How Do We Get Young Djs Spots St Events?

[Guest Bearsy]

Im 51 mate dont want spots thanks.i only wanted to ask how do we get young uns into ns djaying.wish i hadnt bothered.as one post sed theres 25 years left in it so why worry.some of the replies are pretentious ,childish and shocking but theres so many ns arseholes out there i should have expected it!

good playing djs young or old!

I presumed wrong again    you came accross as a teenager desperate to dj to me but then again geography was never my strongest subject 

[Guest]

Ok guys to be honest. If you run a nighter and not many younger people come as punters you must do sth wrong if you are interested in getting them into it. We have lots of younger people in switzerlandthat come and dance. Some of them are getting more and more into it and maybe get dj's. If you want younger ones then change sth. If you wanna stay with nighter like you did the last 20 years then dont expect to get the ones. Maybe you guys should think about what else you can do..... How about creating a new soul night with all your knowledge with nice looking flyers, younger good dj's, a hipper venue and so on. I bet after a few nighter you will get some good people in.

 

this is said with lots pf respect to the soul nights in the uk!

Edited April 16, 2014 by Guest

[Dave Moore]

Fair and honest, I have collected music for the majority of my life, and will continue to do so, not just soul records either. as I previously alluded to, I'm in the army, and have been for over 8 years. My career is going well and I'm currently involved in training new recruits. As a result my free time is limited, and I really don't have a great deal of time to spend DJing, although when the opportunity presents itself, then I do enjoy getting involved.

The purpose of me collecting records is simple - I buy things I love, whether it's a prince LP, a fatboy slim CD or a soul track on 45. That is the only reason I do it. (I also happen to think that vinyl just sounds better)

You opinion is perfectly valid mate, however there are that many events running every weekend, that if I applied myself, and had the time, I could probably get 8 or so guest spots a year. That would suit me fine.

As I say, good luck with Mate. If you can get spots and the promoters are happy with what you play then I don't really understand what your gripe is though. Best of luck in your career too, don't let Joe Crow drive you too daft! ;-)

Regards,

Dave

[Guest Soultown andy]

Ok guys to be honest. If you run a nighter and not many younger people come as punters you must do sth wrong if you are interested in getting them into it. We have lots of younger people in switzerlandthat come and dance. Some of them are getting more and more into it and maybe get dj's. If you want younger ones then change sth. If you wanna stay with nighter like you dis the last 20 years then dont expect to get the ones. Maybe you guys should think about what else you can do..... How about creating a new soul night with all your knowledge with nice looking flyers, younger good dj's, a hipper venue and so on. I bet after a few nighter you will get some good people in.

But that's the thing we do and always have had plenty of the younger end in,without having to be all hip as you put it.When you dj,d at grumpy weren't all the other djs a bit older than you,and im right in thinking they were quite good as well in not the exactly the hipist club in town.The quite good bit was an under statement if joan dave carl and phil are reading lol.Not having a go but just because that's your opinion it doesn't mean it applys to everywhere.

[Guest Soulsurfer]

As I say, good luck with Mate. If you can get spots and the promoters are happy with what you play then I don't really understand what your gripe is though. Best of luck in your career too, don't let Joe Crow drive you too daft! ;-)

Regards,

Dave

I don't have any gripes at all! I was merely taking on your 'let the dog see the rabbit' challenge  

[Guest Juniorsoul]

As I say, good luck with Mate. If you can get spots and the promoters are happy with what you play then I don't really understand what your gripe is though. Best of luck in your career too, don't let Joe Crow drive you too daft! ;-)

Regards,

Dave

Who's Joe Crow?

[Guest Carl Dixon]

Dave, here's my 18 and I haven't got a spot or ever dj'd apart from on Milton Keynes Hospital radio. This is for fun of course, and yes I do have these records:

 

1) I got love - Viola Wills - Bronco

2) Weddings make me cry - The Exciters - Bang

3) Girl in the candy store - The Reflections - Golden World

4) Tell me (crying over you) - Spyder Turner -White label test pressing with massive audio error on 'B' side.

5) Wear it on your face - The Dells - Cadet

6) Ain't it baby - Kenny Gamble and the Romeos - Arctic

7) You say - The Esquires - Bunky

8) I'll take the case - C L Blast - Atlantic

9) I was born to loose out - James and Bobby Purify - Bell

10) No no baby - Kurtis Scott - Sure Shot

11) I'm so lucky - The Fascinations - Mayfield

12) Peepin' and hidin' - Riff Ruffin -  Duke

13)Two at a time - The Malibus - Sure Shot

14) Find a quiet place - Melvin Davis - Wheel City re-press

15) Baby love - Reuben Bell - DeLuxe

16) Plenty of love - The Creations - Globe

17) At last - Temprees - Stax

18) Ooh! Pretty lady - Al Kent - Ric Tic

 

and for something different;

And that reminds me - Della Reese - Trip Oldie (?)

Shades down - Detroit Emeralds - Ric Tic

 

For the Philly fan;

A brand new me - Dusty Springfield - Atlantic

 

bonus track;

Baby boy - Buster Jones - Sure Shot

 

Am I hired or fired? 

 

Joking aside...there were some keen younger jocks at Prestatyn..and I never left the floor. Enjoyed their sets.

[Guest]

I think if you try it and keep it going you will get the younger ones into it. Younger djs will bring their friends, next time they come back and bring other people. Some will like it and stay. 

[Dave Moore]

I don't have any gripes at all! I was merely taking on your 'let the dog see the rabbit' challenge

My apologies I thought you were bemoaning the fact that you could get spots, maybe that an earlier post?. Either way it's all good Mate.

Regards,

Dave

[Guest Juniorsoul]

 

bonus track;

Baby boy - Buster Jones - Sure Shot

 

 

[Dave Moore]

Who's Joe Crow?

He He. It's an Army joke Mate. It's slang for a Paratrooper recruit.

Regards,

Dave

[Guest Soulsurfer]

My apologies I thought you were bemoaning the fact that you could get spots, maybe that an earlier post?. Either way it's all good Mate.

Regards,

Dave

Nah, I don't moan about not getting spots! I just quietly buy my records, and then listen to other people play theirs! 

ATB!

[Guest Juniorsoul]

He He. It's an Army joke Mate. It's slang for a Paratrooper recruit.

Regards,

Dave

wah.

[Guest Soulsurfer]

He He. It's an Army joke Mate. It's slang for a Paratrooper recruit.

Regards,

Dave

He's taking the piss mate. My brother is a crow. Baghdad/dad's bag. etc.

[Guest Soulsurfer]

wah.

[Davidbrls]

As I see the topic, what counts is the skill to see over the decks along with passion, etc. I mean, you can have all the greatest records in this world, but if you have no clue about creating a fluent mix which pushes and motivates people to dance to it, well, you're not doing a good job. NO matter how old you are, no good impression will be made both to dancers and promoters. As it comes to originals vs boots, one's totally free to choose the path that suits him best. Just be aware of what to spin in case you get booked at big events..that's it. One can make a good and involving set outta cheapies as well as biggies/rarieties..It all lies in dj's minds

[Guest Juniorsoul]

He's taking the piss mate. My brother is a crow. Baghdad/dad's bag. etc.

Sweat.

[Guest Matt Male]

Im 51 mate dont want spots thanks.i only wanted to ask how do we get young uns into ns djaying.wish i hadnt bothered.as one post sed theres 25 years left in it so why worry.some of the replies are pretentious ,childish and shocking but theres so many ns arseholes out there i should have expected it!

good playing djs young or old!

 

 

Fair enough. How do you think we should get young DJs on the scene?

[Guest]

As I see the topic, what counts is the skill to see over the decks along with passion, etc. I mean, you can have all the greatest records in this world, but if you have no clue about creating a fluent mix which pushes and motivates people to dance to it, well, you're not doing a good job. NO matter how old you are, no good impression will be made both to dancers and promoters. As it comes to originals vs boots, one's totally free to choose the path that suits him best. Just be aware of what to spin in case you get booked at big events..that's it. One can make a good and involving set outta cheapies as well as biggies/rarieties..It all lies in dj's minds

Said by a young man with great taste! Watch out for this guy people!!

[Dave Moore]

He's taking the piss mate. My brother is a crow. Baghdad/dad's bag. etc.

Then I'll make sure if he arrives at a PARA Bn that he gets his feet in the in-trays of a few mates of mine! ;-) LOL!

Regards,

Dave

[Guest Bearsy]

Ok guys to be honest. If you run a nighter and not many younger people come as punters you must do sth wrong if you are interested in getting them into it. We have lots of younger people in switzerlandthat come and dance. Some of them are getting more and more into it and maybe get dj's. If you want younger ones then change sth. If you wanna stay with nighter like you dis the last 20 years then dont expect to get the ones. Maybe you guys should think about what else you can do..... How about creating a new soul night with all your knowledge with nice looking flyers, younger good dj's, a hipper venue and so on. I bet after a few nighter you will get some good people in.

90%  of the scene don't care who is djn and on what format it's what's in the groove that counts and as long as the venue reminds them of when they was 17 it could be my nanny Dolly or my dog Max djn.  Luckily there is that 10% that could give those looking for something different a place to go and the ones I've been to and the ones I've yet to attend are either run by youngsters or regularly attended by youngsters with a good few of them djs and cracking djs too.   

The other part of the scene the youngsters have taken the mantle on of the 70s not only dressing and dancing the part but listening only to the same tunes each week so if they was to dj I can only imagine they will only play what's expected to be played and will that attract youngsters into the scene more ? I honestly don't know.   Young djs dressed for today playing not what's expected is to me more exciting and that to me I think could attract more youngsters.  

Its all about opinions of course and I'm hoping to get abroad more in the future as many friends who have ventured over there have really spoke highly as they say there is no baggage and people just dancing and enjoying themselves just like it used to be over here back in the day.  

 

me I don't care how old a dj is I just hope they can mix it up and play from their heart and enjoy themselves.   

 

The scene ain't quite dead yet and the youngsters will have their time they just need to do the graft and gain the records and knowledge and like some have already said, do a cd and ask for dj spots and be patient 

[Guest Matt Male]

As I see the topic, what counts is the skill to see over the decks along with passion, etc. 

 

One can make a good and involving set outta cheapies as well as biggies/rarieties..It all lies in dj's minds

 

 

I've snipped your post, but this is the most sensible thing said so far.

[Guest Carl Dixon]

Excellent point about fluent mix. I have been dancing to great tracks to have the bpm either halved or doubled...at the same time emptying the floor. I hear a Ric Tic, I would hope to hear another Detroit or two around the same time and similar bpm to appreciate say the slickness of Motown, but the soul of Golden World/Wingate. 

Edited April 16, 2014 by Carl Dixon

[Guest]

Also i would like to say that you older guys should support the younger ones instead of saying they play the sametunes that everybody does or are not merit!!!! This sucks!

what i do is to support the ones that come in fresh with tunes that i like or they might like which are fresh and not overplayed. Make good prices for records i sell to friends, give out cds for free to every young dancer at our nighter andso on. 

Give support to people that are interested...

[Guest Soulsurfer]

Then I'll make sure if he arrives at a PARA Bn that he gets his feet in the in-trays of a few mates of mine! ;-) LOL!

Regards,

Dave

He's not that much of a redarse. Done a bit of time now anyway. 

[NEV]

I've snipped your post, but this is the most sensible thing said so far.

Matt ,I'm even more impressed that Davide can write better than most of the British on this site ,being as he is Italian

[Dave Moore]

Also i would like to say that you older guys should support the younger ones instead of saying they play the sametunes that everybody does or are not merit!!!! This sucks!

Moses Smith on Dionn is a fantastic record Henning. Come back in 30 years though when you've heard it a million times before and book a DJ half your age who think's it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. There are lots of ways of supporting new collectors/DJs and sometimes one of those ways is to advise them to 'leave that one at home Mate'.

Regards,

Dave

[Guest Bearsy]

What about young female djs   

[Guest]

Moses Smith on Dionn is a fantastic record Henning. Come back in 30 years though when you've heard it a million times before and book a DJ half your age who think's it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. There are lots of ways of supporting new collectors/DJs and sometimes one of those ways is to advise them to 'leave that one at home Mate'.

Regards,

Dave

But dave, as a guy who lives in spain you should know how many great young dj's are out there, especially in spain, that have great taste and dont play overplayed tunes. Like albert, dani, edu, josep and so on......

[Guest]

What about young female djs   

A few great ones around mate. Emel ilter, vera gronke, veruschka, anna ...

[Guest Soulsurfer]

What about young female djs   

That is a movement I can definitely get behind. (pun intended)

[Guest Byrney]

listen kid you play whatever you got.dont be put off by pretentious know all conniseurs of soul.id rather listen to a clsssic oldie than some of the shite thats being " discovered"

if ypu like ir and youve got it and its on a £2 boot , play it

when your old enough maybe you'll be stupid enough to pay £ 1300 quid for a " original" yawwwn

I'd imagine you would rather listen to a classic oldie, but some of us didn't take 30 odd years off like most on the nostalgia scene so forgive us if we don't want to hear Shirley Ellis one Edwin's Time again eh...

On the young firm, one of the only events I can arsed going to now days is down that there south at Inner City Soul, all young fellas and not a tired old oldie all night.

[Guest Bearsy]

A few great ones around mate. Emel ilter, vera gronke, veruschka, anna ...

 

Well tell them to get over here then cos I'm tired of looking up at old men that dance like me dad behind the decks 

 

i suppose i could could always try to get abroad if the misses lets me 

[Len]

 

Wherever.

 

You need the records first.

 

 

...and a personality maybe? Not aimed at you Simsy as I gather from your postings you would agree - A C.D of tunes doesn't mean you can D.J / Choose the right moment to put an appropriate tune on.

 

A D.J should be asked on merit alone - If not, it all gets a bit desperate.

 

IMHO of course!

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

P.s - No matter what age.

Edited April 16, 2014 by LEN

[Put herald]

yawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn

[Dave Moore]

But dave, as a guy who lives in spain you should know how many great young dj's are out there, especially in spain, that have great taste and dont play overplayed tunes. Like albert, dani, edu, josep and so on......

I certainly do. And I shall be enjoying their company again, (and record selections), at the beginning of May at the Someday Allnighter. I've done quite a few of the European gigs in Spain, France, Germany etc and I know exactly what the differences are between that scene and the UK one. Some events are comparable and many aren't. It's different dynamic, a different audience and different outlook. On the whole the two scenes have only the music in common, not the peripherals that come with a 40 year old UK music scene.

In danger of meandering off topic though of we go down that discussion.

Regards,

Dave

[Cover-up]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned the bleedingly obvious but... why would a young soul DJ WANT to be accepted into the northern soul scene? Most young people want to go out, get hammered, have a dance and, hopefully, get a lumber. If I was a youngster starting out DJing, I'd start my own night at the students union or whatever without getting bogged down in the whole OVO "under-played newie" "re-activated oldie" "trying to impress a bunch of 50+ year old balding grumpy old men" b*llocks. If they want to do a whole set off a memory stick, then so be it, if they enjoy the music.

 

I really DON'T want this to end up descending into yet ANOTHER o.v.o. thread, but to teenagers or youngsters, I'm sure the whole obsession with "ownership" must be very strange - I don't think they get it at all, or understand what's better about spending £1000 on a bit of plastic, if there's another similar bit of plastic available for a fiver. Or free.. If young DJs want to "play by the rules" and can do the business, then I'm sure they'd be welcomed into the soul scene with open arms. If they want to run their own nights, they can do whatever the hell they want...

Edited February 7, 2015 by pikeys dog
swearing - workplace filters

[pow wow mik]

ok man. wanna come over and spin some at the next swiss soul weekender on the alldayer?

If I was 20 could I come!?

henning, no one is saying that there's no good young djs, or that it isnt possible. The guy said that he'd booked a fair few, and most of them were underwhelming, so he's speaking from experience and evidently, the experience of someone who really wanted to give young djs an opportunity.

some sort of positive discrimination isnt going to make anything any better is it? And getting a young dj on playing boots at the expense of a older dj with more interesting records is just a bizarre scenario.

it may be different in europe but over here youre playing to knowledgable people. I started collecting at 16, djing at 18, but I didnt get behind the decks at a specialist soul/r&b club until my late 20s, and then only cos I was playing things no one else was. That should be the standard surely? Not some equal opportunities shit.

I'm not involved these days as much as I'd like to be, but I cant see any way you could put an exciting soul or r&b set together these days without a lot of money. I couldnt do it if I had to start now, even with 20 years knowledge. .

Edited April 16, 2014 by pow wow mik

[Len]

You stick with soul source, don't be put off from posting, your opinion does count, & it's great to have a mixture of ages & sexes posting on here

Regards

Ali

 

.....Still watching you.........

 

 

 

Len  

[Guest]

If I was 20 could I come!?

henning, no one is saying that there's no good young djs, or that it isnt possible. The guy said that he'd booked a fair few, and most of them were underwhelming, so he's speaking from experience and evidently, the experience of someone who really wanted to give young djs an opportunity.

some sort of positive discrimination isnt going to make anything any better is it? And getting a young dj on playing boots at the expense of a older dj with more interesting records is just a bizarre scenario.

it may be different in europe but over here youre playing to knowledgable people. I started collecting at 16, djing at 18, but I didnt get behind the decks at a specialist soul/r&b club until my late 20s, and then only cos I was playing things no one else was. That should be the standard surely? Not some equal opportunities shit.

I'm not involved these days as much as I'd like to be, but I cant see any way you could put togeter an exciting soul or r&b set together these days without a lot of money. I couldnt do it if I had to start now, even with 20 years knowledge. .

Might be, but like i said. Support the young ones. If you have good connections to people then move them on to passionate young people. Soulmusic is for sharing and not an ego thing imo. Share your experiences with the younger ones.

as i said, i try to do that. I'm not that young anymore and happily made. 1 or 2 connections, but i dont use them for myself only. When i get a nice record offered i dont want or cant pay or that might fit to someone i know, especially the younger ones, i move it on. Just to name a few records in the past: salt n pepper, willie tee - having so much fun, pervis lee and so on....

 

share your passion and music - thats the way it goes!

[Mak]

Seems to be younger ones coming through to me.I keep seeing them on dj rotas.

Your wrong Kev , it's you getting older 

[NEV]

I think the big problem is that some of the older members really do sound patronising and actually believe that young DJ's are so far behind, with boxes of mediocre originals and only reissues of the big rare items .

I wish I had half the amount of top quality 45's some of the younger generation have in their playbox today .

People like Henning ,Callum ,James Pogson ,Alfie and Davide to name only a fraction ,are not just buying ,owning and playing great records ,but are very passionate and knowledgeable individuals who can give most old DJ's the run around behind a set of decks .

There are a far too many old DJ's on today's scene ,who are buying up common records just so they can be a Dj at their local event ,infact the whole problem of too many venues is down to the mentality of the same people .

By which i mean ,starting a new event that is the exact same night as the one up the road ,on the same night .

Another topic done to death i now ,so i'll stop there .

The fact, is the young guys mentioned are well accomplished and get booked on merit and know how to string a set together .

[Mak]

I'd imagine you would rather listen to a classic oldie, but some of us didn't take 30 odd years off like most on the nostalgia scene so forgive us if we don't want to hear Shirley Ellis one Edwin's Time again eh...

On the young firm, one of the only events I can arsed going to now days is down that there south at Inner City Soul, all young fellas and not a tired old oldie all night.

A-BLOODY-MEN

[Billywhizz]

i don't qualify my opinion to other promoters. just interested in what other people play at their venues. especially when they think that most of the youngsters are not ready.

i can tell u a few that i bet what play great sets even on your nighter.

 

no, i didn't dj for joe dutton. don't know him. in the uk i only dj'd at grumpy soul and the manchester european weekender...

really enjoy your set at grumpy, end of last year, billy

[Alison H]

.....Still watching you.........

Len

I can get you arrested for that Edited April 16, 2014 by Alison H

[Guest Bearsy]

Might be, but like i said. Support the young ones. If you have good connections to people then move them on to passionate young people. Soulmusic is for sharing and not an ego thing imo. Share your experiences with the younger ones.

as i said, i try to do that. I'm not that young anymore and happily made. 1 or 2 connections, but i dont use them for myself only. When i get a nice record offered i dont want or cant pay or that might fit to someone i know, especially the younger ones, i move it on. Just to name a few records in the past: salt n pepper, willie tee - having so much fun, pervis lee and so on....

 

share your passion and music - thats the way it goes!

I'm still young so next time you get them type of affordable tunes you just mentioned make sure you send them to me as money is tight and I'm desperate to dj 

[pow wow mik]

Might be, but like i said. Support the young ones. If you have good connections to people then move them on to passionate young people. Soulmusic is for sharing and not an ego thing imo. Share your experiences with the younger ones.

as i said, i try to do that. I'm not that young anymore and happily made. 1 or 2 connections, but i dont use them for myself only. When i get a nice record offered i dont want or cant pay or that might fit to someone i know, especially the younger ones, i move it on. Just to name a few records in the past: salt n pepper, willie tee - having so much fun, pervis lee and so on....

share your passion and music - thats the way it goes!

Support the young ones how? By letting them dj? If it's not an ego thing, why do they all want to dj?

fuck that. Support whoever's doing it well at the time, who cares if they're 18 or 80?

I remember having callum on when he was pretty young, but not as some patronising favour to him, as a favour to me, he was one of the best djs i'd heard. Unfortunately, the nature of djing this stuff now, the fact that it requires the purchase of expensive antique records, makes it very hard to make an impact.

There's great cheap records of course, but playing the best of these, are you ever going to compete with someone who's playing the latest hot in demand biggie?

e

Edited April 16, 2014 by pow wow mik

[Guest Bearsy]

I think the big problem is that some of the older members really do sound patronising and actually believe that young DJ's are so far behind, with boxes of mediocre originals and only reissues of the big rare items .

I wish I had half the amount of top quality 45's some of the younger generation have in their playbox today .

People like Henning ,Callum ,James Pogson ,Alfie and Davide to name only a fraction ,are not just buying ,owning and playing great records ,but are very passionate and knowledgeable individuals who can give most old DJ's the run around behind a set of decks .

There are a far too many old DJ's on today's scene ,who are buying up common records just so they can be a Dj at their local event ,infact the whole problem of too many venues is down to the mentality of the same people .

By which i mean ,starting a new event that is the exact same night as the one up the road ,on the same night .

Another topic done to death i now ,so i'll stop there .

The fact, is the young guys mentioned are well accomplished and get booked on merit and know how to string a set together .

But they are few and far between sadly Nev but if the even younger soulies take a look at them few as an example you named and see what can be possible at a young age then the future is bright in soul world 

[Kev Cane]

Support the young ones how? By letting them dj? If it's not an ego think, why do they all want to dj?

f*ck that. Support whoever's doing it well at the time, who cares if they're 18 or 80?

I remember having callum on when he was pretty young, but not as some patronising favour to him, as a favour to me, he was one of the best djs i'd heard. Unfortunately, the nature of djing this stuff now, the fact that it requires the purchase of expensive antique records, makes it very hard to make an impact.

There's great cheap records of course, but playing the best of these, are you ever going to compete with someone who's playing the latest hot in demand biggie?

e

 

Support the young ones how? By letting them dj? If it's not an ego think, why do they all want to dj?

f*ck that. Support whoever's doing it well at the time, who cares if they're 18 or 80?

I remember having callum on when he was pretty young, but not as some patronising favour to him, as a favour to me, he was one of the best djs i'd heard. Unfortunately, the nature of djing this stuff now, the fact that it requires the purchase of expensive antique records, makes it very hard to make an impact.

There's great cheap records of course, but playing the best of these, are you ever going to compete with someone who's playing the latest hot in demand biggie?

e

 

Support the young ones how? By letting them dj? If it's not an ego think, why do they all want to dj?

f*ck that. Support whoever's doing it well at the time, who cares if they're 18 or 80?

I remember having callum on when he was pretty young, but not as some patronising favour to him, as a favour to me, he was one of the best djs i'd heard. Unfortunately, the nature of djing this stuff now, the fact that it requires the purchase of expensive antique records, makes it very hard to make an impact.

There's great cheap records of course, but playing the best of these, are you ever going to compete with someone who's playing the latest hot in demand biggie?

e

Yes, unfortunately though, the sheep and lapdogs far outnumber the thinking and minds of their own soul fans

Edited April 16, 2014 by kev cane

[grant]

It's not the music, it's the trousers

not forgettin the penny rounds and bowling shirts