, thomas96 said:

Old thread bump but curious if anyone now seeing this has any to add here?

Yes, here's one more;

Hitsville Sound Studios:
Eddie Holland - Love Is What You Make It
(JD-037-04)
(What does this reference refer to? And JD = Jobete Demo perhaps?

Has anybody summarised / compiled a full list of these acetates yet? I'd like to see it if they have.

[thomas96]

21 hours ago, Denbo said:

Yes, here's one more;

Hitsville Sound Studios:
Eddie Holland - Love Is What You Make It
(JD-037-04)
(What does this reference refer to? And JD = Jobete Demo perhaps?

Has anybody summarised / compiled a full list of these acetates yet? I'd like to see it if they have.

Awesome acetate

 

dftmc.info has nearly every motown recording listed, released and unreleased, and typically has info on known acetates. That said, a couple of the acetates I have are not listed on that website so I don't think it's 100% perfect nor will it likely ever be considering how scattered the acetates are...

[Robbk]

On 01/12/2023 at 06:55, thomas96 said:

(1)Awesome acetate ("Love Is What You Make It")

 

dftmc.info has nearly every Motown recording listed, released and unreleased, and typically has info on known acetates. That said, a couple of the acetates I have are not listed on that website so I don't think it's 100% perfect (2) nor will it likely ever be considering how scattered the acetates are...

(1) dftmc.info does NOT have "Love is What You Make It", or "Last Night I had a Vision", which, together, make up half of the 4 Eddie Holland songs I remember that were on a 10-inch recording studio acetate, from late 1964 (if I remember correctly), which was a Motown in-house demo, rather than Jobete Music Co. "Proof Of Ownership" acetate, pictured above (which Tom DePierro and I also had found in Motown's Vault (clearly made by Mike Valvano for Quality Control review), which 13 years later, we considered for potential release in Motown's "From The Vaults" LP project).

(2) I'm sure that several Motown collectors in USA, who always kept to themselves, got several of them, which is why The NS community doesn't know where they landed.  Nobody knew what records I had until the first NS DJ found out about me and my collection quite a few years after Brits were coming to The US looking for rare Soul records.  There were some US collectors who were unknown by even most US collectors until they died and their collections were sold off.

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Robbk