Sebastian Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Does anyone know which of these 45's was released first? Ballads - Butterfly / Confessing The Feeling - MUSIC CITY 897 Ballads - Confessing A Feeling / Butterfli - BALJA 1001 Thanks in advance.
boba Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I think the music city releases are probably first. They had an earlier release on music city in '75 and butterfly came out also in '75. The first balja release "butterfli" on 1001 is from '75 and the second release wait / your love (1002) is from '76.
Triode Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Also on Venture Records(MGM) but with title change something like "I wish I could" great song that I used to play all the time, sounds very much like David Ruffin! to me, not got the disc handy but I think it was written by Leon Ware....a class tune!
boba Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 The venture record is an earlier recording of the same song. Sebastian is asking about identical recordings.
Sebastian Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 I think the music city releases are probably first. They had an earlier release on music city in '75 and butterfly came out also in '75. The first balja release "butterfli" on 1001 is from '75 and the second release wait / your love (1002) is from '76. Big thanks!
Ernie Andrews Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Taken of facebook by John Mnaship: 1975 Oakland vocal-group soulful dance, that is starting to get attention from the DJ's! two different releases MASTERED & PRESSED ON THE SAME DAY @ Monarch Recording Los Angeles and ironically two DIFFERENT mixes. For the vinyl-anoraks Music City (longer version) was the first off the press by what must have been just minutes...(consecutive delta numbers.. how strange)
Only Dreaming Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I've had the Venture release "wish I knew" for over 20 years and only recently heard this version and love it. Dave
Sebastian Posted January 24, 2014 Author Posted January 24, 2014 Taken of facebook by John Mnaship: 1975 Oakland vocal-group soulful dance, that is starting to get attention from the DJ's! two different releases MASTERED & PRESSED ON THE SAME DAY @ Monarch Recording Los Angeles and ironically two DIFFERENT mixes. For the vinyl-anoraks Music City (longer version) was the first off the press by what must have been just minutes...(consecutive delta numbers.. how strange) Big thanks for that info. Indeed very strange! Seems to have been planned for both Music City and Balja at the same time.
Dean Rudland Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Big thanks for that info. Indeed very strange! Seems to have been planned for both Music City and Balja at the same time. I hear that the band were more than a little surprised when it appeared on Music City. Suggesting it was done as a custom pressing by Ray Dobar, and he decided to take a little share for himself. Dean 1
Chalky Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Did the LP Ballads From The Ground Up ever get a release? The Balja release of Butterfli says from the album?
Only Dreaming Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 Are the mixes of both versions of Butterfly the same? Has anyone got both copies to compare? Thanks, Dave
Dave Pinch Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 they are exactly the same but the music city one is about 15 seconds longer i think Are the mixes of both versions of Butterfly the same? Has anyone got both copies to compare? Thanks, Dave 1
Tlscapital Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 Are the mixes of both versions of Butterfly the same? Has anyone got both copies to compare? Thanks, Dave Same take but different mixes and apparently matrixes are also different. Here are two sale posts with soundclips from actual records for sale. First on Music City and second on Balja. & 1
Only Dreaming Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 (edited) Thanks for all the replies lads. I listened to both samples and couldn't hear the difference. Just bought a copy on Balja. Thanks again for your help. Dave Edited June 28, 2014 by Only Dreaming
Mark B Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 Thanks for all the replies lads. I listened to both samples and couldn't hear the difference. Just bought a copy on Balja. Thanks again for your help. Dave I can't tell the difference either.
Chalky Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 There is no difference is there apart from the length? 1
Only Dreaming Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 That's about it Chalky. My Confusion came about as someone was claiming that the Music City release was a better mix. Cheers, Dave
Dave Pinch Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 That's about it Chalky. My Confusion came about as someone was claiming that the Music City release was a better mix. Cheers, Dave probably someone selling a copy as is usually the case
Chalky Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 i think craig moerer has stock of the balja 45 He has the music city one I think.... 1
Dave Pinch Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 He has the music city one I think.... yes you`re right chalks...just goin on what my mate told me.....he`d got the price wrong too..told me $30 there does seem to be a lot surfacing on either 70`s label at the moment...nice record tho only got the venture 45 which i prefer meself 3
Tlscapital Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) There is no difference is there apart from the length? There are differences real ; the wah-wah guitar beat is less dominant while the strings rule on the Music City and the singer is upfront with less echo overall than on the Balja wich IMHO sounds less bodied or rather empty like a "stereo" version. But all of that is maybe not so important for some. That wich I can understand, even if to me and some others it's somehow relevant even if not of the first importance like a matter of life or death. BTW, the real lengths are about the same according to the Youtube soundclips. Edited June 29, 2014 by tlscapital
Picky Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) Did the LP Ballads From The Ground Up ever get a release? The Balja release of Butterfli says from the album? I found the credit of their "The Ground Up" LP on the Balja single and sent a letter to the Balja label in 1977 asking if this LP has been released. Few weeks later, I received a reply letter from the Ballads directly and saying that the "The Ground Up" LP has not yet been released but they completed enough recordings to make the LP. then they asked me to buy those recordings in order to release their LP. Unfortunately, I did not have enough money to buy the recordings at the time. In late 70s, Japan Vivid Sound contacted me and said that they want to release their LP in Japan if I do not mind. Of course I did not mind at all and gave their address to the Vivid Sound. In 1980, their LP "Confessing The Feeling" was released by the Vivid Sound instead of "The Ground Up". Tracks of the LP are: SIDE-1 1.WAIT 2.WHERE WE GO FROM HERE 3.CONFESSING A FEELING 4.THREE TIMES 5.YOUR LOVE SIDE-2 1.DAMAGING 2.DON'T TOUCH THE DIAL 3.TRAET ME LIKE YOUR WOMAN 4.DIZZY WORLD 5.WHAT WILL BE, WILL BE In 2007, this LP was also released in a CD format from the Vivid Sound by adding "Baby, I'm For Real" on the Kimberly label and some unreleased tracks they made recordings in the 80 -90s, totally 16 tracks. Edited June 30, 2014 by picky
Ernie Andrews Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 Love - three times! Just wish they didn't have the live tracking in the background!
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