Hoagy Lands The Next In Line

[Guest mancityboy]

I have a copy of Hoagy Lands, The next in line on Laurie 3381.

I can't work out whether it is original or not. Some sites show the same image as my record as original and others show a different image. The only difference seems to be that my copy has no writing under the artist's name.

Any information would be appreciated

[Mal C]

By looking at those mate, the boot (styrene) on left, Real one on right..

 

M

[Sal]

Still got that in my box too....same label. Wouldn't have a clue whether it was original or not 

[ZootSuit]

By looking at those mate, the boot (styrene) on left, Real one on right..

 

M

Me, I'd have thought the bloody great star on the left hand copy said it all

[Guest mancityboy]

I have seen this copy on Popsike listed as the original and my copy on Raresoulie shown as the original. I am thinking of selling my copy and don't want to mislead.

[Mal C]

I have seen this copy on Popsike listed as the original and my copy on Raresoulie shown as the original. I am thinking of selling my copy and don't want to mislead.hoagy 3.jpg

thats an original... rare one on Laurie is the Demo.. they do come up but go for money. The boot is styrene from memory... check J. Titbits book, should be in there..

Edited February 8, 2014 by Mal C

[Peter99]

mancityboy, on 08 Feb 2014 - 4:22 PM, said:

I have seen this copy on Popsike listed as the original and my copy on Raresoulie shown as the original. I am thinking of selling my copy and don't want to mislead.hoagy 3.jpg

[Mick Holdsworth]

I have seen this copy on Popsike listed as the original and my copy on Raresoulie shown as the original. I am thinking of selling my copy and don't want to mislead.hoagy 3.jpg

 

Rightly or wrongly, whenever I get them, I always sell the moulded vinyl issues as boots / ressiues. I know the guides says that they are original, but compared to the vinyl demo the audio reproduction is very much lower. Also the stamped matrix on the demo becomes an etched matrix on the issue. (Unless this was common practice for Laurie to stamp the matrix for the demos, and then etch the matrix for the issues.)

 

Either way, original or not, simply because of the poor audio reproduction I am always glad to get shot of them. As I say, I list them as reissues to cover myself, so at the worst, someone has a bargain.

 

Cheers

Mick

[Guest mancityboy]

Me, I'd have thought the bloody great star on the left hand copy said it all

Sorry if I'm a bit slow. The star means what?

[Rick Cooper]

The styrene copies are 100% legitimate copies ,not illegal bootlegs, done by Laurie in the 70s .Laurie had a lot of their old titles such as The Chiffons and Dion and the Belmonts still available for US shops. Hoagy Lands and Dean Parrish were done for the UK. These should be fairly common compared to the original 60s vinyl copies.

Rick

[dthedrug]

 HI ALL...Demos have PROMOTIONAL COPY entwined with label design. if I remember correctly. as I have only a UK $tateside issue  DAVE K 

[ZootSuit]

To be fair, I don't know specifically, BUT, all the boots, so called 2nd issues etc etc ALL have stars on them, original

don't.

So if I saw that on ANY record I would take it to be a boot/reissue.

[Steve Plumb]

There is a very rare West Coast styrene original issue isn't there?

Don't have it meself (and only have a vinyl orig for sale  ) but i'm sure JM's book has the monarch delta number that is in the run out of the original styrene issue?
Haven't got it to hand but will check tomorrow

Cheers

Steve

[45cellar]

The DEMOs

 

Vinyl

 

 

www.popsike.com

 

WEST COAST Styrene

[Pete S]

I sell the vinyl one as original.  I wouldn't sell it as original if I had any doubts about being a reissue.  Because if it isn't original - where are all the 60's originals then?

[Robbk]

By looking at those mate, the boot (styrene) on left, Real one on right..

 

M

The one on the left looks real to me.  Mine looks like that, and I bought it when it was out.

[Steve Plumb]

West Coast styrene delta number is #65707

 

n.b. I also sell the vinyl as an original

 

Cheers

Steve

[Mal C]

The one on the left looks real to me.  Mine looks like that, and I bought it when it was out.

I think Ive made an assumption here Rob, as many do from the UK, basically because there are some many boots or 2nd Issues pressed for the 7ts northern scene..

 

From reading I think the general consensus is that there is a first press, in its various regional guises, then a re issue by Laurie in the early 7ts... have I got that right?

 

Malcolm

[Robbk]

I think Ive made an assumption here Rob, as many do from the UK, basically because there are some many boots or 2nd Issues pressed for the 7ts northern scene..

 

From reading I think the general consensus is that there is a first press, in its various regional guises, then a re issue by Laurie in the early 7ts... have I got that right?

 

Malcolm

Yes.  The 1970s 2nd press would be styrene and have a Delta # in the 100,000s.  The original West Coast styrene pressing was #65,700, as stated above.

[Tiberius]

Meant to post these earlier but anyway, for future reference, here are a couple of snaps of the West Coast styrene run out wax.

 

EDIT: They seem to pop up quite big in the browser window, sorry!

Edited April 5, 2014 by tiberius

[Swifty]

Meant to post these earlier but anyway, for future reference, here are a couple of snaps of the West Coast styrene run out wax.

HL1.JPGHL2.JPGHL3.JPG

 

EDIT: They seem to pop up quite big in the browser window, sorry!

Nice and clear scans Tiberius

[MotownDave]

dunno about anyone else , but I'd rather see big clear scans than small scan that you cannot make out what you are supposed to be looking at .. well done Tiberius they are nice and clear

[Souljer6]

 HI ALL...Demos have PROMOTIONAL COPY entwined with label design. if I remember correctly. as I have only a UK $tateside issue  DAVE K 

You've only got a Stateside issue! Surely you should have a Laurie original. I unfortunately have'nt got either but would be prepared to do you a favour , to buy the old Stateside copy off you and pay enough for you to buy the orig. How does that sound?

[Northern Soul Uk]

Can I ask advice on what you think this one is then please?
If you look at the right hand image on the original post which is deemed to be original, on mine the
print layout is different, and closer to the left hand image, but there are still differences there too?

Matrix in deadwax is 'U4KM-901-1C-A1A' and on the opposite side an 'R'.
Just interested as it is different to the ones already added.
Steve.

 

Edited April 5, 2014 by Northern Soul UK

[Dave West]

On 06/04/2014 at 00:00, Northern Soul Uk said:

Can I ask advice on what you think this one is then please?
If you look at the right hand image on the original post which is deemed to be original, on mine the
print layout is different, and closer to the left hand image, but there are still differences there too?

Matrix in deadwax is 'U4KM-901-1C-A1A' and on the opposite side an 'R'.
Just interested as it is different to the ones already added.
Steve.

 

That’s same as mine but is it real ? Certainly vinyl not styrene 

[Daved]

I'm getting a bit confused now. Mine has the star and U4KM-901-1C-A1A in the deadwax. Which one is it?

[Solidsoul]

1 hour ago, Daved said:

I'm getting a bit confused now. Mine has the star and U4KM-901-1C-A1A in the deadwax. Which one is it?

There are various originals and bootlegs. Some are vinyl and some styrene.

Your picture shows a styrene variant.     For this styrene copy to be original it needs the west coast monarch delta and number. So a triangle then the number 65707 scratched in the run out to be original.

The safest way to own an original of this record is the vinyl demo. With advance release written down both sides and machine stamped numbers in the run out.

 

[Mal C]

Hey Guys, just enjoy my lovely record, doesn't mater about the pressing :-)

[Graham Jarvis]

There are four  45 issues:

1) DJ Laurie 3381 1967 (original) stamped Number in run out groove Delta # 65707

2) Stk Laurie 3381 1967 Styrene Delta #  65707 (No Star) (original)

3) 7t's Vinyl Press  Laurie 3381 

4) 7t's Press  Laurie 3381 1972 Styrene Press "Black Star" on label left hand side.

 

Edited March 15, 2021 by Graham Jarvis

[Solidsoul]

2 hours ago, Graham Jarvis said:

There are four  45 issues:

1) DJ Laurie 3381 1967 (original) stamped Number in run out groove Delta # 65707

2) Stk Laurie 3381 1967 Styrene Delta #  65707 (No Star) (original)

3) 7t's Vinyl Press  Laurie 3381 

4) 7t's Press  Laurie 3381 1972 Styrene Press "Black Star" on label left hand side.

 

Yes and the original vinyl east coast Laurie demo with Advance Release written up the sides of the label. Machine stamped number in run out U4KM 0901-1.

 

Edited March 15, 2021 by Halogen

[The Yank]

There's also this strange "promo" pressing - 

 

[Douglaschip]

Think the promo pressing was about 1980 and is pretty poor sound quality.

[Solidsoul]

10 hours ago, The Yank said:

There's also this strange "promo" pressing - 

 

Yes a bootleg, that was made for Northern Soul demand in the Wigan Casino era.

[Dave West]

15 hours ago, Graham Jarvis said:

There are four  45 issues:

1) DJ Laurie 3381 1967 (original) stamped Number in run out groove Delta # 65707

2) Stk Laurie 3381 1967 Styrene Delta #  65707 (No Star) (original)

3) 7t's Vinyl Press  Laurie 3381 

4) 7t's Press  Laurie 3381 1972 Styrene Press "Black Star" on label left hand side.

 

So is number 3 a pressing or a 70’s reissue. I’m sure Manny has it as an original on his site 

[Graham Jarvis]

Yes I understand that the Vinyl 7T's press is a reissue copy,  from Manships guide the original Demo £150+ & Stk copies are well over £100, the 7T's Vinyl reissue is around £50 and the 1972 issue with the Black Star £20. The values sort of represent which one is which.

 

 

[Dave Pinch]

john has the vinyl copy down as an original in his last guide

Edited March 16, 2021 by Dave Pinch

[Dave Pinch]

12 minutes ago, Graham Jarvis said:

Yes I understand that the Vinyl 7T's press is a reissue copy,  from Manships guide the original Demo £150+ & Stk copies are well over £100, the 7T's Vinyl reissue is around £50 and the 1972 issue with the Black Star £20. The values sort of represent which one is which.

john has the vinyl copy down as an original in his guide... its just not rare at all tho

 

 

 

[Mal C]

I have that on (possible Vinyl 7T's press) Ive asked Hoagy and every time he looks at me in his picture I just Chill... lol shame though I thought that was an original

[Graham Jarvis]

I've had a few of them over the years not knowing they were not originals, shame that Hoagy never benefited from them.

[Seano]

8 hours ago, Halogen said:

Yes a bootleg, that was made for Northern Soul demand in the Wigan Casino era.

That was the version I got in a dodgy soul pack back in the 70s.

Mind you, in another pack, a bit later on I think, I got another Hoagy Lands on Spectrum with the fairly straightforward and punchy dancer 'Why didn't you let me know' and the pretty sublime 'Do you know what life is all about' on the other side. Well worth checking out.

[Graham Jarvis]

Yes two great records, my copy is on  UK Action 4605 1972

[Drew3]

On 06/04/2014 at 00:00, Northern Soul Uk said:

Can I ask advice on what you think this one is then please?
If you look at the right hand image on the original post which is deemed to be original, on mine the
print layout is different, and closer to the left hand image, but there are still differences there too?

Matrix in deadwax is 'U4KM-901-1C-A1A' and on the opposite side an 'R'.
Just interested as it is different to the ones already added.
Steve.

 

This was not answered clearly six years ago. What is this version with the scratched in matrix and the scratched in R please?

Regards.

Drew.

 

[Dave Pinch]

3 hours ago, Drew3 said:

This was not answered clearly six years ago. What is this version with the scratched in matrix and the scratched in R please?

Regards.

Drew.

 

its original according to manships last guide..tho a little lo-fi  and its not rare so only books at £50 

[Graham Jarvis]

No 3 of the list

[Solidsoul]

19 hours ago, Drew3 said:

This was not answered clearly six years ago. What is this version with the scratched in matrix and the scratched in R please?

Regards.

Drew.

 

I don't think anybody is quite sure! This vinyl issue has always been regarded as a bit suspect, because the run out letters and numbers are scratched in but the demo has the numbers and letters machine stamped in !

There is a proper vinyl issue with the numbers and letters machine stamped, like the demo.

Edited March 18, 2021 by Halogen

[Solidsoul]

16 hours ago, Dave Pinch said:

its original according to manships last guide..tho a little lo-fi  and its not rare so only books at £50 

I know someone who has a vinyl issue with the runout numbers machine stamped in, like the demo!       This must be the true original vinyl issue.

Edited March 18, 2021 by Halogen

[Drew3]

Thanks Dave and Graham but clearly two conflicting views above!!!

It was sold to me (not the copy in the scans) as an original by a seller on here and at the time I checked as many bits of info on the Net as I could including this thread and other threads on SS and I settled that it was a 60s original due to a number of views that this version is simply another original press/design.  Not suggesting I was sold something knowingly 'wrong' by the way as this is clearly one of those issues that there is/has been some mystery and confusion about over the years for many who have owned it.

Hay ho, can't win 'em all I suppose!!! 

Regards.

Drew.