Guest gaz thomas Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCjFwTxJAng Digging away before christmas, I saw this 45 on the dearborn label Apart from silky Hargraves 45, I have never seen or heard anything from this label I like this 45, Its a nice uplifting piece Its an atmospheric mid tempo instumental, but with that traditional northern soul flavour really pleasant record, the production is crisp and so detroit it could have a ford logo if you see it buy it, it will make you happy questions ! been played? where? who by? when? i think its a classy tune, and not one I ever heard when I was out I love soul instrumentals at 5 0 clock in the morning ! link to soulful Detroit - Ref Dearborn https://faac.us/adf/messages/16041/99471.html?1148223317
Chalky Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Pat Brady at Stafford, he may have played it elsewhere prior, Clifton Hall etc?
Bento Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 First heard this played at Yate, cannot remember who by, it was covered up as New World, turned to Dave Malloys mate Paul, who told me what it was straight away. Top boys. 2
jocko Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Late Wigan play for Tricky Dicky was it not, cannot remember c/u name, but that should help if anyone can?
Jerry Hipkiss Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Definite Yate and Wigan spin late 70's, favourite of mine at the time...can't remember it being covered up though, and Flynny doesn't show it on his comprehensive listing? 1
Guest MrC Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Definite Yate and Wigan spin late 70's, favourite of mine at the time...can't remember it being covered up though, and Flynny doesn't show it on his comprehensive listing? I checked there as well
Scal Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Well known in the early/mid 70's....one for the Detroit completists. It's been around for decades and even used to feature on club ads "come and hear sounds like".......... A bit pedestrian for the time compared to G. Davis & R. Tyler, Bari Track, Double Cookin', Rhino, Black Ship To Hell........ More Hot 'n' Heavy All Stars on Arc Lark than Frankie Loveman Crocker on Turbo! IMHO. 1
Autumnstoned Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Theodore / Coffey - same people who produced The Decisions - I Can't Forget About You? Presumably Dennis Coffey legendary Motown guitarist. Edited January 31, 2014 by autumnstoned
jocko Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Theodore / Coffey - same people who produced The Decisions - I Can't Forget About You? Presumably Dennis Coffey legendary Motown guitarist. It is, there used to be a great thread on the Soulful Detroit forum where they talk about their many productions and this record in particular if I remember. Not sure if that forums is still around, if it is I suspect you would love some of the musicians contributions on there.
jocko Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Definite Yate and Wigan spin late 70's, favourite of mine at the time...can't remember it being covered up though, and Flynny doesn't show it on his comprehensive listing? Maybe not, I may be getting confused with Peter Hamilton on Jamies, as I always remember Searling playing that covered up as Clouds after the Edinburgh all nighter at Wigan, maybe by then it wasn't Searling as I do remember both actually being played at Clouds, and unlikely for Searling to play two instrumentals in those days, this was 80/81 so maybe moved on by then/ As Chalky says Brady was playing it at least occasionally at Stafford, so it had some legs. One of those dreamy type instrumentals that shouldn't really work but did, and very well. Good memories.
jocko Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCjFwTxJAng Digging away before christmas, I saw this 45 on the dearborn label Apart from silky Hargraves 45, I have never seen or heard anything from this label I like this 45, Its a nice uplifting piece Its an atmospheric mid tempo instumental, but with that traditional northern soul flavour really pleasant record, the production is crisp and so detroit it could have a ford logo if you see it buy it, it will make you happy questions ! been played? where? who by? when? i think its a classy tune, and not one I ever heard when I was out I love soul instrumentals at 5 0 clock in the morning ! link to soulful Detroit - Ref Dearborn https://faac.us/adf/messages/16041/99471.html?1148223317 Whoops just seen this link to SDF, so assume it still exists, somewhere on here is a whole Coffey/Theodore thread where they discuss this.
jocko Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Is there a vocal to this ? On the thread I mention there, sure there is reference to a female vocal that was never released. Can't do an external search here as work sedates the hamsters so heavily it would take about 5 hours to return! 1
Scal Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 If you are really interested in what records and productions Dennis Coffey has been invoved with have a look at his book,"GUITARS, BARS AND MOTOWN SUPERSTARS" University OF mICHIGAN Press 2004.It's a good C.V.
Chalky Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 On the thread I mention there, sure there is reference to a female vocal that was never released. Can't do an external search here as work sedates the hamsters so heavily it would take about 5 hours to return! I found a topic on there were he says there was/is a vocal version, doesn't mention male or female and that he will ask Mike Theodore when he sees him. There is another topic with both answering conversations but no mention of this track yet.
Guest MrC Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 If you are really interested in what records and productions Dennis Coffey has been invoved with have a look at his book, "GUITARS, BARS AND MOTOWN SUPERSTARS" University OF mICHIGAN Press 2004. It's a good C.V. Or just check this out.... https://denniscoffeysite.com/discography/for-record-collectors/
Autumnstoned Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 It is, there used to be a great thread on the Soulful Detroit forum where they talk about their many productions and this record in particular if I remember. Not sure if that forums is still around, if it is I suspect you would love some of the musicians contributions on there. Thanks Jocko I'll take a look.
Jim Elliott Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 ..as Jock says, theres something of a dreamy quality about it. Always loved it.
Jim Elliott Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 ....cut at Golden World studios I seem to remember reading.
Chalky Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Nu People did the vocal version according to MT.... https://soulfuldetroit.com/archives/1/557.html?1019399514 1
John Benson Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Not being a big instrumental fan, I remember getting a tape from John Manship in the late 70's with this on. Can't say as I recall hearing it played at that time though, maybe it was just 'bubbling under' as they say?
Guest Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 Definite Yate and Wigan spin late 70's, favourite of mine at the time...can't remember it being covered up though, and Flynny doesn't show it on his comprehensive listing? I always associate it with Mr.Thorley at Yate as well...I liked it so much I even bought it as a stock copy at the time...looked so odd in amongst all the WDs! Never seen a cover name for it...but you never know!
Guest Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) I found a topic on there were he says there was/is a vocal version, doesn't mention male or female and that he will ask Mike Theodore when he sees him. There is another topic with both answering conversations but no mention of this track yet. I've got a soundfile of the vocal version somewhere...female led as I recall, but alas it is far from being a Northern Soul performance. The only other decent Soul track I've had on the label (apart from Silky.H) as most seem to be Polka style, is Lonnette's "Mind Intruder", which has a tremendous backing track, but the vocal production makes it more Pop...quick mention for the flipside, " Dnim Redurtni" (yes backwards!) which would also make a great instrumental, but alas has some occasional backwards playing vocal lines...big shame they didn't leave the vocals off (both sides). Edited February 1, 2014 by Flynny
Premium Stuff Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 I always associate it with Mr.Thorley at Yate as well...I liked it so much I even bought it as a stock copy at the time...looked so odd in amongst all the WDs! Never seen a cover name for it...but you never know! Mine's an issue too David. Quite a bit rarer than the demo I reckon and a thing of beauty - even in the clashing company sleeve.
Guest Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 Mine's an issue too David. Quite a bit rarer than the demo I reckon and a thing of beauty - even in the clashing company sleeve. Never fear, I got to replace it with a WD sooner rather than later 1
Guest MrC Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) Mike Theodore says there's definitely a vocal, although it was never released, Dennis Coffey remembers it too but doesn't have any kind of recording of it. Sorry Chalky, just seen your earlier post with that information. Edited February 2, 2014 by MrC
Guest gordon russell Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 not that it matters..........played well before YATE and STAFFORD....long long ago
Guest gaz thomas Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) Sorry its been a few days but had a big birthday weekend (not mine) and football today thanks fo all the replys guys! I get the vibe with this 45 (that rhymes if you say it fast) So it was played before my time of being out on the scene it appears. And not a massive hit then !!! although it sounds familiar to me I knew I didnt know it if you get me? But i knew it would have been picked up at some point in time as it has that great great northern soul feel My years of going out were probably 85 to early 90s Collecting is a different thing, but those are the years that put the seeds in for me. I would have remembered this 45 if it had been pushed at that time, but I somehow ended up with a copy recently, and I have really enjoyed listening to it loud. Note to Flynny I was not being rude when i didnt get right back to your post to ref. Johnny Copeland on jetstream the other week i meant to pm you to thank you, great 45 it was just a copy was on ebay on the local suave label on ebay, and i didnt want to make a sound cheap with very light surface wear, just how i like em, (5 dollars) coming to see about you ! cheers flynny, brilliant record Edited February 3, 2014 by gaz thomas
Guest gaz thomas Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) red wine post it was only a double one Edited February 3, 2014 by gaz thomas
Robbk Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 Yes, Soulful Detroit Forum still exists, but Ron Murphy, Joe Hunter, The Count and other members from the industry have died, other artists and producers and arrangers and songwriters have left, too ill or busy to post (Bob Babbitt, Clay McMurray), and others, like Bobby Eli have left to go elsewhere. Dennis Coffey, Spyder Turner, and a few others still post once in a while.
Jerry Hipkiss Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 Come to Daddy...:-) thanks to Wilxy, a nice W/D now in the box from last nights Soul Shuffle! Happy bunny!
Guest Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 I was not being rude when i didnt get right back to your post to ref. Johnny Copeland on jetstream the other week i meant to pm you to thank you, great 45 it was just a copy was on ebay on the local suave label on ebay, and i didnt want to make a sound cheap with very light surface wear, just how i like em, (5 dollars) coming to see about you ! cheers flynny, brilliant record No worries at all...glad you like/found it...superb tuneage! I recall the sound reproduction was slightly better on Jetstream, but not a lot in it and nothing to lose sleep over!
Guest Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Mike Theodore says there's definitely a vocal, although it was never released, Dennis Coffey remembers it too but doesn't have any kind of recording of it. As stated earlier, I have a soundfile of the vocal version...alas it isn't going to set the (Northern) world on fire! EDIT: Found it...but alas it is as weak as I initially recalled It is not by the NuPeople...that version remains lost, but my notes state that Theo-Coff auditioned several girls using this track/lyric also called, 'Lucky Day' Edited February 5, 2014 by Flynny 1
Agentsmith Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 really pleased there's a thread on this most unlikely of instrumentals to be classed amongst the very best on the northern scene. it's detroit and in the hands of coffey & theodore, oozes class. i have a mint issue in the original company sleeve which is also eye catching but it's what's in the groove that counts and i can't but help reaffirm my preferred phrase for this tune....had there ever been a 60's tv serial from the states to bear this name, it would have been "the american avengers"...maybe they would have auditioned jack lord to play steed's part!....either way it sounds like it could've been destined for something bigger and a vocal certainly would have given it extra emphasis...shame that the one that does exist is not up to dave's or our exacting standards.....think i'll give this a spin at prestatyn 1
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