hovis09 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) I was reading an old record collector the other day and it had a list of the top twenty most expensive records at that time(1991} and all the usual suspects were there FRANK WILSON, DENIS EDWARDS, INSPIRATIONS, JOHNNY HONEYCUTT, ETC all rated at over a £1000 back then but what caught my eye was DANNY MOORE SOMEBODY NEW rated at £1200 as there ever been a record that has fallen so much in value . or even one that has shot up so much in value Edited January 28, 2014 by hovis09 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Petebangor Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Royal Esquires - Ain't gonna run - Prix 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest sharmo 1 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Royal Esquires - Ain't gonna run - Prix I can concur with that one paid one and a half grand for it about five years before the big find. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russoul1 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I can concur with that one paid one and a half grand for it about five years before the big find. that's a nightmare, but for the 5 years you had it and played it out I bet it was £1500 well spent, still a great tune imo 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ernie Andrews Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 have my mates copy here he paid a grand for! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest sharmo 1 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 that's a nightmare, but for the 5 years you had it and played it out I bet it was £1500 well spent, still a great tune imo I'll tell you what no lie or leg pull it emptied the floor a few times , I played it at Prestatyn and it emptied the floor then I played the Ravins and got a totally empty floor . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Petebangor Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Frederick Hymes is another Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russoul1 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 does the dreamteam full under this category, also clara hardy? 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Geeselad Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) just wondered if the danny moore would even go today if found as new discovery? still love it myself, whatever the price, but its well out of place with the current sound imho. incidentally how many DM's actually turned up? I'm thinking just a couple of hundred, highlighting just how small a market NS actually is. Edited January 29, 2014 by geeselad 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 just wondered if the danny monday would even go today if found as new discovery? still love it myself, whatever the price, but its well out of place with the current sound imho. incidentally how many DM's actually turned up? I'm thinking just a couple of hundred, highlighting just how small a market NS actually is. Danny Moore rather than Danny Monday. Tracked down by a New Jersey sleuth and shipped in bulk to the Potteries. A few punters had their fingers burned on this one, myself included. Same partnership brokered the Dream Team on Gregory I think. Richie Rosen had quantity of Frederick Hymes III and was behind the flood of Reverend George Mortons, fingers burned again... On the plus side, it is good to see the trackers uncovering hoards of good records such as Four Tracks, Clara Hardy, Willie Pickett etc - the down side is paying too much for a copy in the hurry to be at the front of the queue. Trick is, get to know the dealers and their M.O. so the records can be sourced for a reasonable outlay. And if someone says 'this is the last copy', maybe think twice before handing over the cash. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wiggyflat Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Jesse Davis Hang On In There....a box load found and still being dripped out on ebay. 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Rimmer Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Danny Moore rather than Danny Monday. Tracked down by a New Jersey sleuth and shipped in bulk to the Potteries. A few punters had their fingers burned on this one, myself included. Same partnership brokered the Dream Team on Gregory I think. Richie Rosen had quantity of Frederick Hymes III and was behind the flood of Reverend George Mortons, fingers burned again... On the plus side, it is good to see the trackers uncovering hoards of good records such as Four Tracks, Clara Hardy, Willie Pickett etc - the down side is paying too much for a copy in the hurry to be at the front of the queue. Trick is, get to know the dealers and their M.O. so the records can be sourced for a reasonable outlay. And if someone says 'this is the last copy', maybe think twice before handing over the cash. I'm fairly sure Greg and Tim had no involvement in the Dream Team. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hi Hovis,search for Biggest Price Drop on here,Danny Moore gets mention - Spooky.!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 EJ CHANDLER-I CAN`T STAND TO LOSE YOU ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Boyle Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 joe vallentine has dropped in price and there one for sale in most boxes I sold a dreamteam to a guy in the states and he told me about his mate who had swapped two copies of Ruby Sherry for one dreamteam He wasn't a happy bunny Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Barry Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I can concur with that one paid one and a half grand for it. ...and I still think it's worth every penny. 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Geeselad Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Danny Moore rather than Danny Monday. Tracked down by a New Jersey sleuth and shipped in bulk to the Potteries. A few punters had their fingers burned on this one, myself included. Same partnership brokered the Dream Team on Gregory I think. Richie Rosen had quantity of Frederick Hymes III and was behind the flood of Reverend George Mortons, fingers burned again... On the plus side, it is good to see the trackers uncovering hoards of good records such as Four Tracks, Clara Hardy, Willie Pickett etc - the down side is paying too much for a copy in the hurry to be at the front of the queue. Trick is, get to know the dealers and their M.O. so the records can be sourced for a reasonable outlay. And if someone says 'this is the last copy', maybe think twice before handing over the cash. yep sorry, moore- somebody new- though danny monday is ironicaly tim's favorite tune! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jordirip Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Frederick Hymes is another Although this does seem to be creeping back up in value and desireability. 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark R Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Mind & Matter...... I remember someone fairly well know saying to me once "I paid £1,200 for mine and I ain't gonna see much of that back!" There's always a flip side to the coin......the "find" was great news for mortals like me! Cheers, Mark R 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jordirip Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Mind & Matter...... I remember someone fairly well know saying to me once "I paid £1,200 for mine and I ain't gonna see much of that back!" There's always a flip side to the coin......the "find" was great news for mortals like me! Cheers, Mark R Yes, i remember when I first heard the Codfather play this in Dudley last century, what a record, I never thought I'd own a copy, until the the batch was found and then it was possible. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Dream Team was Andy Rix & Rob Thomas (not sure about Rob's involvement). Lew Stanley ended up with all the stock in the end, but thats another story...Label owner ended up having pretty much the whole run. Russ 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 What about Betty Lloyd, crashed, but is gradually increasing in value again over the years... Russ 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark R Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Yes, i remember when I first heard the Codfather play this in Dudley last century, what a record, I never thought I'd own a copy, until the the batch was found and then it was possible. Makes the thread title a bit of a misnomer mate doesn't it? "Fall from grace" probably a bit strong and infers a new found inferiority!! We should be clear the thread is JUST about values, and not quality in the grooves. M&M would be as expensive as they come if price were based on tune quality alone! Cheers, Mark R Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Russ Vickers Posted January 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2014 If ya want 'hot' tunes to DJ with there's always an element of risk, but that's all part of the fun really, you know the score when ya buy, you just have to use your experience & knowledge to weigh up the risk...it also happens t'other way, when you buy records you love, which then some times increase in value....to me, its not about the value or rareity, its about how good the record is, sometimes theyre cheap & sometimes theyre not...its about wheelin n dealin n diggin with a lot of luck thrown in... Russ 7 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 What about Betty Lloyd, crashed, but is gradually increasing in value again over the years... Russ Anglo had so many Betty Lloyds that if you ordered something and it was out of stock, they'd put that in as a replacement and hope you'd keep it, I got one instead of a Jimmy Seals when JS was about £70, Betty came down to as low as £30 at one point, must be £200 again now. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mace Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Anglo had so many Betty Lloyds that if you ordered something and it was out of stock, they'd put that in as a replacement and hope you'd keep it, I got one instead of a Jimmy Seals when JS was about £70, Betty came down to as low as £30 at one point, must be £200 again now. £350+ now...... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 £350+ now...... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest MrC Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Anglo had so many Betty Lloyds that if you ordered something and it was out of stock, they'd put that in as a replacement and hope you'd keep it, I got one instead of a Jimmy Seals when JS was about £70, Betty came down to as low as £30 at one point, must be £200 again now. £350-£400 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Corbett80 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Although this does seem to be creeping back up in value and desireability. I've noticed this too mate. It's fecking brilliant which may (should) have a lot to do with it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest sharmo 1 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 joe vallentine has dropped in price and there one for sale in most boxes I sold a dreamteam to a guy in the states and he told me about his mate who had swapped two copies of Ruby Sherry for one dreamteam He wasn't a happy bunny Hi Mick the Joe Vallentines are just about gone now , that'll go up again you watch. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Polyvelts Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Although this does seem to be creeping back up in value and desireability. What did it peak at ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Boyle Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hi Mick the Joe Vallentines are just about gone now , that'll go up again you watch. Hi Sy You can buy mine then (only joking) I remember the worry when Montclairs -hey you and Greater Experience turned up in small quantities, but they soon shot up to there original value and higher Problem is when something is found in count boxes you never now if all the find is being put out there or drip feed to the eager punters. Panic sets in - and we all end up blaming you See ya soon MIck Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest sharmo 1 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hi Sy You can buy mine then (only joking) I remember the worry when Montclairs -hey you and Greater Experience turned up in small quantities, but they soon shot up to there original value and higher Problem is when something is found in count boxes you never now if all the find is being put out there or drip feed to the eager punters. Panic sets in - and we all end up blaming you See ya soon MIck give your sweet girl a peck on the nose from me , you Sir I will deal with when I see you . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jordirip Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 What did it peak at ? Whatever it started at. I first remember Henry Atkinson having it and it was a big, big rareity. Then when stock was found ithe price came down and down, and with the confusion and rumours of boots/re-presses, people seemed to lose confidence in the record. Now though, it seems to be be making a resurgence which I'm glad about as it's a killer tune. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I'm fairly sure Greg and Tim had no involvement in the Dream Team. Dave, thanks for the heads up - Russ confirms this. Dream Team was in every other sales box at one stage with speculators moving on multiple purchases. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Oxford Knights was a weird one, when the quantity turned up, it didnt seem to effect the price too much.... I have a theory on that one....I think that they had been around some years, I do not think that they had been done recently to rip people off, I think they were a repress from the original stampers done back in the day, but were never distributed/sold. My thoughts are this, one of the group members had a small quantity (in a wardrobe apparently ?), a prominent record dealer used to get 2 or 3 of these each year & drip them out (I know this to be true). Then another dealer, from the Beach scene, also discovered this source, he then completely flooded the market, which was when the scare started, & the rumours of a re press/boot started. I think the original dealer who found the copies, genuinly thought these were from the original press & sold them as such for some years, including to other dealers, when the rumours started, they were then retiscent to substantiate the rumour because they didnt want people to think they had deliberatly duped others. This is purely part speculation on my part, based on conversations I have had with people over the years since this occured, & is just a theory & may not be (exactly) how things happened. Russ 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wiggyflat Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Hi Mick the Joe Vallentines are just about gone now , that'll go up again you watch. They were going as low as £70 last year...I got one.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paultp Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I actually like bulk record finds, I'd never have a mint Danny Moore otherwise. Somebody found a box of tony Hestor - Just can't leave you demos and I bought one of those too, think it was $150 - absolutely mint. Wish I'd bought one of the Four Tracks on Mandingo, just love the tune, a couple of people bought two and sold the spare to pay for the first. Please keep digging and find a couple of boxes of Chico lamarr! 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest JIM BARRY Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I got burned with Danny Moore, paid £700 for it, even though John manship warned mein so many words. Then not long after I was offered the montclairs hey you , I gave Henry Atkinson a deposit of £25 then was told there was a big find, and told Henry to forget it and keep the deposit....funnily enough I had a oxford knights from butch snd made a good profit when I sold up. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I'll tell you what no lie or leg pull it emptied the floor a few times , I played it at Prestatyn and it emptied the floor then I played the Ravins and got a totally empty floor . If only they'd find the Ravins in the same quantities as the Royal Esquires. I can dream... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest sharmo 1 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 If only they'd find the Ravins in the same quantities as the Royal Esquires. I can dream... I don't think that would happen as I was told Dave Hamilton just had a few as give aways maybe Ady Croasdale or Gilly may know more . Happily I picked another up last year for 400 euros . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jordirip Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I got burned with Danny Moore, paid £700 for it, even though John manship warned mein so many words. Then not long after I was offered the montclairs hey you , I gave Henry Atkinson a deposit of £25 then was told there was a big find, and told Henry to forget it and keep the deposit....funnily enough I had a oxford knights from butch snd made a good profit when I sold up. I never knew there was a big find of Montclairs. I know it's not a real rareity because it was such a sizeable local hit, but I never knew of a quantity find. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest JIM BARRY Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) I only heard some turned up jordi....perhaps big find was over stating it.. Edited January 30, 2014 by JIM BARRY Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I never knew there was a big find of Montclairs. I know it's not a real rareity because it was such a sizeable local hit, but I never knew of a quantity find. Tony Tisovic of St Louis made the find back in the days of Goldmine and Discoveries. When I went to his house, he was down to his last two so I bought them at a hefty price. A few months later, Don Parker phoned up and offered me one. More popped up on major dealers' lists and in collectors' sales boxes so I sold the spare copy for what I bought it for. The stock came from the label owner's family, and having followed the saga quite closely, would estimate the haul to be at least one 25 count box but no more than two. There were no other good quality, good condition records at Tony's house despite there being box-loads - he still turns up the occasional record but the St Louis market has been cornered by another dealer who is letting out quantity finds in auction lists. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I got burned with Danny Moore, paid £700 for it, even though John manship warned mein so many words. Then not long after I was offered the montclairs hey you , I gave Henry Atkinson a deposit of £25 then was told there was a big find, and told Henry to forget it and keep the deposit....funnily enough I had a oxford knights from butch snd made a good profit when I sold up. Lew Stanley came up with the Oxford Knights. Fantastic record and muchos credit to Ion for bringing it to Londoners' attention. The stock was in pristine condition like it was pressed yesterday, prices duly fell but try finding one now... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Oxford Knights was a weird one, when the quantity turned up, it didnt seem to effect the price too much.... I have a theory on that one....I think that they had been around some years, I do not think that they had been done recently to rip people off, I think they were a repress from the original stampers done back in the day, but were never distributed/sold. My thoughts are this, one of the group members had a small quantity (in a wardrobe apparently ?), a prominent record dealer used to get 2 or 3 of these each year & drip them out (I know this to be true). Then another dealer, from the Beach scene, also discovered this source, he then completely flooded the market, which was when the scare started, & the rumours of a re press/boot started. I think the original dealer who found the copies, genuinly thought these were from the original press & sold them as such for some years, including to other dealers, when the rumours started, they were then retiscent to substantiate the rumour because they didnt want people to think they had deliberatly duped others. This is purely part speculation on my part, based on conversations I have had with people over the years since this occured, & is just a theory & may not be (exactly) how things happened. Russ Interesting conjecture Russ. Like your good self, I am somewhat baffled by this business. My shiny label copy sounds the same as any matt label, and as it is clearly stamped, I am fairly content, but you can't help feeling you paid too much for the record, brilliant though it is... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Lew Stanley came up with the Oxford Knights. Fantastic record and muchos credit to Ion for bringing it to Londoners' attention. The stock was in pristine condition like it was pressed yesterday, prices duly fell but try finding one now... I've been racking my brains to remember what Ion had the Oxford Knights covered up as, I'm in Baghdad right now & cant check the tape Ion gave me with this on to check...anyone ??? Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Danny Moore rather than Danny Monday. Tracked down by a New Jersey sleuth and shipped in bulk to the Potteries. A few punters had their fingers burned on this one, myself included. Same partnership brokered the Dream Team on Gregory I think. Richie Rosen had quantity of Frederick Hymes III and was behind the flood of Reverend George Mortons, fingers burned again... On the plus side, it is good to see the trackers uncovering hoards of good records such as Four Tracks, Clara Hardy, Willie Pickett etc - the down side is paying too much for a copy in the hurry to be at the front of the queue. Trick is, get to know the dealers and their M.O. so the records can be sourced for a reasonable outlay. And if someone says 'this is the last copy', maybe think twice before handing over the cash. i guess it's just a technicality because it's effectively the same, but the neither the four tracks, clara hardy, or willie pickett were "tracked". The four tracks and clara hardy were just uncovered by junkers and dumped on the market. The willie picketts were a result of funkyou's detroit operation hitting an old record store stock. So in none of these cases did someone track the producer, label owner, etc., it was just a case of bulk being found. 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest sharmo 1 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I've been racking my brains to remember what Ion had the Oxford Knights covered up as, I'm in Baghdad right now & cant check the tape Ion gave me with this on to check...anyone ??? Russ Keep your head down and stay safe out there Russ. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I've been racking my brains to remember what Ion had the Oxford Knights covered up as, I'm in Baghdad right now & cant check the tape Ion gave me with this on to check...anyone ??? Russ Bernard Williams? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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