One Show BBC

[Winnie :-)]

It never was, never has been, and never will be a 'Movement'. That's what I have when i go for a s*it in a morning !

I'll rephrase, it was a scene that attracted youth because it was populated by youth, now go and have another sh*t you old fart 

[Guest Trevski]

The baggy look lasted for 4/6yrs max. As a previous post says, by 78/79,they had all but gone,the mod revival,which brought a lot of new blood to the scene saw to that,and people distancing themselves from the tv documentary. ...

Edited March 27, 2014 by Trevski

[Ian Seaman]

well the cubs were cute lol

[Pete S]

The baggy look lasted for 4/6yrs max. As a previous post says, by 78/79,they had all but gone,the mod revival,which brought a lot of new blood to the scene saw to that,and people distancing themselves from the tv documentary. ...

 

Trev you can't change history mate, it is a fact that in 1978 the majority were in baggies and it wasn't until half way through 79, with the Mod revival, that they were faded out, but I remember in August 78 turning up in a pair of grey Levis straight leg chords, with trainers, and I was looked at like I had been sent down from Mars.

[Northernjordan]

The young kids wearing 70’s clothes seems bizarre to me - After the 70’s lot, the 80’s lot developed into something different, and that ‘change’ kind of carried on right through the 90’s, until early 2000 (when it all went wrong) Maybe these people only have the ‘where it all went wrong’ decade to be their influence (Shame, but makes sense)

 

It’s just an observation, and they are probably nice people, but if there was a load of young people taking it all forward, I would have loved them to be really sharply dressed, maybe a bit 80’s influenced, but most importantly something of their own, doing it their way - What happened to the Ivy League College Boy look?

 

No offence intended to these younguns, and I welcome them onto the Scene - I just think they are missing out on the ‘magic’ that they could get from doing it their way. Maybe in time, they will.

 

All the best,

 

Len

 

P.s - 'Positive Alison' - I'm watching you........    

 

 

Why has the term "Young Guns" bcome the term to call the young baggy trousers brigade? We are a scooter club for under 25s and the mainstay of the club are normal lads and lasses, who are probably more caving of this time warp mentality than most on here... We hate it

[spot]

I've got a list of quips & japes here as long as my arm but I just can't be arsed btw the McDonald McMecca Burger was the best. Think we're annoyed cos they haven't had the hardship of setting off a day before via Train, Bus or stolen/borrowed vehicle of some description to reach a venue & then think of getting home someway, somehow, so don't really live it as we did, plus the fact we hate getting old.

I've just sat through it with sharp intakes of breath & peeks through interlaced fingers and all I can say is TF for Tommy Hunt, some of you should know better, WTF was Bez doing dancing (Happy Mondays),why didn't Sammy fall over and make a proper tit of himself and how can you be a World Champion when only one Country enters, only USA can do that.    

 

Take care, Be safe & remember, " Oh Lord what's  happened to your people",

                                                                                                                                Spot.

 

 

p.s. Is there anything Matt Baker dislikes? Watch him on any show, "I love it", "I've wanted to do that all my life".

Edited March 27, 2014 by spot

[Paulb]

The thing that worries me about the youngsters is, they aren't getting into it for the same reasons that we did.

Soulboy the new Teddy Boy?

Some do, some don't. Me and my mates all did it the right way, but equally, I remember seeing a few mother and son duo's that did it the wrong way.

I have no issues with younger people enjoying the big ballroom all nighters that play the big 60's oldies, as these songs are great and It's what got me into the music and collecting. But over time you move on musically, that's the important thing. I bet there are young kids going through that transition now, and also those that will never move on from such events. As long as they dig the music then that's all that matters. But for the life of me, I really can't see why any young person would embrace the bags and vest look. It blows my mind even trying to work that one out.

Also worth remembering that quite a lot of people are on the soul scene for reasons other than soul music. Lot's of people that feel they can fit in on such a scene, but aren't really sure what it's all about. Also lots of drug addicts that can continue the party lifestyle.

Edited March 27, 2014 by PaulB

[Len]

Why has the term "Young Guns" bcome the term to call the young baggy trousers brigade? We are a scooter club for under 25s and the mainstay of the club are normal lads and lasses, who are probably more caving of this time warp mentality than most on here... We hate it

 

Hello mate,

 

I think you miss-read - There's only one 'g' in my word 'Youngun's', it's just slang for 'Young ones', an affectionate description at that.

 

As Alison rightly pointed out, no one should get personal. I don't like the term 'Baggy Trouser Brigade' (Or 'Handbaggers') I have an opinion (as you have read) but an observational one, not a p*ss taking one.

 

All the best,

 

Len  

Edited March 27, 2014 by LEN

[Len]

p.s. Is there anything Matt Baker dislikes? Watch him on any show, "I love it", "I've wanted to do that all my life".

 

Hi Spot  

 

He does it so well though! Nearly as well as Lorraine Kelly in the mornings......."That's really goooooooood".......

 

....Not that I watch such stuff - It's just on in the background as I'm reading my 'John Manship Annual'........honest.........  

 

Len  

Edited March 27, 2014 by LEN

[KevH]

Hello mate,

 

I think you miss-read - There's only one 'g' in my word 'Youngun's', it's just slang for 'Young ones', an affectionate description at that.

 

As Alison rightly pointed out, no one should get personal. I don't like the term 'Baggy Trouser Brigade' (Or 'Handbaggers') I have an opinion (as you have read) but an observational one, not a p*ss taking one.

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

Getting worried about you Len.That's a sensible post.Pull yourself together.

[Vynilhound]

I initially thought that this programme would be like all the others and try to ignore it and hope it goes away, but it is too important an issue for that, its become almost the tipping point. 

 

I have no problem with younger people, new people, wearing of vintage outfits etc etc but this programme is about pure commercialisation and should be seen as so, it was there to promote a film which needs and wants to make money and again good luck to them and to Elaine and everyone who has appeared in it.

 

But its not a documentary, its not done for the good of the people who love soul music or for an old soul fans rest home fund its being done for profit. Why then should we be asked to embrace everything about it as if its the way forward? It is not, its the reason why there is no resect given by the so called "soul police" to the cheapening of something we all love and hold dear, including playing pressings & bootlegs at a venue.

 

Winnie & len both have put their opinions very well and I totally agree with what they have to say. I don't care about the fashion thing as its personal choice but I do care that by silence we are agreeing with turning the " scene" into a circus and when the youngsters & tourists have moved on to the next new thing we will be left with reduced numbers as people will have walked away.

 

 There were and I hope still are people that would share their knowledge of the music with each other and in turn pass that on to others but what is a programme like this passing on? that this is what to expect when you go to a soul music venue, well I for one would run a mile if I didn't already know what it is or should be like, so I can't see how its supposed to be keeping things alive.

 

I mean no animosity to anyone who enjoys themselves in any way but it should not be to the detriment of others enjoyment & principles. Stay away from the media its the devils work!!

 

Cheers 

 

Andy

[Amsterdam Russ]

Oxford Dictionary of English: Movement

 

2 [ often with modifier ] a group of people working together to advance their shared political, social, or artistic ideas: the labour movement.

 

Maybe others think it's a load of bowels, but I'd say that 'Northern Soul' with its "Keep the Faith" musical philosophy could definitely be considered as a movement. 

[Len]

Getting worried about you Len.That's a sensible post.Pull yourself together.

 

 

 

Good God you're right - Not an once of irony in there anywhere.......Maybe that's ironic in itself   

 

.........Must do better.........

 

 

 

Len  

[macca]

Trev you can't change history mate, it is a fact that in 1978 the majority were in baggies and it wasn't until half way through 79, with the Mod revival, that they were faded out, but I remember in August 78 turning up in a pair of grey Levis straight leg chords, with trainers, and I was looked at like I had been sent down from Mars.

 You're right that the majority were in bags still in 1978, which is when Spencers probably hit their peak in terms of business. I think the punk thing and also the jazzfunk thing helped bring about the change. I remember wearing straight leg cords and baseball boots as early as late 77 but changed to baggies when I got to the nighter in question. Wasn't brave enough! By late 78 I wore cords all night. People still gave you funny looks though. As you say the Mod thing was the final nail...

[Dave Rimmer]

Oxford Dictionary of English: Movement

 

2 [ often with modifier ] a group of people working together to advance their shared political, social, or artistic ideas: the labour movement.

 

Maybe others think it's a load of bowels, but I'd say that 'Northern Soul' with its "Keep the Faith" musical philosophy could definitely be considered as a movement. 

 

 

Fortunately Russ, I can also use the OED

 

Scene:

 

 e. slang (orig. U.S. Jazz slang and Beatniks' slang). A place where people of common interests meet or where a particular activity is carried on. Hence, more loosely, an activity or pursuit (esp. a fashionable or superior one); a situation, event, or experience; a way of life.

 

Much more of an accurate description I feel.

[TAFOO]

Who decides that these guys are world champion NS dancers? don't look owt special to me. I remember seein' Chris Gray and Jed Rudd from Preston 68, 69,70 

 

( phenomenal ) and i bet plenty of other people can remember great dancers too. These guys would have been blown away by those lads.

[Guest in town Mikey]

Can I just confirm Elaine Constantine wasnt on the show? Elaine from Newbury was, and maybe there is some confusion? I didnt watch it all, so may be wrong and I missed Elaine C.

 

 

Anyway a funny thing happened just now. I was browsing sales and spotted 2 records i'd like but can only afford one.

I texted my brother to see what he thought. Record A or Record B (Don't want to mess up any possible sales)

 

Mark replied short and succinct.

 

Record A is a bit One Show.

 

Record B it is then

Edited March 27, 2014 by in town Mikey

[Len]

 As you say the Mod thing was the final nail...

 

Didn't the Mods have a better outlook though? I am from a generation up, as you are talking about 1979. My first Soul All-Nighter was in 1985, so I wasn't there to witness what you describe.

 

What was the problem with that particular influx? I would have thought anyone coming into it in that era would have been like me (and many others) 'Wide eyed, and willing to learn'

 

All the best,

 

Len  

Edited March 27, 2014 by LEN

[Shsdave]

Thats it, im out

Any one fancy starting a line dancing allnighter 

 

Too late haven't you seen the you tube clips of Blackpool ? 

[Guest Chiefy]

I,d say these 6 pages sum up what ya call the scene nowadays better than any half hour show!

[Steve L]

 You're right that the majority were in bags still in 1978, which is when Spencers probably hit their peak in terms of business. I think the punk thing and also the jazzfunk thing helped bring about the change. I remember wearing straight leg cords and baseball boots as early as late 77 but changed to baggies when I got to the nighter in question. Wasn't brave enough! By late 78 I wore cords all night. People still gave you funny looks though. As you say the Mod thing was the final nail...

 

And for most of 79, it was late 79 and into 1980 when they noticeably started disappearing I reckon.

[KevH]

And for most of 79, it was late 79 and into 1980 when they noticeably started disappearing I reckon.

 

I should mention that we (Steve and myself),have had a pair of 40th Anniversary bags (one leg each)made for this year.We'll be wearing them at the next Burnley niter.

[Amsterdam Russ]

Fortunately Russ, I can also use the OED

 

Scene:

 

 e. slang (orig. U.S. Jazz slang and Beatniks' slang). A place where people of common interests meet or where a particular activity is carried on. Hence, more loosely, an activity or pursuit (esp. a fashionable or superior one); a situation, event, or experience; a way of life.

 

Much more of an accurate description I feel.

 

Vernacular not allowed in class! 

 

Movement/Scene = same thing in this context. One just has more letters, a sense of formality, and an extra syllable than the other. 

[macca]

Didn't the Mods have a better outlook though? I am from a generation up, as you are talking about 1979. My first Soul All-Nighter was in 1985, so I wasn't there to witness what you describe.

 

What was the problem with that particular influx? I would have thought anyone coming into it in that era would have been like me (and many others) 'Wide eyed, and willing to learn'

 

All the best,

 

Len  

Len, the nail I was referring to was in the coffin of the baggy trouser look. 

[Winsford Soul]

Just a thought. Has anyone stopped to ask the young soulies why they wear the clothes. Maybe that's how they're distancing themselves from the everyone looks the same high street look. Or again just a thought. If it was good enough and comfortable enough for us to dance in isn't that just maybe what they're doing. Steve

[Northernjordan]

Hello mate,

 

I think you miss-read - There's only one 'g' in my word 'Youngun's', it's just slang for 'Young ones', an affectionate description at that.

 

As Alison rightly pointed out, no one should get personal. I don't like the term 'Baggy Trouser Brigade' (Or 'Handbaggers') I have an opinion (as you have read) but an observational one, not a p*ss taking one.

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

Sorry, I missunderstood...  It's not our thing, thats what im trying to say... We want to look forward not back, and try and take the best of both worlds

[Shsdave]

Who decides that these guys are world champion NS dancers? don't look owt special to me. I remember seein' Chris Gray and Jed Rudd from Preston 68, 69,70 

 

( phenomenal ) and i bet plenty of other people can remember great dancers too. These guys would have been blown away by those lads.

 

World Champions ?  Only at the worlds best all niters  .

[Dave Rimmer]

Vernacular not allowed in class! 

 

Movement/Scene = same thing in this context. One just has more letters, a sense of formality, and an extra syllable than the other. 

A sense of formality....it wasn't a tea dance you know

 

I know this seems trivial, but it always was a 'scene' and never was refered to as a 'movement', so to do so now is just wrong. As was most of the programme last night.

 

I know that there were a lot of all nighter regulars on the programme, but I just got the feeling that they were being trotted out to do their party trick for the cameras....."here's spinning Sammy....go on Sammy, do a spin for us" And Sammy happily obliges.

 

(And yes, I do know him, and yes he is still a much better dancer than I could ever have hoped to be).

 

I guess it's all a matter of how you view your personal dignity. I would never appear on a show like that, because I don't want to, and it doesn't portray my weekend lifestyle as it really is, and made no attempt to. There again, some people think the things that happen on Corrie are real !

[Len]

Len, the nail I was referring to was in the coffin of the baggy trouser look. 

 

Oh, I getcha - Easily miss-read on this thread (That rhymes!)

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

P.s - I keep running out of 'likes' on this thread.

Edited March 27, 2014 by LEN

[Len]

Sorry, I missunderstood...  It's not our thing, thats what im trying to say... We want to look forward not back, and try and take the best of both worlds

 

Good on ya 'youngun' 

 

All the best,

 

Len  

Edited March 27, 2014 by LEN

[macca]

A sense of formality....it wasn't a tea dance you know

 

I know this seems trivial, but it always was a 'scene' and never was refered to as a 'movement', so to do so now is just wrong. As was most of the programme last night.

 

I know that there were a lot of all nighter regulars on the programme, but I just got the feeling that they were being trotted out to do their party trick for the cameras....."here's spinning Sammy....go on Sammy, do a spin for us" And Sammy happily obliges.

 

(And yes, I do know him, and yes he is still a much better dancer than I could ever have hoped to be).

 

I guess it's all a matter of how you view your personal dignity. I would never appear on a show like that, because I don't want to, and it doesn't portray my weekend lifestyle as it really is, and made no attempt to. There again, some people think the things that happen on Corrie are real !

Indeed. Gene Chandler spoke of the fellas on the scene treating him and his ex cold and mean. Good for GC, good for us... Movement is more political to my mind. Collective could also be applied... At least in Spain it could. We are a collective...

[Winnie :-)]

Vernacular not allowed in class!

Movement/Scene = same thing in this context. One just has more letters, a sense of formality, and an extra syllable than the other.

And one could be used when having a shti as Dave pointed out. Guess the other could be used as in causing a scene, if said movement was done in public ... :-)

[Steve Foran]

Just watched it and VINYLHOUND ( Andy) sums up my feelings generally. Plus points the Yummy Lisa Stansfield. The smiles on the dancers faces. Some good ones as well as Pete S says. Lorraine Chandler at the end.

Minus points well this Six page thread is a bit predictable. Lighten Up for petes sake it was only a TV programme. It aint gonna stop me enjoying myself and it is not gonna change my world greatly. I will keep collecting stuff I like, old, new, 70,s etc. I will DJ when asked and HOPE that the dancers enjoy my tunes.

 

Just one thing I have taped more Soul stuff off the TV, as I type Marvin and Tammy are backing The Hairy Bikers, lately than I have time to watch. Ian Dewirst and Soul Sam on Soulpower. The 77 WC programme was on at 5am the other day. Motown at the Beeb etc. Just good stuff to look at.

 

Just a view that's all.   

[gazman]

My toes curled out the bottom of my shoes.

gary

[Orotava]

Goddam awful in my view - cheap, tacky sugar-coated portrayal not to mention the ubiquitous Frank Wilson...

Edited March 27, 2014 by Orotava

[Guest gordon russell]

Who decides that these guys are world champion NS dancers? don't look owt special to me. I remember seein' Chris Gray and Jed Rudd from Preston 68, 69,70 

 

( phenomenal ) and i bet plenty of other people can remember great dancers too. These guys would have been blown away by those lads.

Who  the  flying f**k would want enter a dance competition in the first place......and to add insult to injury if you win you're a world dance champion

[Vynilhound]

Gordon Russell & Steve Foran, I've run out of likes as I peaked too early, but to these and other posts, consider yourself liked.

[Guest Trevski]

Hello mate,

I think you miss-read - There's only one 'g' in my word 'Youngun's', it's just slang for 'Young ones', an affectionate description at that.

As Alison rightly pointed out, no one should get personal. I don't like the term 'Baggy Trouser Brigade' (Or 'Handbaggers') I have an opinion (as you have read) but an observational one, not a p*ss taking one.

All the best,

Len

Except a certain clique of youngsters are labeled "Wigan's Young Guns" and have formed some sort of dance troupe to order. ...and seem to appear on brit awards One Show..in fact everything but QVC..and that will be next, flogging Wigan tat....

[Steve S 60]

It could have been a lot worse. If it had aired on Friday night Chris Evans would have been one of the presenters.

[Pete S]

Goddam awful in my view - cheap, tacky sugar-coated portrayal not to mention the ubiquitous Frank Wilson...

 

Where you been? (You've not posted for a while)

Edited March 27, 2014 by Pete S

[Jnixon]

 

 

I don't see how last night's programme benefits the film at all, I can't really see how younger kids watching will think it was cool to be honest, perhaps if it was only the 'young souls' being interviewed or dancing they may have formed an affinity, but with older folk? That's not really happened before, and can't for the life of me see why it would happen now. Old always has and always will be uncool. 

 

 

simply by its being is the answer.

 

more kids will think its cool rather than shite, tho both those group's total would be in a major minority to those who are ambivalent. 

 

as for the old bit, could see young pin up boys Pogson and Maslin being chased around London by loads of teenage birds in some amusing Benny Hill style soul sketch with a pounding beat. 

[Guest Trevski]

Trev you can't change history mate, it is a fact that in 1978 the majority were in baggies and it wasn't until half way through 79, with the Mod revival, that they were faded out, but I remember in August 78 turning up in a pair of grey Levis straight leg chords, with trainers, and I was looked at like I had been sent down from Mars.

Sorry all but my memory is of them dissappearing 77/78 time.I know that they were still seen at Wigan primarily... but I always ran with a cool crowd.....ditched by Yorkies for a more Jam/Dexys look...when Cleethorpes finished we started going back to Wigan and never wore baggies then...

[Mark Bicknell]

Is reality getting somehow confused here with fantasy? I think the movie and the real scene has somehow got all tangled up and interlocked simply by association and the subject matter of Elaine's film, it seems to me that many of the younger people now involved with the real scene were involved in the movie as dance extras etc. they were coached and trained were they not in preparation of making the movie some of these kids have so it seems through this in part become involved with the real deal add the older retro element of the scene to this and we end up with what was on the television last night, should it make any difference what someone wears? if their intentions and passion for the music is genuine then it should not be an issue, however it's where the music actually features in this retro vibe? How far down the pecking order of priorities does the music feature or is it head and shoulders the single most important thing that draws people in the first place? For me it was always about the records simply as, yes friendships, fashion, partying etc. all played their part but it was as I say about the records which drew me in because let's face no matter what style of this scene floats your boat musically nothing else even comes close does it?

 

 

[Jordirip]

 

more kids will think its cool rather than shite, tho both those group's total would be in a major minority to those who are ambivalent. 

 

 

 

But will any 'kids' watch the One Show? Would anyone of any age actually think anything could be classed as 'cool' that is featured on that show? It's not exactly known as a barometer of what's hip and happening is it.

[Gouch]

Troop;

 

I knew you would all come through, this thread has had me in stitches, oh and I did see the show with the missus, her immediate reply was "Do you really want to go to Karl's doo on Saturday" I tried to explain it wont be like that but gave up.

 

We should have guessed the BEEB would fuck it up and now we've got that film coming out, we've been here before, they will all go away eventually.

 

Gouch

[Guest BAKUNIN]

Is reality getting somehow confused here with fantasy? I think the movie and the real scene has somehow got all tangled up and interlocked simply by association and the subject matter of Elaine's film, it seems to me that many of the younger people now involved with the real scene were involved in the movie as dance extras etc. they were coached and trained were they not in preparation of making the movie some of these kids have so it seems through this in part become involved with the real deal add the older retro element of the scene to this and we end up with what was on the television last night, should it make any difference what someone wears? if their intentions and passion for the music is genuine then it should not be an issue, however it's where the music actually features in this retro vibe? How far down the pecking order of priorities does the music feature or is it head and shoulders the single most important thing that draws people in the first place? For me it was always about the records simply as, yes friendships, fashion, partying etc. all played their part but it was as I say about the records which drew me in because let's face no matter what style of this scene floats your boat musically nothing else even comes close does it?

 

As far as these type of programmes is concerned I think the actual soul music itself does not figure particularly highly...emphasis seems to be more on the visual rather than the audio...

[Guest Mrs Williams]

Thing is Mark, it's embarrassing to us, a mature audience I would think, but to some of the young ones today, they would find it cool

The irony for me, is that I left the Mod Scene in the 80's (because I was tired of wearing the uniform) to join the, what I called at the time, "Northern Soul Scene" & was over the moon that I could still hear fabulous black music & not have to wear any "uniform" but hey, times have clearly changed, I still refuse to wear a uniform, but if others want to then that's their choice

Regards

Ali

I agree with Alison in not wanting to wear a uniform.....Each to there own, but that's why I would never shop on the high street, because the clothing is all the same.

Debbie x

[Mark Bicknell]

 

 

My point was more directed as to how highly the music rates to some people young or otherwise perhaps associated with this 74' retro vibe and not really about the musical viewpoint or content of the show last night, totally agree with you that often these type of programmes  focus on the visual.

[Steve G]

On it goes....six pages of a "mass shock realisation" last night that....for the vast majority of people the northern soul scene it became a good time revivalist scene many years ago. Dancing, dressing up, memoribilia etc.

 

All that good stuff about "underground", something special / "this thing of ours", secret clubs, discovering obscure records, the mystique of the scene, drug busts etc. left port Northern Soul many years ago now.

 

As for all the "I am shocked at people in baggies /  Bay City Rollers clown wear...they are an embarrasment" etc. etc. chat. Wake up, this has been part of the scene for years, go to any of the 50+ soul nights on this Saturday and you'll see it all around you. I honestly don't know where you've all been hiding all this time.....

[Jnixon]

But will any 'kids' watch the One Show? Would anyone of any age actually think anything could be classed as 'cool' that is featured on that show? It's not exactly known as a barometer of what's hip and happening is it.

 

nobody is suggesting that kids watch the one show to get info on whats "hip and happening". 

 

kids still watch tv. they will watch the one show same as they watch corrie or whatever else. as a result some will see the film footage, as a result some will watch the film.