Just How Rare?

[Guest Juniorsoul]

This may well have been covered before? If it has, I can't find the thread, and therefore apologise!

What I want to know is; Just how rare, are the top class records?

How many copies of the Del-Larks is there?

How many Bobby Rich's?

Etc.

[Quinvy]

So many top rarities have been for sale over the last few years that I don't think anyone can be sure anymore. The internet has opened up the market place, and half of the population of the USA seem to be record dealers.

[Prophonics 2029]

500 del larks, that's all he could afford to get pressed up. Demos 8000 issues 5000 strange neighborhood's the imaginations. Hope this helps to evaluate.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Prophonics 2029

[Prophonics 2029]

Oooh!! but only 50 of these.

And that marks a shadow.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Prophonics 2029

[Gilly]

_{Rat race,Gino Washington only 5 made (plastic)}

[Guest Labeat]

  On 22/03/2014 at 17:31, Juniorsoul said:

This may well have been covered before? If it has, I can't find the thread, and therefore apologise!

What I want to know is; Just how rare, are the top class records?

How many copies of the Del-Larks is there?

How many Bobby Rich's?

Etc.

 

How long is a p .... aaw God, i hate that saying

[Kev John]

  On 22/03/2014 at 17:31, Juniorsoul said:

 

What I want to know is; Just how rare, are the top class records?

 

Hi  Junior

 

It dos'nt matter how rare a record is to me it what's in the grooves 

 

there are 1000's of top class records out there for a 5er to 30 quid imho 

 

atb Kev 

Edited March 23, 2014 by Kev John

[Dobber]

rare records are a pain in the arse,ive got some,and i worry about having so much money tied up in them,i worry about wagon loads turning up! ive also got many bottom/cheaper end records that to me are fantastic records,i find the best thing to do is just to enjoy them for what they are,because even if the market fell on its arse or boat loads turned up,the record is still the same record!

 

but to answser the question,there needs to be 2 lists...a rarest of the rare...and a expensive of the expensive!

[Guest Labeat]

  On 23/03/2014 at 11:22, dobber said:

rare records are a pain in the arse,ive got some,and i worry about having so much money tied up in them,i worry about wagon loads turning up! ive also got many bottom/cheaper end records that to me are fantastic records,i find the best thing to do is just to enjoy them for what they are,because even if the market fell on its arse or boat loads turned up,the record is still the same record!

 

but to answser the question,there needs to be 2 lists...a rarest of the rare...and a expensive of the expensive!

 

Ah but, according to some on here (i won't mention you Phil ).... you need "Big Lads"

[Guest Juniorsoul]

  On 23/03/2014 at 10:50, Kev John said:

Hi  Junior

 

It dos'nt matter how rare a record is to me it what's in the grooves 

 

there are 1000's of top class records out there for a 5er to 30 quid imho 

 

atb Kev 

 

 

I agree mate. However, I'm just curious as to how many known copies there is of these 'holy grails'.

[stokesoulboy]

The answer is simple - not enough !!

[Frankie Crocker]

Tim Brown did an article for Record Collector getting on for 20 years ago - the list has barely changed apart from Danny Moore. He also put a wants list in Discoveries magazine roundabout then. Both of these are worth tracking down but until you see them, Manship's Million Dollars of Rare Soul is a great place to start. Remember, the rarest records have yet to be discovered in some cases. Some serious record-hounds like myself are sitting on the identities of potentially rare records and we are not about to disclose them. Go to Popsike and if there is just the one copy auctioned, it will be rare: two copies makes it particularly scarce etc. Get yourself a copy of Jeff Beckman's 'Soul Harmony Singles' and if the record you're considering isn't in there, it's probably rare. Finally, ask Butch if you can thumb through his Playbox or talk him into revealing a few cover-ups and listen to what he says...

[Quinvy]

  On 23/03/2014 at 16:21, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

Tim Brown did an article for Record Collector getting on for 20 years ago - the list has barely changed apart from Danny Moore. He also put a wants list in Discoveries magazine roundabout then. Both of these are worth tracking down but until you see them, Manship's Million Dollars of Rare Soul is a great place to start. Remember, the rarest records have yet to be discovered in some cases. Some serious record-hounds like myself are sitting on the identities of potentially rare records and we are not about to disclose them. Go to Popsike and if there is just the one copy auctioned, it will be rare: two copies makes it particularly scarce etc. Get yourself a copy of Jeff Beckman's 'Soul Harmony Singles' and if the record you're considering isn't in there, it's probably rare. Finally, ask Butch if you can thumb through his Playbox or talk him into revealing a few cover-ups and listen to what he says...

 

 

 Please don't do that. 

[Kev John]

I'll join in this 1 now how rare is

 

Cool Off - Detroit Executives on Green Palemine is it just rare or ultra rare ?

 

atb Kev 

[Chalky]

I've seen more copies of the Del Larks than Bobby Rich.

[Quinvy]

There's definitely been some copies of Bobby Rich turned up Chalky. Don't know how many, but it's gone through eBay a couple of times that I know of and I don't look on there anymore. There's one for sale on here, and they have all been minty.

[Guest]

yeah, according to a friend from carolina there are a few copies of bobby rich around. it ain't that rare imo....Max. a 1500$ record at mo

[Mick Boyle]

  On 23/03/2014 at 18:28, Kev John said:

I'll join in this 1 now how rare is

 

Cool Off - Detroit Executives on Green Palemine is it just rare or ultra rare ?

 

atb Kev 

Dont say that - I just sold one to me mate for £225 in stunning condition (apart from its standard press faults)

[MrsWoodsrules]

Which reminds me, wonder why Manship has taken off his 'Rarest of the Rare' part of his site?

Can't seem to see it anymore, I have all the data elsewhere, but it was nice to actually look at the label scans.

[Chalky]

  On 23/03/2014 at 18:45, Quinvy said:

There's definitely been some copies of Bobby Rich turned up Chalky. Don't know how many, but it's gone through eBay a couple of times that I know of and I don't look on there anymore. There's one for sale on here, and they have all been minty.

 

I agree some have turned up but I have still seen over the years more copies of the Del-Larks, both in collections and for sale.  More Bobby Rich will probably turn up, who knows.  Right now I think it is worth more than $1500.

[Tiberius]

  On 23/03/2014 at 16:21, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

.........Go to Popsike and if there is just the one copy auctioned, it will be rare: two copies makes it particularly scarce etc..........

I would be cautious with this approach as Popsike can be a little bit misleading.  Many ebay sales never show up on there for whatever reason, and some entries that were once on there have been bumped off over time.

[Cover-up]

The checking Popsike thing is flawed too, since I'd imagine some of the rarest of the rare records going through eBay will be totally unknown, so no doubt sell for five bucks or so. Or that might just be wildly optimistic on my part...

[Guest Juniorsoul]

  On 23/03/2014 at 18:35, chalky said:

I've seen more copies of the Del Larks than Bobby Rich.

I have Bobby Rich  My favourite tune! Just a fine arrangement of music!

 

Lets throw a spanner in the works 

 

Bernie Moore - Which Way To Turn.

Doesn't appear on Popsike!

[Guest Juniorsoul]

  On 23/03/2014 at 22:15, Juniorsoul said:

I have Bobby Rich  My favourite tune! Just a fine arrangement of music!

 

Lets throw a spanner in the works 

 

Bernie Moore - Which Way To Turn.

Doesn't appear on Popsike!

I stand corrected!

[Quinvy]

I love Bobby Rich and had a copy that had a long history of owners. And that's the point. It was a record that never turned up, but now seems to be far more prolific.

 

I agree with Dobber, it's a bloody nightmare owning rare records. You are constantly worrying about a box full turning up.

[Frankie Crocker]

  On 23/03/2014 at 21:46, tiberius said:

I would be cautious with this approach as Popsike can be a little bit misleading.  Many ebay sales never show up on there for whatever reason, and some entries that were once on there have been bumped off over time.

Fair points. Popsike is not the perfect database but it is starting point in establishing a record's scarcity. Check out Fortson and Scott for example.

[Tiberius]

  On 23/03/2014 at 22:29, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

Fair points. Popsike is not the perfect database but it is starting point in establishing a record's scarcity. Check out Fortson and Scott for example.

True enough.

[Larsc]

  On 23/03/2014 at 22:12, cover-up said:

The checking Popsike thing is flawed too, since I'd imagine some of the rarest of the rare records going through eBay will be totally unknown, so no doubt sell for five bucks or so. Or that might just be wildly optimistic on my part...

 

I might have bought one or two of those...

[Corbett80]

SOme of the new wave sounds are turning out to be pretty rare - Sag War Fare for example, and United Sounds.

[John Benson]

I seem to think 'Buy it now' items don't get picked up on Popsike either?

[Ncfc]

  On 23/03/2014 at 22:21, Quinvy said:

I love Bobby Rich and had a copy that had a long history of owners. And that's the point. It was a record that never turned up, but now seems to be far more prolific.

 

I agree with Dobber, it's a bloody nightmare owning rare records. You are constantly worrying about a box full turning up.

Or someone re issueing it.

[John A]

  On 24/03/2014 at 17:40, NCFC said:

Or someone re issueing it.

or turning into your road and seeing ya house has burnt down,,,,,,oh the worry

[Guest Labeat]

  On 24/03/2014 at 17:40, NCFC said:

Or someone re issueing it.

 

Well said Newport County

[Ncfc]

  On 24/03/2014 at 19:19, Labeat said:

Well said Newport County

Canary i'm afraid

[Speedlimit]

records are just black pieces of vinyl it shouldn't matter if they are rare or expensive you should buy them for the sound and yourself

as for how many copies of certain sounds who knows these days what was once rare ,these days seem to be loads of stuff turn up in quantity

so when all said and done none of them may be rare could be multipule copies of everything still to be found time will tell

Edited March 24, 2014 by speedlimit

[Dobber]

  On 24/03/2014 at 15:40, John Benson said:

I seem to think 'Buy it now' items don't get picked up on Popsike either?

i think they do...when you click on a record that is a popular tune that is say a £300 record,and it has a start bid of something close to that and showing 1 bid...i think that indicates it was a buy it now.

[Tiberius]

  On 26/03/2014 at 20:49, dobber said:

i think they do...when you click on a record that is a popular tune that is say a £300 record,and it has a start bid of something close to that and showing 1 bid...i think that indicates it was a buy it now.

Some do but at least as many don't in my experience.  I can find very few of the items I've bought as "buy it now".  ( Talking records $50 and up which should appear on popsike consistently. )