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I attended a Northern Soul night at the weekend, musically it was acceptable, but In an adjacent room, I was somewhat dismayed to find what can only be described as a small 'indoor market' selling a plethora of Northern Soul related items:

Various items of clothing, drinks coasters, mouse mats, bootlegs DVDs, bootleg vinyl, bootleg CDs of Kent LPs, more bootleg CDs, cloth patches, coffee mugs, gaudy looking slip mats and numerous other types of tacky 'KTF' and Wigan Casino goodies/crap.

 

Thankfully, I did notice that punters weren't exactly queuing up...

 

I guess that sometime soon, somebody will have the brass neck to openly sell illegal copies of Elaine Constantine's film. but we owe it to her and ourselves to resist buying them.

 

I know that what I found was not the norm, that most soul nights are not like what I have just described above and most promoters/venues would not knowingly accept the selling of such trash. 

 

I haven't dared look, but I would imagine that eBay is awash with the stuff anyway.

 

Maybe I'm just getting grumpy in my old age.

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The 'Faith' was sold years ago - the 'Northern Soul' scene has been sold out & being wrung out for its last few bob & has been for well over a decade & more & it actually started back

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I'm surprised nobody has come up with one of those magazines where over 23,876 weeks you can build up your own scale replica of the Casino.   ROD

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.....ah your'e all belittling these entrepreneurs...............but they'll be having the last laugh in a couple of years when the market for "soul power geriatric aids" (pat. pending) goes stratosphe

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Blimey, did you go in a Tardis or have they started it up again?   :lol:

Musically, it was largely a Tardis job - but of course it was sold as such. 

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These kind of Market Traders even popped up down the revival (Whitworth St) Wheel before it closed.

 

I guess it is what we have to expect from some "promoters" these days...... :(

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These indoor markets are nothing new, they were at the "old" Prestatyn too, a few years back. There have been a number of threads about the breadth of repro memorobilia doing the rounds, they were quite funny some of the things people found. I wouldn't mind if it was genuine 60s and 70s posters, dansettes, Russ's tea cup from Wigan etc etc.....but it's all "Made in China" and brand new.

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I'm surprised nobody has come up with one of those magazines where over 23,876 weeks you can build up your own scale replica of the Casino.

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LEGO have also missed a major trick there.....! Edited by Mace
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I'm surprised nobody has come up with one of those magazines where over 23,876 weeks you can build up your own scale replica of the Casino.

 

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wasn't there a cd or mayve a dvd or something with a free scale cardboard model that you make a few years back ?
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The 'Faith' was sold years ago - the 'Northern Soul' scene has been sold out & being wrung out for its last few bob & has been for well over a decade & more & it actually started back in the day.

 

Any self respecting real fan is long gone & takes this pastiche, masquerading as NS with a huge pinch of salt....

 

Do we care ?....nah, the real scene is still out there for those that want it, let the fakers, tourists & those that have raped n piledged it for everything its got crack on....when its on its knees financially with everything sucked out of it, they'll be gone again....

 

We will still be here tho, diggin, collecting, dancing & listening to fresh, exciting, soulful, dance music in clubs that take a little effort to find, with punters, DJ's n promoters who have some self respect & a love for SOUL MUSIC in its many forms...

 

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mouse mats?   :D

 

At Prestatyn you could buy tea pots, salt & pepper shaker sets, cutting boards, wind-up scooters, drinks coasters of pressings (as opposed to drinks coasters of originals!), I could go on but would run out of space!  There was also a shop that in addition to selling soul-related T-shirts had various non-soul related clothing like little girls party dresses...  All very odd IMO!

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The 'Faith' was sold years ago - the 'Northern Soul' scene has been sold out & being wrung out for its last few bob & has been for well over a decade & more & it actually started back in the day.

 

Any self respecting real fan is long gone & takes this pastiche, masquerading as NS with a huge pinch of salt....

 

Do we care ?....nah, the real scene is still out there for those that want it, let the fakers, tourists & those that have raped n piledged it for everything its got crack on....when its on its knees financially with everything sucked out of it, they'll be gone again....

 

We will still be here tho, diggin, collecting, dancing & listening to fresh, exciting, soulful, dance music in clubs that take a little effort to find, with punters, DJ's n promoters who have some self respect & a love for SOUL MUSIC in its many forms...

 

Russ

 

Russ I agree with everything you say but  I've heard you (and others) say many times "when the tourists have got bored gone and the last drop's been squeezed out" etc etc…. well there aint no sign of it happening anytime soon I'm sorry to say :(

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Hi Russ, good posting.... the scene just goes that little bit further underground.... but we'll keep the flag flying.... ATTENDING & SUPPORTING

A.T.B mate

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Yeah but you can have competitions to see who can find the most horrendous piece of tat. It's always worth just going looking for the laugh factor.

I think the Crown for that would sit nicely on the head of the Northern Soul Goliwog on sale as Prestatyn a few years back. Edited by Byrney
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Russ I agree with everything you say but  I've heard you (and others) say many times "when the tourists have got bored gone and the last drop's been squeezed out" etc etc…. well there aint no sign of it happening anytime soon I'm sorry to say :(

 

Ay up Steve, its not something that will effect me personally anyway, but give it time buddy...

 

Best Russ

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but give it time buddy...

 

Best Russ

As someone who bought his first record in 1958 (don't ask), "giving it time" is not the easiest way for me look at stuff these days...... :(  :yes:

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I'm surprised nobody has come up with one of those magazines where over 23,876 weeks you can build up your own scale replica of the Casino.

 

ROD

 

Post of the week Rod, made me physically laugh out loud and I scared some customers in the shop.  :thumbup:  :lol:

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wasn't there a cd or mayve a dvd or something with a free scale cardboard model that you make a few years back ?

 

My wife bought me this..yeah a c.d with pop up wigan casino....she was very pleased with herself..me not so pleased, but still she isn't in to it so could be excused. Few years back now. Prob still got it in the loft......Rob

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.....ah your'e all belittling these entrepreneurs...............but they'll be having the last laugh in a couple of years when the market for "soul power geriatric aids" (pat. pending) goes stratospheric with the detonation of the demographic time-bomb !

 

 ....."tenna ladys.......now also available in alto, bass and baritone"

 

..... stair-lift with bose sound surround system featuring NS juke box..."get up those dancers to the soundtrack of your dotage" (default setting plays curtis mayfield whilst ascending......and walter jackson whilst descending)

 

......"dancing zimmer frame - with pre-set automated dance styles.....simply remove your dentures and hang on for dear life whilst the "Torch-Trotter" (pat. pending) moves and grooves in your chosen dance-style.....spin/stomp/shuffle/acrobat*....(*no liability is admitted for personal injury sustained if performing backdrops on this device which must not be attempted without the prior attachment of the "north notts.(pat. pending)" safety roll-cage)" 

 

....."thought about planning your funeral yet?.........why not think outside the box....and have an all niter instead of a requiem....for our list of available graveyard shift DJ's look us up on Face-Sores"  :hypocrite:

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.....ah your'e all belittling these entrepreneurs...............but they'll be having the last laugh in a couple of years when the market for "soul power geriatric aids" (pat. pending) goes stratospheric with the detonation of the demographic time-bomb !

 

 ....."tenna ladys.......now also available in alto, bass and baritone"

 

..... stair-lift with bose sound surround system featuring NS juke box..."get up those dancers to the soundtrack of your dotage" (default setting plays curtis mayfield whilst ascending......and walter jackson whilst descending)

 

......"dancing zimmer frame - with pre-set automated dance styles.....simply remove your dentures and hang on for dear life whilst the "Torch-Trotter" (pat. pending) moves and grooves in your chosen dance-style.....spin/stomp/shuffle/acrobat*....(*no liability is admitted for personal injury sustained if performing backdrops on this device which must not be attempted without the prior attachment of the "north notts.(pat. pending)" safety roll-cage)" 

 

....."thought about planning your funeral yet?.........why not think outside the box....and have an all niter instead of a requiem....for our list of available graveyard shift DJ's look us up on Face-Sores"  :hypocrite:

 

Absolutely fantastic!!!   I want one of those stairlifts

 

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I'm surprised nobody has come up with one of those magazines where over 23,876 weeks you can build up your own scale replica of the Casino.

 

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I think its been done Rod :yes: 

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These indoor markets are nothing new, they were at the "old" Prestatyn too, a few years back..

Hi Steve. they have always been a feature of Prestatyn but this recent one was imho over the top, and where the stalls was set up in the record bar just seemed to be a bit to much. there was nothing wrong when they where set up in the bandit area :wicked: for the people that are into that sort of thing. just my opinion

 

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Hi Steve. they have always been a feature of Prestatyn but this recent one was imho over the top, and where the stalls was set up in the record bar just seemed to be a bit to much. there was nothing wrong when they where set up in the bandit area :wicked: for the people that are into that sort of thing. just my opinion

 

Steve

 

I've never been to Prestatyn, but I assume that you are referring to gaming machines :)

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With the film Northern Soul on the way ( which I will pay to go and see) I would think that things will get worse before they get better with people coming to give us a once over. but I am hoping that we can attract new blood with love for this great music of ours, Where not getting any younger Are we? Rod

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No way will a film attract young people forget them it ain't gonna happen!

You say that Tim, and I used to think similar, but I'm not so sure now. Driving round to my sons house yesterday and saw these 3 kids, probably 16/17. They were dressed awfully (in my mind) and just looked like they had no aims or directions. I immediately thought, maybe just maybe there is a chance that the youth of today could latch onto northern once again. The timing is right, high unemployment, dead end jobs (not trying to be political) maybe wanting a way to be part of something? I'm beginning to think that the film could spark a renaissance,  there are younger people seen dancing all over the place on facebook, maybe the film will be the catalyst. Whether that's a good or a bad thing isn't the point I'm making, just the possibility we may face an invasion soon :)

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The 'Faith' was sold years ago - the 'Northern Soul' scene has been sold out & being wrung out for its last few bob & has been for well over a decade & more & it actually started back in the day.

 

Any self respecting real fan is long gone & takes this pastiche, masquerading as NS with a huge pinch of salt....

 

Do we care ?....nah, the real scene is still out there for those that want it, let the fakers, tourists & those that have raped n piledged it for everything its got crack on....when its on its knees financially with everything sucked out of it, they'll be gone again....

 

We will still be here tho, diggin, collecting, dancing & listening to fresh, exciting, soulful, dance music in clubs that take a little effort to find, with punters, DJ's n promoters who have some self respect & a love for SOUL MUSIC in its many forms...

 

Russ

 

I love your positive approach Russ - Infectious!....Now go and sit next to Alison, and I'll take a photo of your smiles.

 

........Oh, and on your way out, could you turn the light out mate? :wink:

 

All the best,

 

Len :thumbsup:

 

P.s - Your post number 15..."It was a pop up Casino thing I think".......came across so 'dead pan' (being as I know you) it had me in stitches - It was all 'matter of fact' :D 

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Well Winnie just lately i have helped out a young friend with his night he asked me to play soul and reggae so i do a warm up spot and it's a free night and the youngsters just want banging fast beats but a few do like the old classics.there would need to be thousands to keep northern alive in the future all i see is a oldies revival scene at the moment. Plus decent real music is not fashionable

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We live In hope Toad, all I know is my lad came to love the music, He has a great collection of northern soul (not bootlegs),Ran a well respected Charity event for the last six years! Just by coming with me to Cala Gran in the 90 s. I would love to see more Youth out there. Winnie puts it down in print well.Rod

 

No way will a film attract young people forget them it ain't gonna happen!

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Dream on as those are into it will fade away when getting married etc just like before! Anyway the scene has been dumbed down and diluted for it to become a credible choice

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I love your positive approach Russ - Infectious!....Now go and sit next to Alison, and I'll take a photo of your smiles.

........Oh, and on your way out, could you turn the light out mate? :wink:

All the best,

Len :thumbsup:

P.s - Your post number 15..."It was a pop up Casino thing I think".......came across so 'dead pan' (being as I know you) it had me in stitches - It was all 'matter of fact' :D

:lol: :lol: Len, what are you like!! I'm not ALWAYS positive, I actually hate the majority of the scene at the moment, but just put up with it, & it does make me value more elements of the scene that still float my boat.

All the best chuck :thumbsup:

Ali x

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Who remembers Dave Evisons soul mugs? There was a period from the early eighties up until 87 or 88 when the tat became minimal.I then remember Dave Evisons soul mugs being sold in the back of Echoes.I think this was the Tats return.This stuff goes with the photoshop owls and hearts.There's even a Facebook patch now.... 20 years time.Yep was online that day that The Snake was posted.It was a great night on the keyboard.Ktf...Koko...Wtf!

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I'm surprised nobody has come up with one of those magazines where over 23,876 weeks you can build up your own scale replica of the Casino.

 

ROD

 

I bought all 23,876 issues and built the scale replica, only for the council to come and knock it down a week later.

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I've left the scale model of Russ Winstanley standing in the ruins.

Caught Russ trimming his nose hair in 76, so picked it up as I thought it might be an investment for the future... Not had a bid on e-bay, but did sell one of Richard's toe nails that broke off when I was bathing his feet Magdalene stylee :)

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dunno why the the chap who started this thread is so surprised,  its what, 50 year old scene? awash with allot of older folk; teenagers dont bother with that stuff, they are too busy getting wrecked and getting off with each other, but once your over 30 its fair game, you know this...

 

If you went to the States, they always have stuff like this, if you cant make money on the refreshments or the door, you sell the punters any old tat at the back of the room...

 

I do love that toilet roll Jess! tat that you wipe your bum with, what could be a better flagrant waste of money, actually I need a new Mouse Mat, no not to wipe me arse with... :elvis:

 

Malcolm

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